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Another option could be to complement the Aer Lingus Brussels service by increasing the frequency with services on the ATR72. Ditto for Paris.
Aer Lingus Regional certainly have a lot of options ex-Cork.
Aer Lingus Regional certainly have a lot of options ex-Cork.
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At a guess, the block times for ORK-BRU and ORK-CDG would be between 2 hours 15 and 2 hours 30 in an ATR - quite a bit longer than the ATR "sweet spot". So I don't think the economics work, not least because Aer Arann would be unable to get 8 sectors a day out of the aircraft so they'd only have 6 sectors worth of revenue from which to pay their new aircraft's leases. In choosing ATRs over Q400s Aer Arann made a clear decision that their core market out of Ireland would be UK only, not continental Europe.
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I can remember flying Cork-Paris in F50 with EI. It was well over the 2hr mark for the flight. I think EIR would have to have an attractive price regime in place for people to use it with that length of flight.
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If you matched the routes up well, you could squeeze in Paris and 3 other rotations in a day. You'd have to combine the aircraft with the shorter UK routes like Bristol and Birmingham. If Dublin came back, that could also work to get four rotations out.
It would leave EIR with little scope for absorbing delays, but that's nothing new to them.
It would leave EIR with little scope for absorbing delays, but that's nothing new to them.
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United on operating from Cork:
United ?Dreaming? of Non-Stop Dublin ? San Francisco - ITTN | Irish Travel Trade News Magazine
Do you have any plans to operate out of Cork Airport?
“That’s an interesting question and one that we have been talking about this week! There is certainly consumer interest, particularly from pharmaceutical companies in the Cork area, but the key question is how many new customers would it bring that are not already being well catered for out of Shannon? There is also the factor that US immigration and customs pre-clearance is not (yet) available at Cork, so all I will say is that Cork is not on top of our list for new services.”
“That’s an interesting question and one that we have been talking about this week! There is certainly consumer interest, particularly from pharmaceutical companies in the Cork area, but the key question is how many new customers would it bring that are not already being well catered for out of Shannon? There is also the factor that US immigration and customs pre-clearance is not (yet) available at Cork, so all I will say is that Cork is not on top of our list for new services.”
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So that more less rules T/A out of Cork all other carriers such as DL and EI know a Cork service would just take from Shannon. USPC isn't a problem not to operate a service for us based carriers.
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Not allowed read the news in work, but thanks for the info.
My wife works in a hospital, they regulary have the the fire brigade out at night for burnt toast/pizza etc but it never makes the news.
My wife works in a hospital, they regulary have the the fire brigade out at night for burnt toast/pizza etc but it never makes the news.
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they regulary have the the fire brigade out at night for burnt toast/pizza etc but it never makes the news.
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"DL are the least committed to Shannon these days. Their SNN seasonal 752 service to ORK which will see increased EI competition could become a year round service from ORK."
Could you elaborate please Copenhagen? How are DL least committed to SNN? What's meant by your second sentence?
Thanks.
Could you elaborate please Copenhagen? How are DL least committed to SNN? What's meant by your second sentence?
Thanks.
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UA operates year-round daily to EWR and summer only to ORD
EI planning year-round service on 757s to BOS and JFK
DL dropped winter a few years ago, and operates a summer seasonal service.
Perhaps DL would be willing to drop a summer seasonal route to SNN in favour of trying a year round ORK service to a slightly different catchment area.
I think that UA are best suited to a ORK service because of the strength of their EWR hub, which is larger than DLs hub in JFK.
US to PHL i believe misses the NYC point to point traffic.
I'd love to see EI try a JFK - ORK - AGP service on a 757. I think both routes would benefit each other.
EI planning year-round service on 757s to BOS and JFK
DL dropped winter a few years ago, and operates a summer seasonal service.
Perhaps DL would be willing to drop a summer seasonal route to SNN in favour of trying a year round ORK service to a slightly different catchment area.
I think that UA are best suited to a ORK service because of the strength of their EWR hub, which is larger than DLs hub in JFK.
US to PHL i believe misses the NYC point to point traffic.
I'd love to see EI try a JFK - ORK - AGP service on a 757. I think both routes would benefit each other.
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Was in Cork collecting people last night and it has changed a lot since I was last their, first time in the new terminal, last flew a few months before it opened in 2006. Must say I like the terminal. Are all aircraft stands in front of the building full at night, two FR's were parked to the side a little.
DL moving to Cork would have the same outcome, demand will still be weak in winter and yield will possibly be slightly better than SNN but not enough to keep it sustainable. EI going year round from SNN won't have a major capacity change as they will still reduce between Jan and March, I expect instead of keeping 2 B757 running to BOS and JFK daily they will drop to 1 for those 10 weeks or so as demand for B757 will still be weak.
UA operates year-round daily to EWR and summer only to ORD
EI planning year-round service on 757s to BOS and JFK
DL dropped winter a few years ago, and operates a summer seasonal service.
Perhaps DL would be willing to drop a summer seasonal route to SNN in favour of trying a year round ORK service to a slightly different catchment area.
I think that UA are best suited to a ORK service because of the strength of their EWR hub, which is larger than DLs hub in JFK.
US to PHL i believe misses the NYC point to point traffic.
I'd love to see EI try a JFK - ORK - AGP service on a 757. I think both routes would benefit each other.
EI planning year-round service on 757s to BOS and JFK
DL dropped winter a few years ago, and operates a summer seasonal service.
Perhaps DL would be willing to drop a summer seasonal route to SNN in favour of trying a year round ORK service to a slightly different catchment area.
I think that UA are best suited to a ORK service because of the strength of their EWR hub, which is larger than DLs hub in JFK.
US to PHL i believe misses the NYC point to point traffic.
I'd love to see EI try a JFK - ORK - AGP service on a 757. I think both routes would benefit each other.
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Was in Cork collecting people last night and it has changed a lot since I was last their, first time in the new terminal, last flew a few months before it opened in 2006. Must say I like the terminal. Are all aircraft stands in front of the building full at night, two FR's were parked to the side a little.
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Stands at Cork
Cork's ramp is now almost reaching pre recession levels of utilisation. Now only a stand or two from having to tell biz jets and once off charters to park in Kerry or Shannon as often happened during the last decade. It's a pity that they're owners in Dublin can't build a separate parking area for small biz jets, helicopters and light aircraft. There's ample room to the south of runway 25/07 for such a facility.
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That isn't a problem anymore, OCC are allocating Stands 1 through to 3 and 4 (when the Arkefly 737 is not based) for Large BizJet's i.e. the A319 that visits plus marshaller parking on Stands 19 through to 15 for Medium to Small BizJet's which provides space more than 10 aircraft. OCC keeps Stand 15 clear between 5am and 6am and between 7:30pm and 8:30pm for the FedEx/Air Contractors ATR42.