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Old 8th Mar 2013, 12:51
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Originally Posted by thebig C View Post
When Ryanair were allowed back in the door fairly recently many rolled their eyes in anticipation.....
In fairness, what would you have the airport do? Park snowploughs in front of the Ryanair planes to stop them moving? It's not about "allowing them in" - Ryanair don't need the airport's blessing.

As ryan2000 says, Ryanair didn't get any incentives from the airport for starting those routes - they paid the full published tariff, which they were prepared to do in order to drive Wizz off.

They may indeed now be saying to Cork, "give us a deal on these routes, or we'll stop them. If you want, we can stop them for 12 months and a day and then come back for free under the terms of your own incentive scheme, but you don't want that, do you?"
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Old 8th Mar 2013, 15:31
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12 months and a day and then come back for free under the terms of your own incentive scheme, but you don't want that, do you?"
That sort of carry on was stopped by the DAA in late 2008.
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Old 8th Mar 2013, 19:31
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The procession of arrival and departure of airlines at Cork has made me wonder what the revenue picture at Cork is really like. I know CSA and Malev were hardly the last word in financially stable airlines but it does seem that when times get tough ORK routes get the chop, none appear to be able to sustain any competition, even without competition when the incentives finish the routes seem to as well.

I would guess that ORK routes are fairly marginal -even in good times, only FR and EI have the brands to make it work. Their advertising is spread across all their routes from Cork, newcomers do not have this advantage. For non-based carriers it makes more sense to send aircraft elsewhere, where they don't have to battle FR's attempts to manipulate a price sensitive market. Why bother?
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Old 8th Mar 2013, 21:26
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Spot on Brian, in an almost post travel agent era, name recognition among the general public in the home market is vital. Unfortunately the overseas carriers do not have that in the Irish Market.

Cork has always struggled to support two carriers on routes other than London. The 2003/7 period when we had routes to the likes of Prague, Budapest, Bratislava and Berlin was almost surreal. I would still be optimistic that we can get back above 3 million once the economy improves but it looks as if that growth is going to be driven by Aerlingus and Ryanair for the forseeable future.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 23:50
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Just when one thought things could not get much worse for the future of Cork Airport, they have.

Aircoach now have a competitor on the overnight bus service from Cork to Dublin and Dublin Airport! The company is called GoBe which appears to be a joint venture arrangment between Bus Eireann and a Galway based company. Departures begin early every morning from the Bus Eireann bus station at Parnell Place at 0030; 0230; 0430; 0630; 0830; 1030; 1230; 1430; 1630 & 1830.

How long can Cork Airport continue to face this challenge without heamorraging thousands and thousands of more passengers?
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 23:58
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GoBe started it last September
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 07:59
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Yes, they offer Dublin Airport in 3.5 hours, on board toilets and free Wifi. All this for 25 return, I know loads of people who have used this service so Tom's point is spot on.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 09:08
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Actually GoBE is no longer 25, they put the prices up recently.

They're now 17 single if booked online and 27 return. Walk up prices are 20 single or 30 return with 10 services a day in each direction. (mostly every two hours)

Aircoach are 15 single booked online and 25 return, with walk-up 18 single and 28 return with 17 services a day in each direction (mostly every hour)
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 09:26
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Perhaps the best way for Cork Airport to counter it is to open negotiations for better services to Cork Airport.

Currently, it's served by a bus to the city centre, the Cork-Kinsale bus, which has it as a stop and the Citylink service from Galway.

No service to West Cork. No service to Killarney. No service to Waterford (where it is significantly competing for passengers with Dublin and where there are direct buses to Dublin Airport). No service to Fermoy, Mitchelstown, Cahir, Cashel or Clonmel.

From Waterford, it takes 3h 15m by public transport to Cork Airport and 2h 50m to Dublin Airport, despite the journey being 50km shorter.

While the airport can't force bus companies to start routes, it can encourage them. Presumably, this doesn't happen because of fear of losing parking revenue. In the longer term, if it reduces passenger numbers, it reduces the viability of air-routes and money is lost anyway.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 14:12
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Much as I would rather fly from Cork, I have taken the Aircoach four times over the winter to get a DUB-BCN flight. On the inward leg I go BCN-LHR-ORK but the return times are not convenient, hence the trek to DUB. At least in a couple of weeks the direct BCN-ORK is back.

You would have to think that there is a market for a few ORK-DUB flights on EI to connect to other EI flights from DUB. I would happily pay the extra for the convenience.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 19:28
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Aer Lingus CX in Cork

The Aer Lingus CX was in Cork Airport today. He was there as part of a business briefing to staff outlining last years results and plans going forward. To my knowledge he confirmed the B757 operations ex SNN, I wonder if the CAA local management met up with him and offered any incentives for a ORK to east coast USA start up. Or did they even know he was there ?
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 22:55
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There seems to be a lot of EI management from DUB around lately especially from inflight dept
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Old 15th Mar 2013, 00:26
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We could do with an exciting destination for winter 2013/14. If not the Big Apple then maybe somewhere like Copenhagen or Vienna. We don't all want to go to Lanzarote Mr.Mueller!

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Old 18th Mar 2013, 15:49
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FR908 and 909 ORK/STN have disappeared from the Ryanair site, any ideas why or are the aircraft gone elsewhere?
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Old 18th Mar 2013, 16:13
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FR908 and 909 ORK/STN have disappeared from the Ryanair site, any ideas why or are the aircraft gone elsewhere?
What are you on about?
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Old 18th Mar 2013, 16:20
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The following were previously part of the FR summer schedule:

FR908 STN-ORK 1340/1505 M---F-- 1hrs 25mins
FR909 ORK-STN 1530/1645 M---F-- 1hrs 15mins

They disappeared from the system in the last few days. I'm wondering are they cancelled and if so where has the aircraft been rerouted to?
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Old 18th Mar 2013, 16:39
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They disappeared from the system in the last few days. I'm wondering are they cancelled and if so where has the aircraft been rerouted to?
You'll notice its operated by a Stansted based aircraft and Ryanair are cutting some flights there.
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Old 20th Mar 2013, 17:08
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In tonight's Cork Evening Echo the Mayor of San Francisco who's on a visit to the City is reported to have called for direct flights from Cork to San Francisco. He'll have some wait if efforts to get an East Coast link are anything to go by!
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Old 20th Mar 2013, 17:11
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He will have a very long wait until the runway is extended to.
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Old 3rd Apr 2013, 11:39
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Arkefly will replace IWD with the charters in the summer.
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