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No matter what aircraft TK use they only accept bookings for the A320 so counting an A321 aircraft when an A320 is scheduled isn't correct.
Turkish are not Emirates so compare like with like. Take Emirates and Etihad. EK increase aircraft on DUB rotue and EY increased Freq on DUB route.
I TK were so intrested in Cork they would open a route if they felt it could work. The DAA are not going to stop an airline opening a route. They may of got an offer at DUB but at the end of the day if Cork was going to make them money they would open a route.
Lets say BA come to Cork in 2013, gives Aer Lingus the excuse to pull the 4 slots used at ORK and move to DUB. BA then leave Cork a year or two and Cork is left with no LHR service oh wait that will be the DAA's fault.
Reading today in the Irish Times that Wizz said there LF fell below 70 from 80 since the FR routes started so if anyone is driving airlines away from Cork its Ryanair and not the DAA.
Turkish are not Emirates so compare like with like. Take Emirates and Etihad. EK increase aircraft on DUB rotue and EY increased Freq on DUB route.
I TK were so intrested in Cork they would open a route if they felt it could work. The DAA are not going to stop an airline opening a route. They may of got an offer at DUB but at the end of the day if Cork was going to make them money they would open a route.
Lets say BA come to Cork in 2013, gives Aer Lingus the excuse to pull the 4 slots used at ORK and move to DUB. BA then leave Cork a year or two and Cork is left with no LHR service oh wait that will be the DAA's fault.
Reading today in the Irish Times that Wizz said there LF fell below 70 from 80 since the FR routes started so if anyone is driving airlines away from Cork its Ryanair and not the DAA.
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No matter what aircraft TK use they only accept bookings for the A320 so counting an A321 aircraft when an A320 is scheduled isn't correct.
why on earth would they undersell themselves by 27 seats? Where did you get that information anyhow.
I TK were so intrested in Cork they would open a route if they felt it could work. The DAA are not going to stop an airline opening a route. They may of got an offer at DUB but at the end of the day if Cork was going to make them money they would open a route.
Lets say BA come to Cork in 2013, gives Aer Lingus the excuse to pull the 4 slots used at ORK and move to DUB. BA then leave Cork a year or two and Cork is left with no LHR service.
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Meanwhile, back in the real world...
Can anyone point to one single source outside of the pprune cork bubble that ever suggested that TK ever planned to operate to, or even considered operating to Cork next summer?
TK already operate the largest short haul aircraft they have into Dublin - the A321, and Dublin does not merit a long haul - flat bed configuration wide body - they have other uses for the aircraft. Very few European cities see the TK widebodies. TK are attempting to build an EK competitive hub in Istanbul, through increasing frequencies to key cities - I can see DUB soon going twice daily to ensure shorter connection times.
Sadly, Ireland is down the priority ladder, and cork is even further down the ladder than Dublin is. I can see TK increasing the breath of services to UK regional airports first before even considering - never mind seriously - Cork.
At the end of the day, the name over the terminal building means nothing to an airline - the commercial realities of operating a long route to a recession riddled country come first - if you were TK would you go low risk and add extra capacity to a route that has demonstrated itself, or risk flying to a regional airport that has seen very mixed results on business and citybreak destinations over the past five years?
Sounds here like the DAA have the airlines wrapped around their fingers for Dublin- if so, where is KLM? Where is the daily LH to Munich or the twice daily Swiss? Where is the year round AA service? Where is Qatar? Where is SN Brussels, Where is LOT, Wizz, Czech, Tap, Alitalia, etc... In one breath, the DAA are deemed on this thread a useless organisation, and on the other, it seems that they considered so in touch with airlines and their plans that they can convince airlines to change destinations at the last moment, reversing strategy.
the DAA built Cork a fantastic new terminal - perhaps the finest regional airport in Europe - be grateful for that at least. (and yes, the same Beal Bochts on this thread continue to bleat about the cost of the terminal, and at the same time demand air bridges none of the airlines want!)
Can anyone point to one single source outside of the pprune cork bubble that ever suggested that TK ever planned to operate to, or even considered operating to Cork next summer?
TK already operate the largest short haul aircraft they have into Dublin - the A321, and Dublin does not merit a long haul - flat bed configuration wide body - they have other uses for the aircraft. Very few European cities see the TK widebodies. TK are attempting to build an EK competitive hub in Istanbul, through increasing frequencies to key cities - I can see DUB soon going twice daily to ensure shorter connection times.
Sadly, Ireland is down the priority ladder, and cork is even further down the ladder than Dublin is. I can see TK increasing the breath of services to UK regional airports first before even considering - never mind seriously - Cork.
At the end of the day, the name over the terminal building means nothing to an airline - the commercial realities of operating a long route to a recession riddled country come first - if you were TK would you go low risk and add extra capacity to a route that has demonstrated itself, or risk flying to a regional airport that has seen very mixed results on business and citybreak destinations over the past five years?
Sounds here like the DAA have the airlines wrapped around their fingers for Dublin- if so, where is KLM? Where is the daily LH to Munich or the twice daily Swiss? Where is the year round AA service? Where is Qatar? Where is SN Brussels, Where is LOT, Wizz, Czech, Tap, Alitalia, etc... In one breath, the DAA are deemed on this thread a useless organisation, and on the other, it seems that they considered so in touch with airlines and their plans that they can convince airlines to change destinations at the last moment, reversing strategy.
the DAA built Cork a fantastic new terminal - perhaps the finest regional airport in Europe - be grateful for that at least. (and yes, the same Beal Bochts on this thread continue to bleat about the cost of the terminal, and at the same time demand air bridges none of the airlines want!)
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The A320 is the base aircraft in the airbus short haul fleet - depending on sales, this is increased to an A321 - and they sell the A321 capacity - proof of that is the load factor.
A lot of European airlines do the same thing, including EI where necessary.
A lot of European airlines do the same thing, including EI where necessary.
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Can anyone point to one single source outside of the PPRuNe cork bubble that ever suggested that TK ever planned to operate to, or even considered operating to Cork next summer?
if so, where is KLM?
Where is the daily LH to Munich or the twice daily Swiss?
the DAA are deemed on this thread a useless organisation
the DAA built Cork a fantastic new terminal - perhaps the finest regional airport in Europe - be grateful for that at least.
The A320 is the base aircraft in the airbus short haul fleet - depending on sales, this is increased to an A321 - and they sell the A321 capacity - proof of that is the load factor.
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TK did an analysis of Cork's potential about two years ago and left it at that. One leading local travel agent was quoted as saying that the numbers out of Cork simply didn't stack up.
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The problem for TK is that with DUB already a successful station by adding additional flights they offer additional flexibility and connecting oppertunities by having a choice of arrival and departure times and, potentially, shorter connecting times too. This will help to drive both volume AND yield. By introducing a flight to Cork (or Belfast, for that matter) they loose the benefit of more attractive schedules and, potentially, dilute yield as passengers may just choose the cheaper departing point. There are alos additional costs with opening the station, advertising and promoting, operating two, as opposed to one airport in a country and so forth.
It is a shame, because TK is widening their network and offering ever more connection possibilities, but it is hard to see why new airlines would come to Cork when there is a strong history of being driven out by Harps or Shamrocks.
It is a shame, because TK is widening their network and offering ever more connection possibilities, but it is hard to see why new airlines would come to Cork when there is a strong history of being driven out by Harps or Shamrocks.
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That's blowing things way out of proportion, totally. If anything I could see BA operate a 2/3 daily service - Aer Lingus look more and more likely to be Star bound and their's good feed through Star at LHR. Why would Aer Lingus consider axing a route which they have operated since the early 60's and thus would be handing the traffic to BA? Aer Lingus are well up for competition and BA's entry to the Ireland market although I believe misguided now serves a purpose following Aer Lingus' recent developments - At least to BA.
Turkish Airlines have operated a B737-800 for the last few days on DUB route and have it schedued for the next few and there booking system is showing an A320 so they do not sell for larger aircraft.
I used the wrong aircraft type for my August figure forgot that they switched after that.
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Turkish sees transfer traffic from Dublin onto Pakistan and Nigeria:
The big leak: Which airports are on Turkish Airlines
Turkish are rapidly expanding, but I still imagine that Cork isn't so high on their radar...
The smaller new European airports they are looking at are the likes of Salzburg, Krakow, Seville, Valencia, Santiago de Compostela, Friedrichshafen, Malta, Luxembourg, Rotterdam...
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The big leak: Which airports are on Turkish Airlines
Turkish are rapidly expanding, but I still imagine that Cork isn't so high on their radar...
The smaller new European airports they are looking at are the likes of Salzburg, Krakow, Seville, Valencia, Santiago de Compostela, Friedrichshafen, Malta, Luxembourg, Rotterdam...
Luchtzak Aviation • View topic - New destinations from THY
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Ryan2000 - how can it be that Cork numbers didn't stack up for TK - didn't you know that its all down to the DAA, Shannon Airport, Irish Aviation Authority and the masons that it was stolen from Cork in favour of Dublin?
Jack, you seem to think that the DAA are a terrible organization - lucky for you that your CV was not accepted - what a break for you can I say.
Luxembourg, Salzburg and Friedrichshafen cover the immense Turkish diaspora in the greater German speaking area of mainland Europe. Valencia and Seville are all the size of Dublin - however with the loads to MAD and BCN being weak (Great article Charlie - good find!), perhaps these will wait. With Dublin having amongst the highest load factors, you can see why they would want to add extra frequencies there.
Oh, and Jack - you missed the second part of my comments on the new terminal
Jack, you seem to think that the DAA are a terrible organization - lucky for you that your CV was not accepted - what a break for you can I say.
Luxembourg, Salzburg and Friedrichshafen cover the immense Turkish diaspora in the greater German speaking area of mainland Europe. Valencia and Seville are all the size of Dublin - however with the loads to MAD and BCN being weak (Great article Charlie - good find!), perhaps these will wait. With Dublin having amongst the highest load factors, you can see why they would want to add extra frequencies there.
Oh, and Jack - you missed the second part of my comments on the new terminal
(and yes, the same Beal Bochts on this thread continue to bleat about the cost of the terminal, and at the same time demand air bridges none of the airlines want!)
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Cork Airport going for growth in 2013 according to this mornings Irish Examiner. Hard to see where it's going to come from with EI dropping Gatwick and Rome, no sign of Ryanair flights to Carcassone, La Rochelle , Bordeaux and Pisa and Wizzair dropping Wroclaw, Vilnius and Warsaw. So far Aer Arann haven't committed to anything beyond its core schedule and show no signs of adding the 3rd flight on Birmingham and Manchester which operated on some days during Summer 2012.
It's early days yet but I hope the airport management knows something the rest of us doesn't know know.
It's early days yet but I hope the airport management knows something the rest of us doesn't know know.
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Perhaps they will add these routes shortly particularly as they're unlikely to begin before June. Otherwise the airport press release is based on wishful thinking. It's very hard to quantify the numbers travelling for the so called Gathering.
There's a tendancy to hype these things up in the media and I'm not at all sure if Cork will have the direct access and capacity needed to benefit from it even if it does lead to an influx of exiles.
Services from the likes of Lanzarote, Faro and Malaga and other bucket and spade routes will be useless when it comes to catering for these people.
There's a tendancy to hype these things up in the media and I'm not at all sure if Cork will have the direct access and capacity needed to benefit from it even if it does lead to an influx of exiles.
Services from the likes of Lanzarote, Faro and Malaga and other bucket and spade routes will be useless when it comes to catering for these people.
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Airport predicts rise in pax next year
Airport predicts rise in passengers next year | Irish Examiner
Airport predicts rise in passengers next year | Irish Examiner
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Transavia starting a charter to Salzburg tomorrow using s B737-700 replacing Aer Lingus charter last year.
Aer Lingus service to Geneva now being operated by Cork aircraft.
Aer Lingus service to Geneva now being operated by Cork aircraft.
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Aerlingus draft Summer schedule as it presently stands requires 5 A320's to operate it.
The timings of Brussels and Lisbon changed last week. Could that be throwing you? Maybe other timings on other routes will also change soon, but I'm not expecting a 5th aircraft.