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Ryanair have released the Easten Europe routes next summer.
Any chance Wizz may appear in SNN, FR have made it quiet clear there position on the split from DAA so it could be good for Wizz if they did.
Any chance Wizz may appear in SNN, FR have made it quiet clear there position on the split from DAA so it could be good for Wizz if they did.
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Any chance Wizz may appear in SNN, FR have made it quiet clear there position on the split from DAA so it could be good for Wizz if they did.
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Jack, the Poland market at SNN is far from saturated. Only 2x weekly to Wroclaw at the moment. Good opportunity for SAA here.
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Gdansk and Katowice were operated by Centralwings who folded in '09, they also flew to Warsaw, Ryanair went to Krakow and Lodz, so little to do with Wizz in reality.
You can expect a significant reduction in Ryanair's ORK-Poland now that Wizz are gone.
You can expect a significant reduction in Ryanair's ORK-Poland now that Wizz are gone.
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Gdansk and Katowice were operated by Centralwings who folded in '09, they also flew to Warsaw, Ryanair went to Krakow and Lodz, so little to do with Wizz in reality.
This is why when Wizz are ending these routes and most probably eventually pull out of the ROI they wont be looking at Shannon.
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Rapidly moving to a situation where practically every scheduled flight at Cork Airport will have a Harp or Shamrock on the tail. Big change from the mid 2000's when Cork had a portfolio of airlines with no real dominant carrier.
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Rapidly moving to a situation where practically every scheduled flight at Cork Airport will have a Harp or Shamrock on the tail.
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Yes, it is very difficult not to be pessimistic about Cork Airport's future in the short to medium term. It is coming to the point where to get on at all Cork will have to look at business outside the European Union and European free trade areas to counter the dangers from the DAA, Ryanair and now, a semi free snn as well! What hope does Cork have in view of all the above?
Cargo?
Corporate?
Medium to long haul to the east or west? Fat chance, the greedy guts at Fortress Dublin would want to remove any Cork possibility there not to mention the threat from Shannon as well?
Cork is banjaxed? It will really be a car showroom if this tale of woe continues.
Cargo?
Corporate?
Medium to long haul to the east or west? Fat chance, the greedy guts at Fortress Dublin would want to remove any Cork possibility there not to mention the threat from Shannon as well?
Cork is banjaxed? It will really be a car showroom if this tale of woe continues.
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Unfortunately this is the case, something needs to be done sharpish about attracting other airlines. The elephants in the room to this though as ever predictable are the Government (the DAA) and Ryanair.
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If you're looking to encourage new carriers, you're going to have to offer even more protection than at present.
While Ryanair pay full commercial charges and Wizzair pay reduced ones, that clearly hasn't discouraged Ryanair from jumping on their routes. So you're going to have to impose higher charges if someone launches on an existing route (esp if it's launched in the last 5-8 years). This wouldn't actually be illegal if transparently and consistently applied.
While Ryanair pay full commercial charges and Wizzair pay reduced ones, that clearly hasn't discouraged Ryanair from jumping on their routes. So you're going to have to impose higher charges if someone launches on an existing route (esp if it's launched in the last 5-8 years). This wouldn't actually be illegal if transparently and consistently applied.
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Maybe it's time to end the Free for all on routes within the EU. It's fine to have multiple carriers between major Cities but airports like Cork and Shannon cannot support two carriers to places like Vilnius and Wroclaw. Instead of promoting competition the policy is effectively giving us an old style monopoly!
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The Gdansk and Katowice routes ex-Shannon flopped because the successful Wizz operation on those routes at Cork, most definitely. There is a much larger catchment of Poles nearer to Cork, so I think it had a lot to do with the market preferring to fly from Cork.
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What can be done if airlines were offered zero charges at Cork to open new routes I can't see it having a major affect although Ryanair would be delighted but Aer Lingus would not open a single route. Its not the Gov or Airport operator's fault to an extent they can't foce carriers to fly there unless they decide to pay them.
With comical statements like that you should considering offering your advice to the industry
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I'm sure TK decision to increase capacity on DUB route next summer has nothing to do with the route having a LF of around 90% If TK felt there was real demand to operate a 3 weekly ORK service they would, they are getting no discount at DUB for the extra flights.
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I have been thinking a bit about Jack85's post over lunch!
You know, the Turkish story is quite interesting from a Cork point of view. Turkish has a pretty diverse fleet of aircraft from Boeing 737-700/800/900ERs and other narrow body Airbus A319/320 & 321. They have A330s, A340s & Boeing 777s.
Now, if they were so keen on increasing capacity on Istanbul - Dublin they could easily replaced a smaller narrowbody with either A321 or 737-900ER or they could have really upped the ante all together with an A330? Would this have been easier for them rather than increasing frequency? For the past year the departure time ex Dublin has been later morning/early afternoon which is, on the whole, a rather ideal time?
I wonder how much work was done to try and get Turkish to Cork and if it was anyway encouraging could the Fort Dublin crowd have muscled to make certain it went in a more favourable direction from that point of view?
My head is away too fried to be going down the conspiracy road but I wonder what sort of deal has been done to get the extra Turkish services into Dublin? It is, after all, an all ready existing route from Istanbul to Dublin so how could it be a better deal than what Cork may be able to offer?
You know, the Turkish story is quite interesting from a Cork point of view. Turkish has a pretty diverse fleet of aircraft from Boeing 737-700/800/900ERs and other narrow body Airbus A319/320 & 321. They have A330s, A340s & Boeing 777s.
Now, if they were so keen on increasing capacity on Istanbul - Dublin they could easily replaced a smaller narrowbody with either A321 or 737-900ER or they could have really upped the ante all together with an A330? Would this have been easier for them rather than increasing frequency? For the past year the departure time ex Dublin has been later morning/early afternoon which is, on the whole, a rather ideal time?
I wonder how much work was done to try and get Turkish to Cork and if it was anyway encouraging could the Fort Dublin crowd have muscled to make certain it went in a more favourable direction from that point of view?
My head is away too fried to be going down the conspiracy road but I wonder what sort of deal has been done to get the extra Turkish services into Dublin? It is, after all, an all ready existing route from Istanbul to Dublin so how could it be a better deal than what Cork may be able to offer?
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You could say why are they increasing freq on BHX route and not using a larger aircraft. Would say its down to connections at different times of the day, having 10 weekly allows more flexibility for the passenger. They dropped Business class on DUB route a few months ago so that Economy could be increased. The 737-8, 737-9 have less Y seats than the A320. The A321 have more Y seats than the A320 but it alos has 10 Business class ones which is why its not used.
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I'm sure TK decision to increase capacity on DUB route next summer has nothing to do with the route having a LF of around 90% If TK felt there was real demand to operate a 3 weekly ORK service they would, they are getting no discount at DUB for the extra flights.
Business' in Cork particularly the MNC's are not happy with the choice of destinations ex-Cork, this needs to change. The route network when compared with 2007-2008 has changed quite a bit those routes should be pressed on with focus on hub routes also. I see no reason why BA, Lufthansa or Turkish couldn't operate from Cork the entity in the way is the DAA maybe leave out BA and to a lesser extent Lufthansa.
Just wanted to say also going by the recent trends at Aer Lingus - Supporting Virgin's plan for competition with BA ex-Heathrow and Aer Lingus taking on BA on the Belfast City-Heathrow route and with BA re-launching Dublin I wouldn't be too surprised to hear an announcement in 2013.