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Completely agree with your comments turas. Up until Ryanair and Aer Arann cancelled their services, I used fly to Cork via Dublin. Nowadays, even though I prefer traveling by train to Cork, its actually quicker using the bus from Dublin airport to Cork.
The decision by Dublin bus to withdraw their 748 direct service to Heuston station via the port tunnel to a more indirect route on their 747 service makes travel from Dublin airport to Cork by rail a longer journey time than by coach on a superb new motorway.
The decision by Dublin bus to withdraw their 748 direct service to Heuston station via the port tunnel to a more indirect route on their 747 service makes travel from Dublin airport to Cork by rail a longer journey time than by coach on a superb new motorway.
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FCO usually seems to have decent enough yields. Under threat must be anywhere where FR are competing (although yields to Malaga and Faro seem to have held up) and Lisbon, which always seems to be cheap. Have any tour operators put packages to the Lisbon area on sale yet? Of course, we've already lost Gatwick by EI, so that might be included.
Regarding access to Dublin Airport if money isn't a worry, train and taxi is probably the choice, especially if train times improve. But as has been noted, the ridiculous route of the 747 (it even loops round on itself near Busáras) tends to make one of the direct bus services preferable to this. I do find the train to Dublin more reliable though and would always add 30 mins to the estimated arrival time for a bus.
Regarding access to Dublin Airport if money isn't a worry, train and taxi is probably the choice, especially if train times improve. But as has been noted, the ridiculous route of the 747 (it even loops round on itself near Busáras) tends to make one of the direct bus services preferable to this. I do find the train to Dublin more reliable though and would always add 30 mins to the estimated arrival time for a bus.
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2 routes I have heard which are to be axed exclude Gatwick which is to be axed this Saturday. Many including myself will be shocked by the announcement. All I can say is yields must have been pretty bad. I think I'll wait until a statement is made before I say any more.
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I could see why FCO being dropped but BRU is a shocker. Thats almost a days flying on a Monday and Friday dropped with a gap on Wednesday and Sunday. Will they add something or could they be planning on dropping the base to 3 a/c wih further routes closed.
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CDG will surely stay. Brussells appeared to be doing well. Somewhat surprised to see it go but it's very close to Schiphol. Frankfurt was their preferred choice last year so if they've got good slots, I wouldn't be surprised if they run with it.
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Well, let us hope it happens now this time - after all, where else in Europe can one see plurality of 787s and A380s only at Frankfurt! Cork cant get Boston or New York so hopefully Frankfurt should do instead!
Wear the green jersey as the FFers would say and get EI to fly to Frankfurt and get at least a few rich Germans to spend a few Euro in the Cork area!
Heathrow by BA would be just swell too but the UK APD tax sure would put me off from connecting through that gateway - it is bad enough paying so many new taxes in Ireland without contributing large sums to the UK exchequor as well!
That is where the likes of Frankfurt and Amsterdam would score - in the case of Frankfurt depending on the kind of marketing they guys at the CAA can dream up!
Wear the green jersey as the FFers would say and get EI to fly to Frankfurt and get at least a few rich Germans to spend a few Euro in the Cork area!
Heathrow by BA would be just swell too but the UK APD tax sure would put me off from connecting through that gateway - it is bad enough paying so many new taxes in Ireland without contributing large sums to the UK exchequor as well!
That is where the likes of Frankfurt and Amsterdam would score - in the case of Frankfurt depending on the kind of marketing they guys at the CAA can dream up!
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Thanks for that Bluski. So, no Frankfurt by Lufthansa to Cork unless Aer Lingus drops some other all ready existing route to take up the FRA challenge.
An interesting week. The DAA announce yet another competitor on the New York to Dublin service in the guise of the American Airlines 757 beginning next June. It will then be no less than four different airlines on the New York to Dublin route.
Cork cant even get a two a week out of all that in summer peak but then again it cant get anything else either - a list should be compiled of all the routes Cork cant get. I will get the ball rolling with the usual suspects:-
Prague (a former very successful route in both directions by Czech Airlines until EI helped wreck it?;
Budapest; (had some good high yielding connection traffic from Budapest with Malev, RIP).
Bratislava (low yield but very good loads from Sky Europe, RIP);
Brest or Nantes if only seasonal;
Cologne (Bonn) - cant understand why this has not been tried down the years as Cork is twinned with Cologne;
Copenhagen or Stockholm in Scandinavia (three airlines on Dublin Stockholm);
Istanbul, (from zero to 10 a week in two years next summer from Dublin). Lot of Asian folk living in the Cork area with most of Asia now or about to be on the Turkish long haul network, cf large TK order this week for more 777s;
Zurich (was a scheduled route from Cork more than twenty years ago!)
A Nigerian destination might be a goer if the runway was okay. Good numbers of Nigerian ex pats now living in the Cork area.
So, carry on now with some other routes that Cork Airport cant get!
An interesting week. The DAA announce yet another competitor on the New York to Dublin service in the guise of the American Airlines 757 beginning next June. It will then be no less than four different airlines on the New York to Dublin route.
Cork cant even get a two a week out of all that in summer peak but then again it cant get anything else either - a list should be compiled of all the routes Cork cant get. I will get the ball rolling with the usual suspects:-
Prague (a former very successful route in both directions by Czech Airlines until EI helped wreck it?;
Budapest; (had some good high yielding connection traffic from Budapest with Malev, RIP).
Bratislava (low yield but very good loads from Sky Europe, RIP);
Brest or Nantes if only seasonal;
Cologne (Bonn) - cant understand why this has not been tried down the years as Cork is twinned with Cologne;
Copenhagen or Stockholm in Scandinavia (three airlines on Dublin Stockholm);
Istanbul, (from zero to 10 a week in two years next summer from Dublin). Lot of Asian folk living in the Cork area with most of Asia now or about to be on the Turkish long haul network, cf large TK order this week for more 777s;
Zurich (was a scheduled route from Cork more than twenty years ago!)
A Nigerian destination might be a goer if the runway was okay. Good numbers of Nigerian ex pats now living in the Cork area.
So, carry on now with some other routes that Cork Airport cant get!
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Many of these European routes might work if the Economy starts growing again but as of now, airlines will play safe and concentrate on expanding from Dublin. There's also the danger of flooding the market if too many marginal routes start that are in relatively close proximity to each other.
In 2003/4 Czech airlines operated the only route from Cork to Central Europe and were doing well. Then indirect competition began to Budapest, Krakow, Berlin and Katowice and the rest is history. To a lesser extent Sky Europe low cost service to Bratislava put Malev under pressure on Budapest.
Of course the Ryanair v Wizzair battle is about to begin on routes to Poland and Lithuania.
In 2003/4 Czech airlines operated the only route from Cork to Central Europe and were doing well. Then indirect competition began to Budapest, Krakow, Berlin and Katowice and the rest is history. To a lesser extent Sky Europe low cost service to Bratislava put Malev under pressure on Budapest.
Of course the Ryanair v Wizzair battle is about to begin on routes to Poland and Lithuania.
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Aer Lingus 2013
Just informed that Brussels will continue to operate and will be bookable by 4pm, it was removed from the booking engine because of miscommunication about slots at Brussels. Rome is finishing Nov 2nd. So it looks like a new Aer Lingus route for Cork is on the way for 2013 which will operate on Mondays and Fridays. Pity however that we are losing Rome.
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I was around the place for a while this morning and saw the last EI814 take off back to Gatwick?
What is the story - is EI Gatwick gone completely now leaving the whole market to Ryanair or is Gatwick due to return next year for the summer schedule?
To mark the start of the Cork Jazz Festival this weekend there was a jazz singer called The Loungeman at arrivals this morning for the EI841 from Amsterdam singing along to his backing tracks. His voice is quite pleasing and as I am known as TtT I know a little about these things!
(As an aside I understand yesterday's EI844 and this morning's EI841 were both jammed - not a seat to be had!) A lot of carry on luggage ended up in the hold.
How bad!
What is the story - is EI Gatwick gone completely now leaving the whole market to Ryanair or is Gatwick due to return next year for the summer schedule?
To mark the start of the Cork Jazz Festival this weekend there was a jazz singer called The Loungeman at arrivals this morning for the EI841 from Amsterdam singing along to his backing tracks. His voice is quite pleasing and as I am known as TtT I know a little about these things!
(As an aside I understand yesterday's EI844 and this morning's EI841 were both jammed - not a seat to be had!) A lot of carry on luggage ended up in the hold.
How bad!
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I presume EI are completely withdrawing from Gatwick. What odds on them going to Izmir instead of Rome and putting pressure on the Charters in the process. Airports should stop welcoming new routes that are at the expense of existing ones. It gives the impression that an airline is expanding when they're really just stagnant if not contracting.,
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I went to Brussels on the 846 on Monday, had a very decent load, about 80% I would say, "standing room" only coming back today. Mainly Irish, did'nt seem to be too many overseas visitors on board.
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With word of Rome being dropped, Izmir at 2 pw looks like a good fit. But will it happen? Wingsabroad also announced they were adding an extra flight to the SNN schedule for next summer.
Delighted to hear of the healthy loads on Amsterdam and Brussels
Delighted to hear of the healthy loads on Amsterdam and Brussels
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I presume EI are completely withdrawing from Gatwick. What odds on them going to Izmir instead of Rome and putting pressure on the Charters in the process. Airports should stop welcoming new routes that are at the expense of existing ones. It gives the impression that an airline is expanding when they're really just stagnant if not contracting.,
When EI released BRU first it was Su, Mo, We, Fr. Now Thu replaces Wed. Now there is a gap on Mon, Wed (from a glace of EI schedule could be wrong) and Fri so the new route will be FRA. EI had the slots for those days last summer.
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