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What source do you use for the figures?
The CSO has only published up to January, while the IAA only deals with flight movements.
It's worth noting that February 2012 had 29 days, unlike February 2011. That means 3.6% is the effective break-even figure.
The news about Geneva is a bit disappointing. I know that the Winter routes from Cork haven't been finalised yet, but usually the seasonal routes remain on the route map, even when they aren't bookable.
The CSO has only published up to January, while the IAA only deals with flight movements.
It's worth noting that February 2012 had 29 days, unlike February 2011. That means 3.6% is the effective break-even figure.
The news about Geneva is a bit disappointing. I know that the Winter routes from Cork haven't been finalised yet, but usually the seasonal routes remain on the route map, even when they aren't bookable.
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Well, the one a week winter Geneva flight of the last two winter seasons was next to useless anyway so no great loss there. Now, to make something of it and maybe get a few Swiss & French visitors this way maybe the Marketing folk at Cork could get Easy Swiss on the job? Mind you, in saying that, if successful the DAA crowd would probably want to spirit it away to The Real Taj Mahal Terminal in Dublin or even worse to the crowd at the other place. 
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I don't see easyJet CH ever in Dublin, to be honest. I suppose there is an outside chance at ORK or even SNN. I was under the impression that Crystal and sister tour operators bought quite a few seats on the GVA services, it may be that they wanted less seats this year? Or unlikely, maybe more seats? Certainly once weekly is unusual for an EI scheduled service, they usually offer 3-4 weekly services. I would have thought someone like edelweiss, Niki or AirBerlin might operate as a 100% charter flight?
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I'd say Zurich would have a better chance if working year round as there would be a greater mix of traffic. On the one hand EI talk of reducing their exposure to Sun routes but show no sign of implementing that strategy at Belfast and Cork. Hopefully EI and/or FR can be persuaded to operate Brussells and Milan Bergamo throughout Winter 12/13 and give those of us who get bored on beaches somewhere different to go to!
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Cork - Jan 2012 Statistics
Figures flown are left and available capacity on the right. Routes are coping well taking into account it was January, Wizz Air had a excellent month.
Aer Lingus:
Amsterdam 12,283/20,184 61% (LF)
Barcelona 2,264/4,524 50% (LF)
Geneva 1,061/1,392 76% (LF)
Gran Canaria 1,407/1,740 81% (LF)
London Heathrow 26,927/43,152 62% (LF)
Munich 2,024/2,784 72% (LF)
Paris (CDG) 6,399/10,788 59% (LF)
Rome Fiumicino 1,643/3,132 52% (LF)
Aer Lingus Regional (Aer Arann):
Birmingham 5,402/8,928 61% (LF)
Bristol 2,492/4,462 56% (LF)
Edinburgh 2,798/4,462 63% (LF)
Glasgow 1,399/2,592 54% (LF)
Manchester 5,642/8,928 63% (LF)
Jet2.com:
Newcastle 1,280/2,372 54% (LF)
Ryanair:
Fuerteventura 1,542/1,890 82% (LF)
Liverpool 5,257/8,316 65% (LF)
London Stansted 16,964/23,436 72% (LF)
Wizz Air:
Gdansk 2,198/2,520 87% (LF)
Katowice 3,476/3,960 88% (LF)
Poznan 2,010/2,520 80% (LF)
Vilnius 2,562/3,240 79% (LF)
Warsaw 1,854/2,160 86% (LF)
Wroclaw 2,122/2,520 84% (LF)
Aer Lingus/Ryanair:
London Gatwick 11,738/22,506 52% (LF)
Málaga 3,982/7,548 53% (LF)
Tenerife South 2,785/3,282 85% (LF)
Aer Lingus/Ryanair/Orbest Orizonia:
Lanzarote 6,414/8,214 78% (LF)
Aer Lingus:
Amsterdam 12,283/20,184 61% (LF)
Barcelona 2,264/4,524 50% (LF)
Geneva 1,061/1,392 76% (LF)
Gran Canaria 1,407/1,740 81% (LF)
London Heathrow 26,927/43,152 62% (LF)
Munich 2,024/2,784 72% (LF)
Paris (CDG) 6,399/10,788 59% (LF)
Rome Fiumicino 1,643/3,132 52% (LF)
Aer Lingus Regional (Aer Arann):
Birmingham 5,402/8,928 61% (LF)
Bristol 2,492/4,462 56% (LF)
Edinburgh 2,798/4,462 63% (LF)
Glasgow 1,399/2,592 54% (LF)
Manchester 5,642/8,928 63% (LF)
Jet2.com:
Newcastle 1,280/2,372 54% (LF)
Ryanair:
Fuerteventura 1,542/1,890 82% (LF)
Liverpool 5,257/8,316 65% (LF)
London Stansted 16,964/23,436 72% (LF)
Wizz Air:
Gdansk 2,198/2,520 87% (LF)
Katowice 3,476/3,960 88% (LF)
Poznan 2,010/2,520 80% (LF)
Vilnius 2,562/3,240 79% (LF)
Warsaw 1,854/2,160 86% (LF)
Wroclaw 2,122/2,520 84% (LF)
Aer Lingus/Ryanair:
London Gatwick 11,738/22,506 52% (LF)
Málaga 3,982/7,548 53% (LF)
Tenerife South 2,785/3,282 85% (LF)
Aer Lingus/Ryanair/Orbest Orizonia:
Lanzarote 6,414/8,214 78% (LF)
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From those figures, Geneva has the second highest load factor for Aer Lingus so maybe they will increase the frequency back to 2 or 3 flights a week next winter like they had in the past.
Would be great if they had at least a weekly A319 service in the summer since it would generate tourist traffic from this region of Switzerland/France as well as business traffic and ex-pats with it's large financial and pharmaceutical industries as well as being the location of the UN and CERN.
Would be great if they had at least a weekly A319 service in the summer since it would generate tourist traffic from this region of Switzerland/France as well as business traffic and ex-pats with it's large financial and pharmaceutical industries as well as being the location of the UN and CERN.
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Good figures for Wizzair.
However if you multiply the number of passengers by seven euro that is how much money they should be forced to refund to the passengers by the government as they still charge everyone 10 euro government tax when it has been three euro for over a year.
However if you multiply the number of passengers by seven euro that is how much money they should be forced to refund to the passengers by the government as they still charge everyone 10 euro government tax when it has been three euro for over a year.
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However if you multiply the number of passengers by seven euro that is how much money they should be forced to refund to the passengers by the government as they still charge everyone 10 euro government tax when it has been three euro for over a year.
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Cork would want to stop making it difficult for General Aviation and Business aircraft from using it's facilities. There is a whole series of rules and red tape together with very expensive parking fees. These restrictions portray a very negative image of the airport to potential visitors.
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I agree with you But the IAA have one rule for SNN and another for Cork which I think is to stop as much cork traffic as possible to go to Snn and the bosses in cork by their lack of action,and don't rock the boat attitude do not help.
I agree with you But the IAA have one rule for SNN and another for Cork which I think is to stop as much cork traffic as possible to go to Snn and the bosses in cork by their lack of action,and don't rock the boat attitude do not help.
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People keep pointing the finger at the IAA but the airport has had ample time to make the neccessary changes and has done virtually nothing to facilitate General Aviation over the last decade. Why not build a light aircraft park and/or a General Aviation Apron either to the South of 25 or near the new Control under the watchful eye of the IAA.
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Very good point, they'll be lucky if they don't get some sort of legal action taken against them! Surprised Ryanair haven't noticed this yet
If it was Ryanair who were doing this it would be a national scandal.
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I cant help wondering if the snn based Irish Aviation Authority is out of control with their acutely rigid rules for this, that and the next thing at our airports. You see, I am sure the IAA bigwigs know very well their acute and rigid rules are bound to impinge far more on Cork Airport than snn which is much, much bigger and has better facilites etc.
Has anyone easy access to up to date Notams as regards bizjet parking at Cork Airport? There is a rumor doing the rounds locally that Gulfstream V size aircraft are no longer allowed to park on Cork's Stands 1 through to 4. I dont know how true this is: as I say, it is as a result of a rumor heard. Apparently, large bizjets can park on Cork's Stand 5 but the story goes that bizjet parking cannot mix with airliner parking; yet on the other hand, the rumor goes that bizjets cannot either park at Cork's higher numbered stands, shall we say, Stands 14 to 20 on the grounds that again they would be mixing with airliner parking. Sounds like classic Catch 22 if this is the case.
If there is any substance to the above it is plain that Cork will be compromised and the likes of snn would gain. Also, if it is as rumored it would indicate to me that the IAA may be out of control and gone power mad and without urgent political intervention locally in Cork things will only get worse for Cork and more corporate and indeed general aviation movements will be presented with a more welcoming option in landing at snn?
There is yet another rumor abound that Cork ATC, which is again controlled by the Irish Aviation Authority, will allow only two light aircraft in the circuit at Cork for training. Is there any truth to this? If so, who does Cork ATC and the IAA think their kidding? Are they professionals or not capable of doing a proper day's work like the rest of us do and controlling more than two light aircraft in a circuit does not sound too arduous to me, or am I missing something obvious here as to why it is not possible to have, say, three aircraft doing circuits and bumps?
In light of all of the above I would again pose the question put forward a little earlier in this thread - does anyone know the circumstances of the KLM755 flight on 29th March, 2012 that diverted to snn? It has been reported elsewhere that this flight operated by Boeing 777-206ER, PH-BQN had wanted to divert to Cork with a sick passenger but somehow later ended up diverting instead to snn. It is noteworthy that the Clare Herald did a sizeable feature on the story inclusive of a photo thereby putting snn in a good light in terms of good will and publicity. Cork would sorely have done with some of this kind of good will and publicity in promoting what local facilities Cork has to offer - afterall, the Aircraft Classification Numbers for the 747-400 and MD-11 are both higher than the 777-200.
Incidentally, it is to be noted that snn received another KLM 777-200 diversion visitor today, Sunday, 15th April, 2012.
Has anyone easy access to up to date Notams as regards bizjet parking at Cork Airport? There is a rumor doing the rounds locally that Gulfstream V size aircraft are no longer allowed to park on Cork's Stands 1 through to 4. I dont know how true this is: as I say, it is as a result of a rumor heard. Apparently, large bizjets can park on Cork's Stand 5 but the story goes that bizjet parking cannot mix with airliner parking; yet on the other hand, the rumor goes that bizjets cannot either park at Cork's higher numbered stands, shall we say, Stands 14 to 20 on the grounds that again they would be mixing with airliner parking. Sounds like classic Catch 22 if this is the case.
If there is any substance to the above it is plain that Cork will be compromised and the likes of snn would gain. Also, if it is as rumored it would indicate to me that the IAA may be out of control and gone power mad and without urgent political intervention locally in Cork things will only get worse for Cork and more corporate and indeed general aviation movements will be presented with a more welcoming option in landing at snn?
There is yet another rumor abound that Cork ATC, which is again controlled by the Irish Aviation Authority, will allow only two light aircraft in the circuit at Cork for training. Is there any truth to this? If so, who does Cork ATC and the IAA think their kidding? Are they professionals or not capable of doing a proper day's work like the rest of us do and controlling more than two light aircraft in a circuit does not sound too arduous to me, or am I missing something obvious here as to why it is not possible to have, say, three aircraft doing circuits and bumps?
In light of all of the above I would again pose the question put forward a little earlier in this thread - does anyone know the circumstances of the KLM755 flight on 29th March, 2012 that diverted to snn? It has been reported elsewhere that this flight operated by Boeing 777-206ER, PH-BQN had wanted to divert to Cork with a sick passenger but somehow later ended up diverting instead to snn. It is noteworthy that the Clare Herald did a sizeable feature on the story inclusive of a photo thereby putting snn in a good light in terms of good will and publicity. Cork would sorely have done with some of this kind of good will and publicity in promoting what local facilities Cork has to offer - afterall, the Aircraft Classification Numbers for the 747-400 and MD-11 are both higher than the 777-200.
Incidentally, it is to be noted that snn received another KLM 777-200 diversion visitor today, Sunday, 15th April, 2012.
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On the question of parking at Cork, it seems that the Shannon based IAA do not want executive jets and other such aircraft disembarking passengers near the Commercial airliners. This is all very fine except they also insist that larger executive types do not park South of Stand 5. This poses a dilemma for Cork and the airport and their owners in Dublin have done nothing to resolve the problem.
I'm not sure what if any restrictions have been imposed on Executive Jets in Shannon. In relation to the KLM 777,it appears that plans were at a very advanced stage to facilitate a landing at Cork.
I'm not sure what if any restrictions have been imposed on Executive Jets in Shannon. In relation to the KLM 777,it appears that plans were at a very advanced stage to facilitate a landing at Cork.
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Tom, sorry to burst your anti anyone but Cork bias, but the IAA are based in Dublin, and not Shannon.
Address: The Times Building
11-12 D'Olier Street
Dublin 2
No such Notam exists.
http://www.iaa.ie/library_download.jsp?libraryID=868
Please also find attached the AIM for Cork
http://www.iaa.ie/safe_reg/iaip/Publ..._2_EICK_EN.pdf
Time you you to make an official complaint against evil demagogy hampering cork.
The form is here.
Irish Aviation Authority - Complaints against the IAA
You will need
since all these concerns you have are bogus, all I can offer you is the best of luck.
Address: The Times Building
11-12 D'Olier Street
Dublin 2
anyone easy access to up to date Notams as regards bizjet parking at Cork Airport
http://www.iaa.ie/library_download.jsp?libraryID=868
Please also find attached the AIM for Cork
http://www.iaa.ie/safe_reg/iaip/Publ..._2_EICK_EN.pdf
Time you you to make an official complaint against evil demagogy hampering cork.
the IAA may be out of control and gone power mad and without urgent political intervention locally in Cork things will only get worse for Cork and more corporate and indeed general aviation
Irish Aviation Authority - Complaints against the IAA
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documented evidence to support allegations.