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Milan & Brussels back on the map
Great news that both BGY & BRU are back from Cork, hopefully the later will be a year-round route. I have to say though i fully agree with Ryan2000 i also think that FRA would offer a greater choice of travellers and connections. I think now we have to begin to wonder if Brussels is a success over the Summer and will be maintained then a 4th EI A/C is likely from Next October (Also could be operated by DUB a/c however) to operate BRU and there would be ample space for a new FRA route and a further service as well as increasing existing service i.e. GVA, FCO.
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Well its been a year i think no one can forget. On the operations side its remained good and steady and a lot better then what one would come to expect when the country is in such bleak days, here's hoping 2012 will see growth and development of existing and hopefully new routes. May i wish everyone a very Happy Christmas and a Happy new Year. But also lets share a thought for the 6 families bereaved last February following the tragic events of NM7100, in this very tough period i offer them my prayers and sympathy.
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There have been some upgraded LHR flights over the Christmas period to A321's, presumably a lot of people were coming home for Christmas - mores than previous years. (I know Christmas week saw the A321 do several days and some flights in early Jan are scheduled as A321 as well). There were also additional LHR services on certain days as well - these were A320 operated.
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This afternoons Salzburg-Dublin A321 flights has gone tech and another A321 was sent from Dublin to operate Cork-Salzbrug (normally A320) and the delayed DUB flight and ORK flight will operate as one.
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EI want to put an A321 on ORK LHR but the problem is that it's difficult to integrate it with the 3 Cork based 320's. Much easier to keep LHR flights on schedule with an all A320 fleet. Delayed LHR flights causes serious logistical problems with connections. Does anyone know if the turning circle at 35 end is still an issue with EI A330's. Heard that it was widened some years ago and now meets Aerlingus' requirements.
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I'm not sure the A330-300 can use Cork anyway. The A330-200 should be OK.
But, realistically, Aer Lingus are not going to operate long-haul out of Cork
Why?
- Wrong aircraft types (A330 too large, A320 lacks the range)
- Fully utilised A330 fleet
- Maintenance issues from a single A330 based in Cork
- Dilution of existing market from Shannon and Dublin
- Almost everyone not going from Shannon or Dublin leaves on an EI flight to LHR or AMS
The only reason they might set up a service from Cork is to reclaim their territory if another operator came in.
In the meantime, if it ever does happen, it's likely to be a US operator of 757, 767 or 737-900s.
But, realistically, Aer Lingus are not going to operate long-haul out of Cork
Why?
- Wrong aircraft types (A330 too large, A320 lacks the range)
- Fully utilised A330 fleet
- Maintenance issues from a single A330 based in Cork
- Dilution of existing market from Shannon and Dublin
- Almost everyone not going from Shannon or Dublin leaves on an EI flight to LHR or AMS
The only reason they might set up a service from Cork is to reclaim their territory if another operator came in.
In the meantime, if it ever does happen, it's likely to be a US operator of 757, 767 or 737-900s.
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Apart from the transatlantic issue, EI have never used a A330 on a short haul flight out of Cork. I'm also told that BFS, MAN and PIK are alternates if DUB and SNN are closed. I know there was an issue with the turning circle at Cork in the 90's and that it has been widened since. Maybe someone forgot to tell Aerlingus! It might be a useful option if they ever need to double up on Cork/Dublin flights or tender for match Charters. Several foreign operators have used their 330's on Cork charters so it sounds like a breakdown in Communication.
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I'm not sure the A330-300 can use Cork anyway. The A330-200 should be OK.
But, realistically, Aer Lingus are not going to operate long-haul out of Cork
Why?
- Wrong aircraft types (A330 too large, A320 lacks the range)
- Fully utilized A330 fleet
- Maintenance issues from a single A330 based in Cork
- Dilution of existing market from Shannon and Dublin
- Almost everyone not going from Shannon or Dublin leaves on an EI flight to LHR or AMS
The only reason they might set up a service from Cork is to reclaim their territory if another operator came in.
In the meantime, if it ever does happen, it's likely to be a US operator of 757, 767 or 737-900s.
But, realistically, Aer Lingus are not going to operate long-haul out of Cork
Why?
- Wrong aircraft types (A330 too large, A320 lacks the range)
- Fully utilized A330 fleet
- Maintenance issues from a single A330 based in Cork
- Dilution of existing market from Shannon and Dublin
- Almost everyone not going from Shannon or Dublin leaves on an EI flight to LHR or AMS
The only reason they might set up a service from Cork is to reclaim their territory if another operator came in.
In the meantime, if it ever does happen, it's likely to be a US operator of 757, 767 or 737-900s.
Back in 2003/2004 i do remember EI being under pressure from Investors in the US to launch a ORK-JFK route, the reasons 840 mentioned are the exact reason the then CEO Willie Walsh resisted the pressure.
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I agree that the 330 is the wrong aircraft, not just for ORK JFK but also for SNN JFK , SNN BOS several potential routes from Dublin. From the decision to purchase 747-100's in the 60's to the infamous 767's of the early 90's to trying to sustain year round Shannon US services with A330's EI have been getting it wrong. Howver constant political inteference from successive Governments has also been a factor. It'll be intersting to see what'll happen if the Government offloads it's stake in EI. From what I'm hearing this may not be as far away as people think.
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Turn-pad ''restrictions''
If anyone can remember in late April 2008 a Monarch A332 operated a charter from Cork to Birmingham for the Heineken Cup game Saracens v Munster in Coventry. It landed on 17 at the time and made a full turn at the turn-pad before backtracking up to Alpha and parking on stand 17. I do know restrictions are in place for B767/A330 aircraft not allowed to use Bravo, so only Charlie and Alpha unrestricted. So surely the turn-pad is not an issue, filling an A332 to JFK or BOS however is another. Also id like to point out in January 2007 a Corsair B744 to Cardiff used the turn-pad to take-off on 35.
Good to see the sharp declines have decreased and just hopefully 2011 was the last year of pax declines.
Cork finished down 2.5% for 2011, not a bad performance given the times we live in. At least the sharp decline of 2009 and 2010 wasn't repeated
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I'll ignore other destinations, but for the two most likely of Boston and New York, the A332 can do both, fully loaded. The A333 can only do Boston.
Ignore who has these for the moment, but A350 and 787 can do anywhere in North America from Cork.
I also echo 840's assessment.
Ignore who has these for the moment, but A350 and 787 can do anywhere in North America from Cork.
I also echo 840's assessment.