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No - spot on if you ask me (and if anything a bit optimistic - relatively speaking is the Indian population in the NE that large? EK with its competitive nature and onward connections from the hub at DXB will probably see off any other eastern bound LH for the foreseeable future)
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That is very true. EK have an excellent network ex DXB so the likelihood of AI/PK would be slim and personally wouldn't like to see an inbound AI flight being processed through NCL. The airport can barely cope with the current SFB/YYZ services. Hope plans are in place for EK service, immigration counters, lounges etc.
On another note, heres a review of 2006, all in all hasn't been a bad year for expansion at NCL, with numerous new services started or been announced.
Jet2.com to BGO, KRK, LEI, VLC, PMI, AGP, LGW and CMF.
Eastern to CWL.
EI to DUB.
TOM to LXR.
Aer Arran to GWY.
Flybe to LIG.
Ryanair to GRO.
Easy to MAH and KRK.
GSM to YHM.
TCX to YYZ.
And we've lost a couple of EZY routes, INV from T3 and BA to LGW.
On another note, heres a review of 2006, all in all hasn't been a bad year for expansion at NCL, with numerous new services started or been announced.
Jet2.com to BGO, KRK, LEI, VLC, PMI, AGP, LGW and CMF.
Eastern to CWL.
EI to DUB.
TOM to LXR.
Aer Arran to GWY.
Flybe to LIG.
Ryanair to GRO.
Easy to MAH and KRK.
GSM to YHM.
TCX to YYZ.
And we've lost a couple of EZY routes, INV from T3 and BA to LGW.
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That is very true. EK have an excellent network ex DXB so the likelihood of AI/PK would be slim and personally wouldn't like to see an inbound AI flight being processed through NCL. The airport can barely cope with the current SFB/YYZ services. Hope plans are in place for EK service, immigration counters, lounges etc.
On another note, heres a review of 2006, all in all hasn't been a bad year for expansion at NCL, with numerous new services started or been announced.
Jet2.com to BGO, KRK, LEI, VLC, PMI, AGP, LGW and CMF.
Eastern to CWL.
EI to DUB.
TOM to LXR.
Aer Arran to GWY.
Flybe to LIG.
Ryanair to GRO.
Easy to MAH and KRK.
GSM to YHM.
TCX to YYZ.
And we've lost a couple of EZY routes, INV from T3 and BA to LGW.
On another note, heres a review of 2006, all in all hasn't been a bad year for expansion at NCL, with numerous new services started or been announced.
Jet2.com to BGO, KRK, LEI, VLC, PMI, AGP, LGW and CMF.
Eastern to CWL.
EI to DUB.
TOM to LXR.
Aer Arran to GWY.
Flybe to LIG.
Ryanair to GRO.
Easy to MAH and KRK.
GSM to YHM.
TCX to YYZ.
And we've lost a couple of EZY routes, INV from T3 and BA to LGW.
I also have to agree with your previous post that some of the route suggestions are getting a bit far fetched. Very Slim chance of Virgin, they may dable in a limited service to Orlando as they do at Glasgow. However I would think this unlikely given that in the last few years the number of flights to Orlando has dropped down to just one per week, does anyone know why? It was not that long ago we had 4 flights per week in the Summer and one in the Winter from Newcastle to Orlando. Did pax figures become so low?
The airline industry press have also been quite good at rumours about new routes from Newcastle. Some of the ones I can remember from 2006 both include possible operators to SFB including flyglobespan and travelcity direct. Both these rumours amounted to nothing. Indeed a contact I have at XL airways (prev travelcity) told me that they have moved away from considering a 747 operating from NCL and instead are looking at putting the aircraft into Durham Tees Valley for Summer 08.
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Virgin & easyjet to team up with asian airline.
You might be interested in this story from Sky News this morning. If that comes off I imagine that they will be looking for other departure points in suitable catchment areas. I don't know the north east too well but guess that you have a good-sized Asian community.
easyJet discusses link with Hong Kong's Oasis
28.12.06
easyJet and the new long-haul, low-cost airline Oasis Hong Kong have held discussions about an alliance that would allow customers to book tickets for flights on both airlines. The alliance could allow travelers to book a ticket that allowed them fly from one of easyJet's airports in Europe to Gatwick on an easyJet flight, and then to Hong Kong on Oasis, or on an Oasis flight from Hong Kong, and then on to a European destination from Gatwick with easyJet.
Oasis Chief Executive Stephen Miller told the Times newspaper that the two airlines were 'very friendly,' and that he hoped the two would work together more closely in the future. No agreement has been signed as yet.
Oasis began operating its Gatwick - Hong Kong route in October, with fares that started at £75. The airline hopes to start flying from Hong Kong to Oakland, California, and to new European cities by early next year.
I am very interested in Virgin and Easyjet in the same sentence!!! Virgin is part owned by Singapore airlines and according to the article you posted tigger4me, it is air asia that Virgin and easyjet are talking to ? I have often wondered although not relevant to this tread, if Virgin will eventually take over bmi and easyjet take over bmibaby ??
What does anyone else think ? Do you think 2007 will be the year ??? Maybe a long shot !!!!
Happy new year everyone!
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I read your comment regarding XLA MME flights to SFB with interest. I suggest your 'contact' takes a closer look at MME - I can't possibly see the airport being in a position to sustain a weekly 747 flight. It has neither the infrastructure for 450 pax nor the caption area.
I have operated through there in the summer months on a 757 and that is a shambles when there is another a/c departing around the same time.
Surprised NCL was snubbed again though
I read your comment regarding XLA MME flights to SFB with interest. I suggest your 'contact' takes a closer look at MME - I can't possibly see the airport being in a position to sustain a weekly 747 flight. It has neither the infrastructure for 450 pax nor the caption area.
I have operated through there in the summer months on a 757 and that is a shambles when there is another a/c departing around the same time.
Surprised NCL was snubbed again though
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I read your comment regarding XLA MME flights to SFB with interest. I suggest your 'contact' takes a closer look at MME - I can't possibly see the airport being in a position to sustain a weekly 747 flight. It has neither the infrastructure for 450 pax nor the caption area.
I have operated through there in the summer months on a 757 and that is a shambles when there is another a/c departing around the same time.
Surprised NCL was snubbed again though
I read your comment regarding XLA MME flights to SFB with interest. I suggest your 'contact' takes a closer look at MME - I can't possibly see the airport being in a position to sustain a weekly 747 flight. It has neither the infrastructure for 450 pax nor the caption area.
I have operated through there in the summer months on a 757 and that is a shambles when there is another a/c departing around the same time.
Surprised NCL was snubbed again though
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As I understand it XL/Travel City wanted to do a 747 out of NCL early morning but problem with ramp availability, don't suppose its practical to remote park a 747. They also appear to have done their sums and believe that if the cost is right folks will travel the hour down from Newcastle to Durham Tees Valley to do a long haul flight. This may work after all they would have no competition from the North East across the Atlantic. Finally would the landing charges from DTVA not be a lot lower than from NCL? This may finally clinch the deal.
On another point whilst we all seem totally focused, on the yet to be confirmed EK DXB operation, and other long haul possibilities (& some fantasy), then how on the same pages can we be claiming that NCL is unable to support a weekly early morning SFB ? If there is any truth in this it's madness irrespective as to any merits in relocating to MME. I've read / condone the suggestions that Eatbound EK may provide more interest from US carriers re Westbound, but you will achieve nothing if at the same time you are seen to be moving your longhaul US charter operations down the road
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A 747 wouldnt need a fuel stop to go to SFB. The TCD 747 makes the journey weekly for CWL with its short 2392m runway, a service is plausible from NCL on runway length at all with only a 40m shorter runway. Isnt it? I have little knowledege on local traffic to SFB but iit certinaley has a larger chatchment area than CWL!
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AA were actually heavily marketing the JFK route as a gateway to the states and in alot of adverts they ran prior to the route been pulled advertised Newcastle to - and had a huge list of US cities. My family all live in NC in the USA and I had made several bookings myself with AA using JFK as a gateway to get me to Charlotte, North Carolina. I had a few colleagues that had done the same infact alot folks that I know had bookings on cancelled AA flights that were simply using JFK as a transit hub.
I still think NYC is more than viable daily and hopefully if EK make a great success of Dubai then we will have loads of other operators hoping to provide long haul to/from Newcastle.
AA were actually heavily marketing the JFK route as a gateway to the states and in alot of adverts they ran prior to the route been pulled advertised Newcastle to - and had a huge list of US cities. My family all live in NC in the USA and I had made several bookings myself with AA using JFK as a gateway to get me to Charlotte, North Carolina. I had a few colleagues that had done the same infact alot folks that I know had bookings on cancelled AA flights that were simply using JFK as a transit hub.
I still think NYC is more than viable daily and hopefully if EK make a great success of Dubai then we will have loads of other operators hoping to provide long haul to/from Newcastle.
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Smile, you are over simplifying the issues, you could not plan a regular non stop 747 from NCL to MIA without allowing for a westbound fuel stop. You may find acceptable weather conditions that tie in with loads on certain days that enable such an operation, but as has been discussed at legnth in earlier forum postings, the critical factor that you have totally ignored is the runway 'TODA' at NCL, and on 25 at least there is a rather nasty hill some 500m from the end which restricts performance. I am not at all interested in CWL so can't comment on any of their 747 op's, but I can assure you that the issue is much more than an extra 40m.
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Err have I missed something? ... neither NCL or MME have the runway capacity to support a non stop 747 sevice to Florida. So I presume what you are pontificating on when discussing the economics etc. of such a route is the incluion of at least a west bound fuel stop. So the obvious question is why a 747 ?
On another point whilst we all seem totally focused, on the yet to be confirmed EK DXB operation, and other long haul possibilities (& some fantasy), then how on the same pages can we be claiming that NCL is unable to support a weekly early morning SFB ? If there is any truth in this it's madness irrespective as to any merits in relocating to MME. I've read / condone the suggestions that Eatbound EK may provide more interest from US carriers re Westbound, but you will achieve nothing if at the same time you are seen to be moving your longhaul US charter operations down the road
On another point whilst we all seem totally focused, on the yet to be confirmed EK DXB operation, and other long haul possibilities (& some fantasy), then how on the same pages can we be claiming that NCL is unable to support a weekly early morning SFB ? If there is any truth in this it's madness irrespective as to any merits in relocating to MME. I've read / condone the suggestions that Eatbound EK may provide more interest from US carriers re Westbound, but you will achieve nothing if at the same time you are seen to be moving your longhaul US charter operations down the road
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Finally would the landing charges from DTVA not be a lot lower than from NCL? This may finally clinch the deal.
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I just cant see a weekly 747 service to SFB.
The market is down with only 1 service this summer so would not be a prident move to place a 747 with a tech stop on that route. Nowadays, pax want direct flights and I dont think a tech stop would be welcomed
The market is down with only 1 service this summer so would not be a prident move to place a 747 with a tech stop on that route. Nowadays, pax want direct flights and I dont think a tech stop would be welcomed
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Just to put an end to the flight sim warrior 'expert' debate on 747 ops from NCL, it can and has been done non-stop to SFB and POP - 310,000 kgs and some 280 pax with no tech stop required.
Now please shut up.
Thank you.
Now please shut up.
Thank you.
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Irrespective of all the above, I can't understand why the demand for SFB should be so low this year. With the £ at nearly 2 to the $, I would have thought that demand would be better than ever this year.
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Good point jamesair, but I think travellers are now more adventerous than ever before. Look at the mainstream tour operators now expanding more far flung destinations such as China and India.
Florida has been established for a number of years and demand and tastes change
Florida has been established for a number of years and demand and tastes change
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With only one flight per week from NCL there is a shortage of seats on this route. Some dates I understand are already sold out. Travel city have tried this route from NCL before with a 742 but the seats came on sale late and at that time there was 2x weekly and 1x fortnightly already opperating from NCL. The flights were cancelled due to poor sales before the short series started. I think they also intended to do a 767 flight last summer but again that never happened.
So with two bad experiences from NCL it would not surprise me if they gave Durham a go with a 747 or another aircraft type. The management at Peel will no doubt be working very hard to gain new routes, after all there supposedly spending millions on the place. Orlando would be a prime target with the lack of seats from the Nort East. Of course the NCL team will be working hard to, but I think the competition from Durham will make there job increasingly very hard and we may probably see a couple of surprises this year.
So with two bad experiences from NCL it would not surprise me if they gave Durham a go with a 747 or another aircraft type. The management at Peel will no doubt be working very hard to gain new routes, after all there supposedly spending millions on the place. Orlando would be a prime target with the lack of seats from the Nort East. Of course the NCL team will be working hard to, but I think the competition from Durham will make there job increasingly very hard and we may probably see a couple of surprises this year.
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I don't want to hijack other threads but I understand the frustration, it is
the same here in the West Mids. One Thomsonfly 763 to SFB and one CO 75W to EWR (down from 10 a week) for summer 2007.
BHX is still smarting from First Choice upping sticks to EMA and it is not
always easy getting these services replaced (don't even mention fly***).
Emirates will raise Newcastle's profile and hopefully it will lead to
more services. Who would have thought that BHX would be getting between 800-1000 a day to Dubai, plus AI 777's every day of the week?
I know you cannot compare one area directly with another but there
is hope if you do get one of the "big" airlines on board.
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the same here in the West Mids. One Thomsonfly 763 to SFB and one CO 75W to EWR (down from 10 a week) for summer 2007.
BHX is still smarting from First Choice upping sticks to EMA and it is not
always easy getting these services replaced (don't even mention fly***).
Emirates will raise Newcastle's profile and hopefully it will lead to
more services. Who would have thought that BHX would be getting between 800-1000 a day to Dubai, plus AI 777's every day of the week?
I know you cannot compare one area directly with another but there
is hope if you do get one of the "big" airlines on board.
OP