IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK
Your calculations are wrong!
Knock had 120 seats available to sell
I am basing my calculations as guestimates based on the info in this thread.
B757 has typically 200 seats.
Knock filled 60% say 120
Knock filled 60% say 120
which is 85% of their allocation
nd on a season average sold 102 seats of their allocation.
102/120 = 0.85. 0.85*100 =85%.
All is good in the world.
They had no ability to sell the remaining 80 seats which were allocated to Liverpool airport so Im failing to see your point on this.
The problem is that the notional aircraft to be used (B757 or some future variant of the A320/B737 families) all have seating capacities of 180+.
102/180 = 0.57. 0.57*100= 57%.
Despite the claims there is no "pent up demand".
The pilgrimage later this year is a charter flight so is operated at no loss to the airline.
You can bet that this will be heralded as some kind of second coming but the numbers would appear to be against it.
Airlines are not charities.
Given thelast airline to run the service went bust, and it hasn't been picked up despite the fact this year is on course to be the record year for Trans Atlantic movements, I think we can guess.
The LF debate is interesting, but all a bit moot when you don't know the yields?!
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US flights from Cork face ?barriers? | Irish Examiner
Thats from the chairman of the DAA.
(Of course, hes talking out of his hole, because a Transatlantic Boeing 757 carries roughly 180 passenger. He also states that the knock on effect of the low capacity of the 757 could result in higher prices (Complete and utter BS) and would result in 1 or 2 flights a week (Like an A330 would do daily?)
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Evening Echo ? Transatlantic flights on way to Cork Airport
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On the Knock side of Transatlantic flights, I found this fourm FlyGlobespan airline Transatlantic flts JFK and BOS to NOC Ireland west airport - Page 2 - FlyerTalk Forums
stating that the NOC-JFK flight was 50/50 NOC and LPL.
“We would love to have a transatlantic flight from Cork into the East Coast of the United States, but I think we need to be realistic about that. There are a number of limitations that stop us; because of the length of the runway in Cork, there is only one aircraft that could actually fly to the east coast and that is a Boeing 757, which has 205 passengers,
(Of course, hes talking out of his hole, because a Transatlantic Boeing 757 carries roughly 180 passenger. He also states that the knock on effect of the low capacity of the 757 could result in higher prices (Complete and utter BS) and would result in 1 or 2 flights a week (Like an A330 would do daily?)
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Evening Echo ? Transatlantic flights on way to Cork Airport
“The runway is not suitable for aircraft to travel to the West Coast of the USA, but at 2.1 kilometres, it is capable of serving 757 aircrafts on flights to New York, Boston and Chicago.
On the Knock side of Transatlantic flights, I found this fourm FlyGlobespan airline Transatlantic flts JFK and BOS to NOC Ireland west airport - Page 2 - FlyerTalk Forums
stating that the NOC-JFK flight was 50/50 NOC and LPL.
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If you are only filling less than 60% of the plane either the airport is paying you or the price (yield) for everyone is saucy.
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Well if it's from the Evening Echo I bow to it's superior knowledge. It's never been shown to be wrong in the past 
I won't comment on whether there could possibly be any ulterior agenda from DAA Chairman.....
I won't comment on whether there could possibly be any ulterior agenda from DAA Chairman.....
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Back on topic - there was reference to Knock in the report on the IAG takeover of Aer Lingus, talk of connectivity into IAG's range of Euro routes from Gatwick. If IAG are serious about this they would perhaps want to restructure the flight times to and from Knock or look at going double daily (unlikely I would think). Longer term, Knock might benefit if Gatwick were to win the ongoing London airport battle against Heathrow for further expansion.
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Back on topic - there was reference to Knock in the report on the IAG takeover of Aer Lingus, talk of connectivity into IAG's range of Euro routes from Gatwick. If IAG are serious about this they would perhaps want to restructure the flight times to and from Knock or look at going double daily (unlikely I would think). Longer term, Knock might benefit if Gatwick were to win the ongoing London airport battle against Heathrow for further expansion.
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If it does go, its not that much of the surprise as I'd imagine the SNN FR service has has a massive hit. No turboprob can compete with €9.99 fares on a 737.
Still, no need to worry.
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Be a Shame if goes its more the Ryanair liverpool service that has affected it from knock now doing 80000 per year says it all - a lot of the Manchester people I know now use the liverpool service
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Yep I'd say the two of those together has given a hit. Although I still know a few hardcore Man UTD and Man City fans who refuse to fly to Liverpool, so you never know, it may still be there.
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Even sir Alex Ferguson flew out on the Liverpool flight a few weeks ago !!! It's back to the age old problem Ryanair are cornering the market now from the regionals with the only regional options ie stobart and Flybe retreating more and more as it appears they can't compete against €9.99 fares and who can blame them ! As you say hopefully the service might appear on the next draft of the Flybe winter schedule
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A320/A321/737 Transatlantic from Knock
Hi Guy's
I've been checking max distances for the A320 and 737 and most of them would be safe to fly direct from NOC to either JFK or BOS.
However, does anyone know the realistic technical limitations that may arise depending on pax load, fuel, weight, weather conditions, delays etc
Was just wondering as you know there is an increase in low cost long haul ops beginning to arise. WOW air or WestJet would be two i'd day may offer talks to Knock? WOW air would seem promising if they attempted direct service from NOC rather than via Reyjavik.
I work at LGW and was just announced WestJet will begin ops next March, and our Norwegian USA ops have increased, (low cost long haul) so I believe anything is possible once the airline and airport negotiate a suitable aircraft that's available to operate the route. (.ie 787)
I've been checking max distances for the A320 and 737 and most of them would be safe to fly direct from NOC to either JFK or BOS.
However, does anyone know the realistic technical limitations that may arise depending on pax load, fuel, weight, weather conditions, delays etc
Was just wondering as you know there is an increase in low cost long haul ops beginning to arise. WOW air or WestJet would be two i'd day may offer talks to Knock? WOW air would seem promising if they attempted direct service from NOC rather than via Reyjavik.
I work at LGW and was just announced WestJet will begin ops next March, and our Norwegian USA ops have increased, (low cost long haul) so I believe anything is possible once the airline and airport negotiate a suitable aircraft that's available to operate the route. (.ie 787)
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Based on previous conversations.
*Very few airlines have made TATL on a 737/A320 viable.
*No airlines to put TATL in Knock. Wow air are in Reykjavik and Norwegian won't use 737's.
*Is there even a market.
*VERY heavy competition from DUB/SNN.
*Very few airlines have made TATL on a 737/A320 viable.
*No airlines to put TATL in Knock. Wow air are in Reykjavik and Norwegian won't use 737's.
*Is there even a market.
*VERY heavy competition from DUB/SNN.
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heneghan, still air distances don't translate into ground distance. A 100kt headwind westbound means a tech stop for fuel. Globespan usually tech stopped on the westbound whenever they used the 737. Pax don't like looking out the window at Gander or St Johns for an hour.
Also, as I mentioned above, a 737NG cannot take off at MTOW from Knock on days with low atmospheric pressure (i.e. winter) as the runway isn't long enough.
Also, as I mentioned above, a 737NG cannot take off at MTOW from Knock on days with low atmospheric pressure (i.e. winter) as the runway isn't long enough.
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Manchester
Anyone hear any further news on the knock - Manchester service and if it plans to operate beyond October - I know they still finalising schedule at present - hopefully it remains - from looking at CAA stats the airport hadn't been adversely affected by the loss of BHX service looks like the EMA service had improved considerably and picked up all this business in April anyway - would expect LPL to do same if they lose MAN service