IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK
Cologne, Germany Possibly Transferred to shannon (GermanWings)
Prestwick (Glasgow), Scotland Newly introduced for 2014 but will not continue for 2015 (Ryanair)
Gran Canaria, Spain Will not continue for 2015 (Ryanair)
Eindhoven, Holland Newly introduced for 2014 but will not continue for 2015 (Ryanair)
Gran Canaria, Spain Will not continue for 2015 (Ryanair)
Eindhoven, Holland Newly introduced for 2014 but will not continue for 2015 (Ryanair)
Kaunas, Lithuania Newly introduced for 2014 but now transferred to Shannon (Ryanair)
And I have my doubts about the veracity of the Germanwings (Website only lists Dublin as available in Ireland and when you try book from Germany Shannon is not available as an optional destination))transfer so a maybe.
The others have been cancelled entirely from the west?
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Passengers and tourists are being lost to DUBLIN every day, tens of thousand of them yet we in the west blame the each other for losing a few hundred. Shannon and Knock will always struggle for new business and operators will come and go frequently as they have at SNN for many decades. This Business is a cyclic wave and airports have to ride it or fall. While Knock has probably maxed out this year it is only last year since SNN was at the other end of the scale. SNN lost a load of business when FR pulled out before and Knock traffic boomed even though the country was entering its worst recession and Knock management got all the credit.
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I'll respond in public as it's relevant to the thread and I'd prefer to answer your challenges rather than leave them hanging!
The property portfolio gives them another income stream (the rent roll) with which they can do whatever they want. If they want to build new warehouses they can do that, but if they wanted to use that income to do things in the airport they can do that as well.
Why is debt free normal? Assets have been developed and paid for by daa with debt, and then in the separation the asset goes but the debt stays (with daa). That's not normal. The same thing didn't happen with Cork?!
The tax treatment I mention is proposals under the draft National Aviation Policy as opposed to anything in the separation bill. That proposes a variety of schemes (initially only for Shannon but then widened to all to avoid State Aid issues). The reality is the infrastructure in Shannon makes the proposed schemes most applicable to Shannon and not that relevant to anyone without hangarage, extensive parking etc.
In addition the International Aviation Services Centre is proposed for Shannon, which would be fine if there was a debate around it or some level of competitive tendering between all airports to get it. There wasn't, needless to say.
The property portfolio gives them another income stream (the rent roll) with which they can do whatever they want. If they want to build new warehouses they can do that, but if they wanted to use that income to do things in the airport they can do that as well.
Why is debt free normal? Assets have been developed and paid for by daa with debt, and then in the separation the asset goes but the debt stays (with daa). That's not normal. The same thing didn't happen with Cork?!
The tax treatment I mention is proposals under the draft National Aviation Policy as opposed to anything in the separation bill. That proposes a variety of schemes (initially only for Shannon but then widened to all to avoid State Aid issues). The reality is the infrastructure in Shannon makes the proposed schemes most applicable to Shannon and not that relevant to anyone without hangarage, extensive parking etc.
In addition the International Aviation Services Centre is proposed for Shannon, which would be fine if there was a debate around it or some level of competitive tendering between all airports to get it. There wasn't, needless to say.
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Very good points angry rebel and right on the money - it's obvious shannon got a very good deal from govt and good luck to them - what is interesting to see is ryanair will once again be the dominant carrier serving UK and European mainland routes - the regional irish market is simply not attractive enough or profitable enough to attract any major legacy carriers outside of ryanair who clearly have a very attractive deal - aviation is very cyclical and the likes of knock shannon and cork will continue to see traffic fluctuate up and down with all hugely reliant on ryanair to grow traffic as no other carriers will deliver the growth - this is clear in the fact that Dublin is the attractive market for the major carriers - with five new airlines secured for next year
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Well it looks like something is finally about to happen, debt deal done with the local authorities to allow a funding announcement to be made in the new year. Hopefully it comes to something more than lip service from the government this time around and we can finally see the airport given the chance to build on the progress of the last five or six years.
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?opt...news&Itemid=46
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?opt...news&Itemid=46
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Was shannon not in terminal decline when they hit their recent investment package?? Obviously investment is great news as will hopefully enable the airport to compete in securing new services
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Why do they need funding.
The airport will be in decline and cuts by 2 or 3 airlines.
I don't know about 40 routes but 1m passengers is certainly achievable in time given that they're at about 700k for 2014.
Some funding plus not having a debt bill hanging over them would hopefully allow them to retain and establish the marginal routes they are currently losing. If they could somehow get themselves into a position where they could drop the development fee that would lead to an inevitable upsurge in passenger numbers.
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1million would be pushing it. I expect knock to reach around 800,000 this year (2014), 700,000 next year (2015), and back to 800,000 the year after that (2016) then settle around there for the foreseeable future. And thats an optimistic forecast.
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Knock wont hit 800,000 this year - they on track to do about 700,000 - proba small decline then to 650,000 or thereabouts going on the current route losses for 2015 - expect to get back up to the 700,000 mark then for 2016 - big ask to hit 1m as you say AerRyan - probably more a ten year target
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I'm sure very few people thought 10 years ago that they'd reach the numbers they are at now. The key part of my post was the phrase "in time" and yes, in time, I think they can reach 1m pax p.a. But no, it won't be next year or the year after.
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Noc man is now bookable at 5 weekly frequency for summer however bhx seems to be ending at end of march now even though it was bookable for summer 2 days ago!I hope it's not transferring to shannon!
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I cant see much logic in cutting NOC in favour of SNN other than lack of a/c, given that both routes have grown over the last year, unless BE can offer t/a connections through SNN similar to their DUB routes.
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Some positive news
Brs to be 4 wkly for summer 2015 m/w/f/s
Ema to be 6 wkly for summer 2015 daily except sat
This is obviously in response to stobart pull out in shannon and flybe pulling bhx route.
I was wondering would ei mainline put a 319 on bhx noc route . My travel used to do daily a320 I think 4 wkly 319 would be perfect . I would imagine fr will serve shannon from bhx when aircraft become availabl
Brs to be 4 wkly for summer 2015 m/w/f/s
Ema to be 6 wkly for summer 2015 daily except sat
This is obviously in response to stobart pull out in shannon and flybe pulling bhx route.
I was wondering would ei mainline put a 319 on bhx noc route . My travel used to do daily a320 I think 4 wkly 319 would be perfect . I would imagine fr will serve shannon from bhx when aircraft become availabl
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That is an increase of 2 flights p/w for knock. Great news for a 2015 that's not looking especially promising. This is not yet bookable from the website, where did you get this Information? Also it may only be the extra 2 flights for the months of June and July.
Ei could not/will not operate a A319 on the noc/bhx route.
1). I doubt they see a market.
2). They do not base aircraft at Knock or Birmingham
3). I really do not see any new short-haul routes for anywhere outside Dublin.
It also looks like Ryanair will start serving the UK routes from shannon from September onwards.
Ei could not/will not operate a A319 on the noc/bhx route.
1). I doubt they see a market.
2). They do not base aircraft at Knock or Birmingham
3). I really do not see any new short-haul routes for anywhere outside Dublin.
It also looks like Ryanair will start serving the UK routes from shannon from September onwards.
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That's positive you would imagine ryanair would see a decent spike in load factor on the ema service next summer which should offset pretty much the loss of pax on BHX- I'd expect also them to pick up the BHX service prob from winter onwards
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The problem is shannon are looking for a bhx route also so I would imagine they will get first pref.
I just think ei using an a319 4 wkly on a w from dub like they will do the lgw would be a runner my travel and bmi baby used to have great loads
I just think ei using an a319 4 wkly on a w from dub like they will do the lgw would be a runner my travel and bmi baby used to have great loads
