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Old 11th May 2012, 20:11
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I would say Aer Aranns history at Knock and tech issues will have been held
against them, much as I'd like to see them
mart901, I had meant to reply earlier in the week and thank you for the link to the article that showed EI operated F50, I was sure it was 146 at some point. I stand corrected!


I feel that Aer Arann's history at NOC is now largely irrelevant to most people, the ordinary man on the street will see it as booking with Aer Lingus rather than Aer Arann!!!
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Old 11th May 2012, 20:59
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Thanks for that, also you mentioned about FR bussing people into Coventry, I can remember being the sole customer from Birmingham on that bus! It did pick people up at Coventry rail station.....it was all because they'd fallen foul with BHX. A similar row errupted at LTN with an aircraft full of PAX grounded untill they paid up! Memories!

On the point of aer aranns reliability etc I would totally agree with you that it shouldnt be held against them but I would reckon they would use that to help justify giving the route over to flybe. It does look like EIR wont be appearing on the route as mentioned earlier.


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Old 11th May 2012, 21:01
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The only other carrier I could see as a long shot would be Monarch, replicating mytravellite A320 success.
One of the largest airline at BHX and very well known brand in Northern England market. They have been talking about adding more to scheduled routes. There's a lot more competition for a 320 now but they could be a good partner to have bringing in Summer charters.
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Old 11th May 2012, 21:08
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A bit of a short sector for MON indeed but some of the routes launched by them recently have been rather unusual and they are just about quirky enough to do so. They have seemed keen to slot into some of WW's shoes too. One of BHX's best known airlines.
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Old 11th May 2012, 22:33
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Where is the Sumburgh Flight gone to the last few saturday?
Is that a Lourdes flight by cityjet tomorrow from Pau Airport?
Flybe is the best to take over the BHX route with Embraer 195 and keep a jet service on this route.
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Old 11th May 2012, 22:38
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Where is the Sumburgh Flight gone to the last few saturday?
Is that a Lourdes flight by cityjet tomorrow from Pau Airport?
Flybe is the best to take over the BHX route with Embraer 195 and keep a jet service on this route.
Yes Pau is for Lourdes.

If BE do start then it will most lightly be a Dash8, still wouldn't rule Ryanair out as they may perfer to fly daily to BHX and keep EMA at lets say 3 or 4 weekly, there is room for both to operate.
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Old 12th May 2012, 01:03
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EI-EIDW - BE started the EDI route while RE to GWY was still going strong, that route was sitting there for anyone to try and credit to BE for starting it when nobody else wanted to.

Similarly LBA is a marginal enough route that they are making an effort to try out on a W routing, hopefully it is a success for them. BHX is a much more obvious route, as was LGW. Anyone could come in and make those routes work so EI are coming in search of an easy win. But as a user of the airport you'd have to favour the airline that's more willing to experiment with new routes, once you leave nationalistic sentiments aside.

Hopefully some day EI/RE will show some genuine interest in NOC. If they were really interested when they created EIR they could have routes to EDI, BHX and MAN at least by now, but they don't seem overly keen on the place for whatever reason. Hopefully that will change in the future.
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Old 12th May 2012, 12:38
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There's an assumption that BE or EIR have the aircraft and crews to operate an NOC service at present...
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Old 12th May 2012, 15:53
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Aer Lingus regional told BHX the timings and flight numbers of the BHX-NOC about five months ago when I believe they expected BMI Baby to close the route but in fact baby went the other way and increased the frequency.

EI Regional then changed their mind and in the end they added a BHX-DUB instead on the ATR42 (10.00-12.50).

However as soon as the BHX-NOC was pulled by IAG (not baby) the BHX-DUB was taken off sale from 10/6/12 by Aer Lingus, once again giving the impression that Knock was going to announced.

Apparently though the BHX-DUB ATR72 flight is back on sale although I have not seen it myself, as I can't get the EI booking engine to work on BHX-DUB. There seems little doubt the option to open the route is there aircraft wise if nothing else.

As for flybe they could do Tu-Th, Sat & Sun Knock from BHX tomorrow, (although it is never as simple as that) as they seem to have a Q400 on the ground the days the extra BHX-Jersey does not operate but it would cause some re-timings (longer flight-time)

I do believe that this aircraft does operate French routes for 6 weeks high summer although some BHX business flights do get frequency reductions during the six-week school holiday period again which would help.

It will be interesting to see if flybe think it is worth the schedule re-harsh for BHX-NOC.

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Old 12th May 2012, 16:41
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Goes to show that EI Regional will thread carefully about taking on a Jet Carrier. Can't see them having ORK MAN to themselves for very long if the economy starts to pick up.
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Old 12th May 2012, 22:46
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All very odd with EIR, would love to be a fly on the wall! It does look very much like flybe could be the one. Does anyone know who else?? Does FR have any capacity?
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Old 13th May 2012, 11:10
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LSI-NOC coming to an end due to end of the contract for the contractor Roadbridge
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Old 14th May 2012, 10:42
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Flybe/Knock Airport


If Flybe get BHX part of the deal should be that Embraer 195 be put on both routes and not lose any more pax on man route or on bhx

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Old 14th May 2012, 20:13
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Bhx April figures very strong at 70% load factor considering the service went 6 days per week. I think this route really deserves a jet service to maintain these sort of passenger volumes. Liverpool has really benefited at manchesters expense since flybe took over.
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Old 14th May 2012, 21:38
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how are loads on other UK routes ?
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Old 14th May 2012, 22:07
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Not sure loads but April CAA figures online (% change / total):

EDI +100 1006
LTN +28 7034
BHX +33 5232
LPL +29 7263
BRS +21 3260
EMA +19 4920
STN -01 8674
LGW -8 6178
MAN -44 2642
LBA N/A

What a pity to see BHX up 33% as Baby leave, increased frequency adding to it's popularity, and EMA up also, perhaps due to a FR low fare response. Really goes to show how downgrade to BE Q400 on MAN has hurt the route, be it the the aircraft, ore more likely BE fares putting people off.

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Old 15th May 2012, 08:28
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I'd say its more a case of lack of awareness that BE are operating the route. The majority of people are not bothered about the aircraft type once it gets them there
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Old 15th May 2012, 11:43
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Those figures all seem a little "iffy"- surely some marked schedule changes etc would explain some of those changes
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Old 17th May 2012, 10:06
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BHX with Aer lingus regional now official- daily from 11 June
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Old 17th May 2012, 10:47
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In time this could be a good route for one of Aer Lingus' new A319's
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