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"If higher tax's are made on avation fuel, this may help the smaller airports"
Smaller airports do not have the throughput to allow them to make the economies of scale which are possible at the larger airports. It's a bit like the supermarkets; the bigger you are, the better deal you can leverage from your suppliers. The issue of aviation fuel is a case in point. Manston doesn't use vast amounts and so, they have to pay top-whack for it. In addition, at Manston, all of the aviation fuel has to be brought down to the airport from Essex in road tankers. If fuel prices rise, they not only have to contend with the rising price of the aviation fuel, but also the rising cost of diesel for the tanker fleet. In essence, a small airport, like Manston, faces a double whammy.
All the talk about cargo tonnages seems a bit glossy to me. What actually matters is not the raw tonnage, but how much money you are making from it. As I recall, Planestation weren't making much out of MK. They tried to increase the fees and MK went to Ostend. MK may be back but I don't know how much Infratil are making from it.
Smaller airports do not have the throughput to allow them to make the economies of scale which are possible at the larger airports. It's a bit like the supermarkets; the bigger you are, the better deal you can leverage from your suppliers. The issue of aviation fuel is a case in point. Manston doesn't use vast amounts and so, they have to pay top-whack for it. In addition, at Manston, all of the aviation fuel has to be brought down to the airport from Essex in road tankers. If fuel prices rise, they not only have to contend with the rising price of the aviation fuel, but also the rising cost of diesel for the tanker fleet. In essence, a small airport, like Manston, faces a double whammy.
All the talk about cargo tonnages seems a bit glossy to me. What actually matters is not the raw tonnage, but how much money you are making from it. As I recall, Planestation weren't making much out of MK. They tried to increase the fees and MK went to Ostend. MK may be back but I don't know how much Infratil are making from it.
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“The issue of aviation fuel is a case in point.”
MK has now three Europe bases on a mere 240 miles distance, LUX, MSE and right in between OST, only 65 miles away from MSE. However, this aberation seems for MK yet preferable by the only promise given by the Ostend Council of providing in a near future fuel brought in by ships at its harbour. Should such opportunity be created in Ramsgate, MK certainly might be convinced to increase substantially its come back to MSE. We now see sometimes MK a/c visiting the three EU-bases in succession. What a waste of time and money.
MK has now three Europe bases on a mere 240 miles distance, LUX, MSE and right in between OST, only 65 miles away from MSE. However, this aberation seems for MK yet preferable by the only promise given by the Ostend Council of providing in a near future fuel brought in by ships at its harbour. Should such opportunity be created in Ramsgate, MK certainly might be convinced to increase substantially its come back to MSE. We now see sometimes MK a/c visiting the three EU-bases in succession. What a waste of time and money.
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Manston
Blimey lads, Manston off page 1, relegated to page 3.
Cum on there must be something going on or the doom and gloomers will have more ammunition to fire off!!
Greetings from shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Cum on there must be something going on or the doom and gloomers will have more ammunition to fire off!!
Greetings from shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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Rumour Review
So here we are at the beginning of December, the month when Esperia were due to start at MSE.
Extravagant claims were made for this venture - some contributors even claiming to have been interviewed for work with this airline.
Is Esperia at MSE?
Nope.
What I personally find particularly irksome is the handling by our local press.
The venture was plastered all over the Isle of Thanet Gazette back in Autumn, but now it's non-occurence is quietly forgotten.
Sadly, this is typical of the unbalanced, unrealistic view of MSE which is constantly fed to the poor fools of Thanet.
Extravagant claims were made for this venture - some contributors even claiming to have been interviewed for work with this airline.
Is Esperia at MSE?
Nope.
What I personally find particularly irksome is the handling by our local press.
The venture was plastered all over the Isle of Thanet Gazette back in Autumn, but now it's non-occurence is quietly forgotten.
Sadly, this is typical of the unbalanced, unrealistic view of MSE which is constantly fed to the poor fools of Thanet.
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Esperia
You should note that there was one organisation who said nothing about Esperia and that was the airport owners Infratil!
They do not entertain rumour and heresay.
When a deal is done I believe they will announce it, stand by it and it will happen, but there are too many dreamers out there.
More large reels of cable delivered this week. Must be for the traffic lights on the dual carriageway!!
MDIS
They do not entertain rumour and heresay.
When a deal is done I believe they will announce it, stand by it and it will happen, but there are too many dreamers out there.
More large reels of cable delivered this week. Must be for the traffic lights on the dual carriageway!!
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ah ha. Deedave. I knew my post would reawaken some responses from the knockers.However, you are right about Esperia they seem to have gone very quiet.Back on the page 1 now tho.One day might be for the right reason. Lets hope so.
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Summit Aviation
Large sign being erected today on the Industrial Park
"Summit Aviation building a new 80,000 sq ft jet engine maintenance facility opening Summer 2007"
Summit are currently based in Broadstairs and also have a facility in Gloucester.
Looks like Infratil are continuing to do what they promised and attracting aviation support companies to the Airport.
MDIS
"Summit Aviation building a new 80,000 sq ft jet engine maintenance facility opening Summer 2007"
Summit are currently based in Broadstairs and also have a facility in Gloucester.
Looks like Infratil are continuing to do what they promised and attracting aviation support companies to the Airport.
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Back in September, Jes posted a rumour that there would be 2 new cargo operators at MSE before Christmas.
As there is only a fortnight to go, does anyone know if an announcement is due, or is this rumour without foundation ?
As there is only a fortnight to go, does anyone know if an announcement is due, or is this rumour without foundation ?
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Manston Cargo
I am on the side of the flight path of runway 28
I see MK some time 1 or 2 a day, some must be loaded out as I saw one very low off the end of the runway two weeks ago.
Also Egypt Air cargo I think about 4 a week come in.
And the odd cargo plane. I don't see all
In the last week I noticed a BA 747 doing touch and go,s, and Virgin was about.
The Airport has been advising for a cargo manager £25k.
A lot of works been done, new radar system, lighting ,the whole place must have been rewired, trenchs over the whole airport. all the work is safety related.
The man I talk to tells me lots will happen next year.
Just have to wait and see.
I think the Airport will be around for a while yet.
With all the talk about Esperia, the only one that never said a word was Infratil, I dont think there say a word about any new traffic untill a deal is done and dusted.
They may not even give a press release about cargo.
I see MK some time 1 or 2 a day, some must be loaded out as I saw one very low off the end of the runway two weeks ago.
Also Egypt Air cargo I think about 4 a week come in.
And the odd cargo plane. I don't see all
In the last week I noticed a BA 747 doing touch and go,s, and Virgin was about.
The Airport has been advising for a cargo manager £25k.
A lot of works been done, new radar system, lighting ,the whole place must have been rewired, trenchs over the whole airport. all the work is safety related.
The man I talk to tells me lots will happen next year.
Just have to wait and see.
I think the Airport will be around for a while yet.
With all the talk about Esperia, the only one that never said a word was Infratil, I dont think there say a word about any new traffic untill a deal is done and dusted.
They may not even give a press release about cargo.
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Cargo
DAS Air should be operating again soon.
Well said Herne Bay, Infratil dont shout about potential deals until they are set in stone.
The wiring is for new taxiway lighting and the installation of the replacement radar. Lighting is delayed because a quantity of copper wire was stolen !!
MDIS
Well said Herne Bay, Infratil dont shout about potential deals until they are set in stone.
The wiring is for new taxiway lighting and the installation of the replacement radar. Lighting is delayed because a quantity of copper wire was stolen !!
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I confess I'd forgotten all about the EU ban on Das Air Cargo.
I suppose in a sense, rather than acquiring 2 new operators in the run up to Xmas, we actually managed to lose one!
Interesting that MSE need a new cargo manager.
Who was doing the job before?
£25k seems a pitifully small salary.
I suppose in a sense, rather than acquiring 2 new operators in the run up to Xmas, we actually managed to lose one!
Interesting that MSE need a new cargo manager.
Who was doing the job before?
£25k seems a pitifully small salary.
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DAS Air should be operating again soon.
Well said Herne Bay, Infratil dont shout about potential deals until they are set in stone.
The wiring is for new taxiway lighting and the installation of the replacement radar. Lighting is delayed because a quantity of copper wire was stolen !!
MDIS
Well said Herne Bay, Infratil dont shout about potential deals until they are set in stone.
The wiring is for new taxiway lighting and the installation of the replacement radar. Lighting is delayed because a quantity of copper wire was stolen !!
MDIS
Have DAS been given a the go-ahead to return to the EU skies?
And copper wire I hear can be up to thousands of pounds if they sell it.
James
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We have talked about lots of things on this forum the cost of air fuel , transport links.
Two things in the news this last week, landing charges at BAA airport are going up, and more runways at Heathrow and Stanstead.
Am I on my own but, to get into Heathrow is now a nightmare, the M25 is grid locked, its ok if your flight is weekends, I had a flight at 11.00 on a Thusday left at Herne Bay at 06.00 and got to the check in at 10.40 I got on, a BA flight.
But would never do it again, it the same from south east London.
Gatwick is better you can avoid the M25 and M23 some times, but for passengers west of london it must be bad.
Stanstead is much better, for peple on the east side of london, But I did spend 5 hours on a friday night on the M11 and M25
Public transport is fine to all Airport if you live in central London.
If you live out in the sticks, you try going to a London airport with two children by public transport from say Canterbury. And the cost !!!!. it as much as you flights.
I am not saying that Manston easy to get to for all , its not, but for a big part of the south east it is.
Two things in the news this last week, landing charges at BAA airport are going up, and more runways at Heathrow and Stanstead.
Am I on my own but, to get into Heathrow is now a nightmare, the M25 is grid locked, its ok if your flight is weekends, I had a flight at 11.00 on a Thusday left at Herne Bay at 06.00 and got to the check in at 10.40 I got on, a BA flight.
But would never do it again, it the same from south east London.
Gatwick is better you can avoid the M25 and M23 some times, but for passengers west of london it must be bad.
Stanstead is much better, for peple on the east side of london, But I did spend 5 hours on a friday night on the M11 and M25
Public transport is fine to all Airport if you live in central London.
If you live out in the sticks, you try going to a London airport with two children by public transport from say Canterbury. And the cost !!!!. it as much as you flights.
I am not saying that Manston easy to get to for all , its not, but for a big part of the south east it is.
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Herne Bay exaggerates the difficulty of getting to Heathrow or Stansted from Kent. A couple of weeks ago I tried to get up to Maidstone from Thanet. The police had shut the M2 following an accident. I sat in the traffic for an hour or so and then tried to get off onto the A2. Everyone else had tried the same thing and the A2 was completely jammed. Eventually, after three hours, I gave up, turned around and went home. It is highly misleading to suggest that East Kent is easily accessible. There's basically one road in and one road out. If that road gets blocked you're stuffed.
If it were economically viable to open routes for the South-East it's far better to do it from Gatwick than Manston, because it's far more central and has a bigger catchment area. What you seem to be suggesting is that it's economically viable to operate routes from Manston that are not considered to be economically viable from Gatwick. Poppycock.
If it were economically viable to open routes for the South-East it's far better to do it from Gatwick than Manston, because it's far more central and has a bigger catchment area. What you seem to be suggesting is that it's economically viable to operate routes from Manston that are not considered to be economically viable from Gatwick. Poppycock.
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I am not saying Manston should have lots of flights.
But to say that thanet has one road in is no quite true can can use the a2 or m20 or come up the coast route.
I can only talk about my own trips.
In the last year I been on 8 flights 4 from Stanstead 3 by car and one by train all with out any problems, one did take me a while to get home, by train was ok but I the train fare was about £37 each way and a taxi from VIC to LPOOL ST was about £12 each way and about 3 hours + and you have to give you self a hour or so for check in.
The 2 flights from Gatwick. (I give myself 4 hours by road). One I was ok, but did get into a mess, with long term parking once, (transfers one per hour from park to Airport )very stress full.
I used to drive two to three times a week round the M25 to work in Swindon the road has just to much traffic, Its just full, perhaps charging you use it may help.
I have used London City which I found very good I used a taxi up and back.
What is the point of building more runways at these Airport when the transport links are no good.
What would be good for Kent is Rail links to Gatwick, Heathrow even Stanstead.
Say Ramsgate to Gatwick via canterbury tonbridge, a Tunbridge Well Gatwick used to run.
For me Manston is in the right place, I live near it.
And flights to Spain and Ireland would save me hours, and I would pay a little more for a no hassle trip.
And I am sure it would for a large area of the south east.
We will have have to wait and see.
But to say that thanet has one road in is no quite true can can use the a2 or m20 or come up the coast route.
I can only talk about my own trips.
In the last year I been on 8 flights 4 from Stanstead 3 by car and one by train all with out any problems, one did take me a while to get home, by train was ok but I the train fare was about £37 each way and a taxi from VIC to LPOOL ST was about £12 each way and about 3 hours + and you have to give you self a hour or so for check in.
The 2 flights from Gatwick. (I give myself 4 hours by road). One I was ok, but did get into a mess, with long term parking once, (transfers one per hour from park to Airport )very stress full.
I used to drive two to three times a week round the M25 to work in Swindon the road has just to much traffic, Its just full, perhaps charging you use it may help.
I have used London City which I found very good I used a taxi up and back.
What is the point of building more runways at these Airport when the transport links are no good.
What would be good for Kent is Rail links to Gatwick, Heathrow even Stanstead.
Say Ramsgate to Gatwick via canterbury tonbridge, a Tunbridge Well Gatwick used to run.
For me Manston is in the right place, I live near it.
And flights to Spain and Ireland would save me hours, and I would pay a little more for a no hassle trip.
And I am sure it would for a large area of the south east.
We will have have to wait and see.