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Manchester does not need another airport. As has already been mentioned there are plenty of existing opportunities on the airport site for further expansion, and the airport itself has arguably struggled over recent years to get a strong foothold into the longhaul and low-cost markets, though this is beginning to change. Spill-over capacity from when MAN does reach full capacity, which is still some time away, can come in the form of LPL & BLK as has already been stated. Also consider the fact, and sorry to call anything north of Watford Gap the north, that there are two struggling airports in the form of Sheffield which is on the brink of closure and Humberside which is just keeping its head above the water. There is already capacity which can be found from existing UK airports, and when the time is right, this capacity will be reached not by launching new airports but expanding existing ones.
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Extend the taxiways between 24R/06L and 24L/06R and build a cow shed for the lowcosts over on the South Side, fed by the Wilmslow Road and an extension of the Heald Green bypass.
Problem solved and no need to open anything else in Cheshire with the NIMBYs howling at full throttle. Doing any kind of airline related expansion at Woodford would unleash a s**tstorm of planning objections and all kinds of Swampy protests.
There also isn't the road infrastructure in the Woodford area to handle the traffic. Sticking a new (cheap) terminal up that hill from the Moat House could be a good plan, but the Powers That Be don't always think in straightforward terms, do they?
Problem solved and no need to open anything else in Cheshire with the NIMBYs howling at full throttle. Doing any kind of airline related expansion at Woodford would unleash a s**tstorm of planning objections and all kinds of Swampy protests.
There also isn't the road infrastructure in the Woodford area to handle the traffic. Sticking a new (cheap) terminal up that hill from the Moat House could be a good plan, but the Powers That Be don't always think in straightforward terms, do they?
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LBIA beat me too it...
...Manchester has 2 airports and Ringway is the second!
Forget Woodford on two counts
1) BAe - nuff said, couldn't organise it.
2) The Air traffic scenario. Their ops are dependant and MAN and would be adversely affected, nullifying the advantage.
Barton is likely to fill the niche market for Business/top end GA that will enivitably get squeezed at MAN. Early morning departure slots ad hoc are already getting hard to come by.
Once Peel ease LAC out of the way (Mar April 07) expect a master plan that shows a lit hard surface rwy. With GPS non-precision approaches just over the horizon the small number of lost landings will outweigh the savings in an ILS.
2010 or there abouts. Bet ya!
Sir George Cayley
Forget Woodford on two counts
1) BAe - nuff said, couldn't organise it.
2) The Air traffic scenario. Their ops are dependant and MAN and would be adversely affected, nullifying the advantage.
Barton is likely to fill the niche market for Business/top end GA that will enivitably get squeezed at MAN. Early morning departure slots ad hoc are already getting hard to come by.
Once Peel ease LAC out of the way (Mar April 07) expect a master plan that shows a lit hard surface rwy. With GPS non-precision approaches just over the horizon the small number of lost landings will outweigh the savings in an ILS.
2010 or there abouts. Bet ya!
Sir George Cayley
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Terminal 3 apron extension?
Went to get some fresh air to clear the head this afternoon and noticed a couple of planning application notices on Ringway Road.
One related to the demolition of the thatched cottage opposite the 24R holding bay. The second and more interesting was with regards to the closure/diversion of Ringway Road and the revised use of said road and parts of the longstay carpark for Aprons.
Whilst I did make a note of the website, I failed to note the application number (possibly a job for tomorrow?), and a search of the Manchester City planning site produced no hits.
Anybody got any more information.
Oh, and before I forget, Happy Christmas one and all.
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One related to the demolition of the thatched cottage opposite the 24R holding bay. The second and more interesting was with regards to the closure/diversion of Ringway Road and the revised use of said road and parts of the longstay carpark for Aprons.
Whilst I did make a note of the website, I failed to note the application number (possibly a job for tomorrow?), and a search of the Manchester City planning site produced no hits.
Anybody got any more information.
Oh, and before I forget, Happy Christmas one and all.
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Christmas is a good time to bury bad news 
The thatched cottage is a listed building, so an inquiry will be required. It's been boarded up for years, yet strangely none of the local wildlife ever broke in and burned it down. I hope it can be saved, or at least relocated elsewhere for posterity.
MAN desperately needs more apron, and old Ringway Road is not really needed now except to access internal sites that will be demolished anyway. Pity they didn't buy the land near the Etrop Grange that the two carparks are on, or the site that's now an empty business park, when they had the chance.
I believe some people were trying to get B217 listed due to its importance in WW2. Where did that campaign get to?
The thatched cottage is a listed building, so an inquiry will be required. It's been boarded up for years, yet strangely none of the local wildlife ever broke in and burned it down. I hope it can be saved, or at least relocated elsewhere for posterity.
MAN desperately needs more apron, and old Ringway Road is not really needed now except to access internal sites that will be demolished anyway. Pity they didn't buy the land near the Etrop Grange that the two carparks are on, or the site that's now an empty business park, when they had the chance.
I believe some people were trying to get B217 listed due to its importance in WW2. Where did that campaign get to?
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There is capacity overall in the NW. If people want to fly, they'll find a route somewhere that meets their needs of convenience and cost.
If airlines find demand for a route pair, they'll supply a route from a NW airport to meet it.
MAN is a mature airport as recent pax figures show. Any capacity for new routes/pax will be at a higher marginal cost, and lower marginal efficiency/convenience/ease of use.
It is more likely that other NW airports with capacity to provide it to airlines and pax at a lower marginal cost & a greater marginal benefit will grow to increase overall NW capacity.
That's the free market. It's only political influencing that distorts it; something MA PLC has always been good at.
If airlines find demand for a route pair, they'll supply a route from a NW airport to meet it.
MAN is a mature airport as recent pax figures show. Any capacity for new routes/pax will be at a higher marginal cost, and lower marginal efficiency/convenience/ease of use.
It is more likely that other NW airports with capacity to provide it to airlines and pax at a lower marginal cost & a greater marginal benefit will grow to increase overall NW capacity.
That's the free market. It's only political influencing that distorts it; something MA PLC has always been good at.
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[QUOTE=Momentary Lapse;3037121]Christmas is a good time to bury bad news
Actually the notices - if I remember correctly are dated 7th November. I'm surprised that nobody has raised the subject on this thread before. Obviously we should all get out and about more - rather than driving and sailing past notices of importance!!
Actually the notices - if I remember correctly are dated 7th November. I'm surprised that nobody has raised the subject on this thread before. Obviously we should all get out and about more - rather than driving and sailing past notices of importance!!
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What would be the point? You can fire a cannon down the runways at MAN most of the time without much risk of hitting anything.
Another airport equals extra cost and duplication in terms of ATC/OPS/Engineering/Ramp Handling etc, when all these things are already available at MAN. Plus the chances of building another airport in the UK in the present climate are considerably lower than bugger all.
Another airport equals extra cost and duplication in terms of ATC/OPS/Engineering/Ramp Handling etc, when all these things are already available at MAN. Plus the chances of building another airport in the UK in the present climate are considerably lower than bugger all.
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As some people have said, manchester dosent need a new airport, the 'Terminal 4' issue at manchester has been talked about for ages, but just to build it for low cost carriers wouldn't be very cost effective.
I personal dont think there is a need for t4, maybe a revamp of t1 (ie the piers) would do ringway much better.
O and the reason Manchester is more expensive than lpl, just look at last week (ie week b4 christmas). I didnt hear of any flights diverting to lpl
I personal dont think there is a need for t4, maybe a revamp of t1 (ie the piers) would do ringway much better.
O and the reason Manchester is more expensive than lpl, just look at last week (ie week b4 christmas). I didnt hear of any flights diverting to lpl
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Terminal 3 extension plans
Thanks to a member of another site for providing the correct application number and date for access to the plans for Terminal 3 apron expansion plans.
The link for the application is as follows:
www:manchester.gov.uk/planning/publicaccess. Go to applications and the application number is 081134/FO/2006/S2.
As would eb expected there are a large number of documents to be perused and very informative they are.
Scottie Dog
The link for the application is as follows:
www:manchester.gov.uk/planning/publicaccess. Go to applications and the application number is 081134/FO/2006/S2.
As would eb expected there are a large number of documents to be perused and very informative they are.
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Also look at :
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/stan...ews-241206.htm
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MAN already has a lo cost terminal. Its called T3. It was built on a tight budget, check out the painted breeze block walls and lino floors ! Baby already use it and as soon as that BACON lot move out its open for Flybe.
T1 as much as they tart it up and adapt its still a 1960s building that is not on par with modern terminals.
If money could be made available I think that T3 should be expanded ASAP (as per plans) T2 extended to the west and then T1 completely knocked down and rebuilt.
T1 as much as they tart it up and adapt its still a 1960s building that is not on par with modern terminals.
If money could be made available I think that T3 should be expanded ASAP (as per plans) T2 extended to the west and then T1 completely knocked down and rebuilt.
MAN777 is pretty much right. Now BA has thrown the towel in, all Lo Co ops should move to T3. All longhaul & full service / legacy scheduled operators (DLH,SAS etc) moved to T2. Leaving T1 for charter & pseudo scheduled operators MON,MYT,TOM etc).
Mind you T2 is in desperate need of gate seats with cushions as the present seating has disintergrated.
Sell Humberside & Bournemouth & raise some cash, so that T1 can be virtually demolished & rebuilt. It fails on every count as a modern terminal. Falling apart, leaking, creaking, umpteen different levels & a nightmare obsticle course, how long can you go on patching up a 1960s building?
Mind you T2 is in desperate need of gate seats with cushions as the present seating has disintergrated.
Sell Humberside & Bournemouth & raise some cash, so that T1 can be virtually demolished & rebuilt. It fails on every count as a modern terminal. Falling apart, leaking, creaking, umpteen different levels & a nightmare obsticle course, how long can you go on patching up a 1960s building?
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Change of tack (From future to past)
Can anyone tell me the dates that 20/02 and 28/10 were NOTAMd as closed to traffic and what was the last movement either in and or out.
Thanks in anticipation.
Be lucky
David
Thanks in anticipation.
Be lucky
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Airside work has started on the new food court area, the old area by security will be turned into more security space, once the new one is finished.
The new area is going to be above where Starbucks was (starbucks will be in the same place once its all finished).
Burger King and all round that area is going to go upstairs in the new part of T1. Not sure when its all going to be finished, id hazard a guess at early summer 07.
The new area is going to be above where Starbucks was (starbucks will be in the same place once its all finished).
Burger King and all round that area is going to go upstairs in the new part of T1. Not sure when its all going to be finished, id hazard a guess at early summer 07.
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Uk Centre for LoCost Long Haul - Manchester?
Well nice start to 2007 with Air Asia and Jestar possibly looking at Manchester.
With Long Haul in the South East saturated what do people think about MAN as the UKs potential lo cost long haul hub ?
With a massive network already in place based mainly on domestic and European services, the opportunities for locost long haul to India, Hong Kong, rest of far east Australia, must be massive, especially as yields from 1st class should not be a factor.
With Long Haul in the South East saturated what do people think about MAN as the UKs potential lo cost long haul hub ?
With a massive network already in place based mainly on domestic and European services, the opportunities for locost long haul to India, Hong Kong, rest of far east Australia, must be massive, especially as yields from 1st class should not be a factor.