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Old 31st Jan 2007, 21:02
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Sorry to be blunt, but has this ORY route been confirmed yet?
 
Old 31st Jan 2007, 21:10
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No, well its not on sale yet anyway. Theres also been no press realeses on the subject. Anyone have any ideas when its going up for sale?
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Old 31st Jan 2007, 21:13
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oh i dont know if this has already been mentioned but heres some news on airport developement

Air passengers in Wales can look forward to getting their luggage faster after flying into Cardiff International Airport thanks to a new baggage carousel.
The £2m scheme will create a new baggage collection hall - complete with an international-standard conveyor belt - to ensure the two million passengers who use the expanding airport will not be left frustrated, waiting for their suitcase to reach them on the carousel.

heres the link

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...name_page.html
 
Old 1st Feb 2007, 06:45
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TOM

Anybody else noticed the TOM adverts in the Western Mail / Echo over the last couple of weeks? Some days it's 29 destinations from CWL, others it's 30! What's all that about?

If I could be bothered I'd have a count up.

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Old 1st Feb 2007, 15:03
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I am sure that it is 30, or is that 31?

BTW, does anyone know when the Orly flight is planned to go up fopr sale?

But "A" daily 737 just doesn't work. The Paris route from Cardiff has traditionally been a business route, with the route paid for by the boys and girls in Club, or paying Y class tickets. So it has to be double daily. So that is 600 seats per day with a 737. Baby would want to fill at least 500 of those, and at a sensible yield that covers the nasty costs of CDG. That just won't happen any time soon from this part of the world, I am afraid.
Totally agree CWL doesnt support that sort/ and that large a market of Biz types to Paris, when BRS is a 'mere' 2 and more hours away, or there is ofcourse via AMS with KLM/AF, after all all the KLM CWL flights have a AF flight number.
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Old 1st Feb 2007, 15:58
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Any KLM Business passenger would stick to using the current CWL - AMS - CDG route just because of the frequent flyer cards that it offers and the benafits.

And as the report suggests a 2m investment which will cut down on the wait of passengers collecting their luggage. That is a laugh, especially it's the amount of staff offloading the planes not how many belts they got. They don't care putting 3 flights on one belt if theres enough boys to offload them the same time.

All this rumours about a paris route, i just been given another one of the senior staff at work. It has been accepted now that the 4th WW a/c will not be coming to cardiff this year. But one of the captains asked the dispatcher if they were aware of loosing one of the baby's, which would explain the loss of the daily glasgow. After discussions with that senior membor of staff they then told me that it is not true as the scheduling has gone out but a paris flight may be one of them but it is a possibility, but they did mention the high price of landing fees at paris.

Did anyone go to the consultative meeting?

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Old 1st Feb 2007, 19:46
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Any KLM Business passenger would stick to using the current CWL - AMS - CDG route just because of the frequent flyer cards that it offers and the benafits
Exactly right. The problem with Paris is that the BA regulars who, to a large part made this service work from Cardiff, doing the trip a lot and paying the big fares, did it with BA for the Executive Club benefits.... when BA pulled out, a lot of them will have decamped to BRS to carry on flying BA. Will they come back to Cardiff? I doubt it in many cases - they have got used to what they are doing, and most peope who travel like this (myself included) are creatures of habit.

I can't see baby going back to CDG. Why would they, when they tried it and it was nasty for them (hence the 6G operation of it at the end) and where are they going to get CDG slots from??

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Old 1st Feb 2007, 20:20
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But aren't BA CON pulling out of BRS so the service to Paris with BA will cease so no executive club points?

I'm too out of touch with what is going on to really comment, I do hope that the Airport though and the WAG will have taken account of the comments made in the Report regarding the Super Casino.
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Old 1st Feb 2007, 20:29
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A good point, and one this red wine had made me forget

I do hope that the Airport though and the WAG will have taken account of the comments made in the Report regarding the Super Casino
Amen to that....

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Old 1st Feb 2007, 20:38
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but could it get the slots
Indeed. Could baby get them back off mainline either?

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Old 2nd Feb 2007, 10:15
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A question for those with a close interest in CWL:-

How many airlines have served Paris from CWL in the last 10-15 years and how long on average have these lasted before being pulled?
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Old 2nd Feb 2007, 10:35
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CDG

6G did the route for baby so that mainline could keep the slots. You will have noted that this was the only baby flight that 6G operated under a WW flight number. The cost where astronomical for an ATR. 6G lost a lot of money on that route and yes it is down to yield looking at BRS BA will keep the slots they are too valuable. FlyBe is changing from a true Loco cost will rise and fares will too hence yield goes up. This will then attract the business flyer. On the subject of the slots 6G did apply for slots at CDG but did not even get a reply from the slot co-ordinator hence the use of WW numbers. Lets get real if you want a Paris ex CWL you need to define your market and then use the airport thats best for your situation for Loco with pax for EuroDisney you need to look to Beauvais if your market is Paris for leisure then look at Pontoise as Debonair did. Twinaisle is right the business pax has left CWL and is now a creature of habit also business travel is declining as we use internet video confrencing e-mails etc etc......

Any one heard anything on OneWales who have put in interest for the PSO route?
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Old 2nd Feb 2007, 11:40
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Who`s "ONEWALES" is this the north south link???Tell us more
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For someone with as little inside knowledge on the management and running of CWL, you sure do have a lot to say for yourself.

I suggest you keep doing that pathetic job of yours, and never consider a career in journalism, professional commentating or for that matter, managing an international business.

Good luck with your homework...

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Old 2nd Feb 2007, 16:42
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OneWales

pipertommy i have it on good authority that a company called OneWales have shown an interest in the CWL to Valley link using a Metroliner. Does any one have any idea who they are?
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Never heard of them before Would be good to see a new Welsh airline in Cwl
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Old 2nd Feb 2007, 17:44
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Means nothing to me, or indeed to Companies House...

There is a OneWay Airlines though... a mishearing? And they are looking likely to be struck off the register. Daft name for an airline anyway!!

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Old 2nd Feb 2007, 19:48
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Doesn't CWL look like it is putting all its eggs in one basket if it confirms the ORY route? If baby aren't keen on expansion soon we could see TOM become the dominant low fares airline at CWL much like CVT and DSA. Jersey, Faro are two mentioned where TOM has taken on these routes and have seen baby cut back as a result. Now that TOM is also providing BCN and possibly ORY what will this mean for baby and for any BE expansion? Mind you both BCN and ORY seem to be much cheaper than EZY's alternatives at BRS. Just tested the prices and on the same day its 44.50 return from CVT (ORY) and around 60.00 from BRS with EZY.

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Evening all.

It would be great if there was a link to Cardiff again saves driving from Bristol down to West Wales.

As for BMIbaby, if you look at the flights for Summer 07, it looks as though there will be only two a/c based there.

Take the Monday 4th of June - there is a 6:50am departure to Edi and a 6:00am depature to AGP. No other depature until after 10am.

The only possible explanation could be new routes which could be announced prior to the summer schedules.

Any thoughts?
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Old 2nd Feb 2007, 21:00
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We can all but hope, i think WW is pritty keen on expanding at BHX at the mo and they have been stepping down 1 or 2 services from cardiff, if they were to launch a new route i couldnt possibly see any where on their current route map that would be an immediate hit in-time for the summer. best of luck to them at CWL i hope that TOM make a go of it CWL and really expand there

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