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Key issue here is that they have a high proportion who arrive on the DLR as opposed to parking their cars, and a significant number of the rest use taxi/Addison Lee, who contribute nothing. From my experiences elsewhere on LCY-type trips I spend little on the catering and rarely anything at the shops, but get some substantial bills for car parking. It's ironic that a "green emphasis" on public transport cuts the operator off from one of the key revenue earners at airports nowadays.
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All in all, whether permission for expansion is granted or not, I suspect LCY is a relative cash-cow for an investor...whether it will realise the £2b price tag is, in my opinion, dependent on the liklihood of approval for expansion. An investor with a pessimistic outlook might look at £1.5b as providing a realistic return on the investment, an optimist might look at £2b and think that was a good price. In reality I suspect, if timescales go to plan before the planning decision, the airport will go for somewhere between the two.
Only partly right Three of those diversions were UK domestics and landed at SEN well before the LCY curfew.
Whatever the reason it would seem that while LCY was slot restricted SEN was not, so the airlines were able to plan those flights into SEN.
Now that SEN has its own CTA/CTR that is contiguous with the LTMA presumably SEN arrivals from the north can avoid the need to work Thames Radar ?
Whatever the reason it would seem that while LCY was slot restricted SEN was not, so the airlines were able to plan those flights into SEN.
Now that SEN has its own CTA/CTR that is contiguous with the LTMA presumably SEN arrivals from the north can avoid the need to work Thames Radar ?
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Speaking of BA CityFlyer...huge increase in movements, and word also of more E190s to come? (Will need crews of course!) Now the dominant carrier at LCY. Not sure that the Greek routes will return next summer but who knows?
The Greek flights have been busy, with very good Club loads. Not sure how many flights have required pax or baggae to be offloaded due to weight restrictions.
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Yes you're probably correct in saying that arrivals from the north (there were two EDI-LCY flights that diverted) probably meant that they could land at SEN despite the Thames Radar restrictions that prevented their arrival at LCY.
Yes you're probably correct in saying that arrivals from the north (there were two EDI-LCY flights that diverted) probably meant that they could land at SEN despite the Thames Radar restrictions that prevented their arrival at LCY.
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Anyone having information about the percentage of transfer pax at LCY? Is it negligible or has it increased?
Was on a BA EDI-LCY flight yesterday and the FA was stickering a couple of boarding passes with "transfer stickers". Not that those were of any use as you had to join the general queue at security. But as I was not the only pax connecting, I was wondering if implementing an improved transfer experience is something LCY woud consider, given the increasing number of destinations around the British Isles that can now be reached from the continent via LCY and the lack of connectivity or the hassle at other LON airports.
Was on a BA EDI-LCY flight yesterday and the FA was stickering a couple of boarding passes with "transfer stickers". Not that those were of any use as you had to join the general queue at security. But as I was not the only pax connecting, I was wondering if implementing an improved transfer experience is something LCY woud consider, given the increasing number of destinations around the British Isles that can now be reached from the continent via LCY and the lack of connectivity or the hassle at other LON airports.
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I've no idea if it's increased since then, but the latest CAA survey (2013) showed only 2.6% of LCY's pax were connecting. And the CAA's survey methodology would pick up self-connects.
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If I have my maths right, that is 140 per day. But 2013 was before destination like Aberdeen, Exeter, Guernsey or Belfast came online (not sure about the start of Isle of Man and Jersey). Not all of those are exactly easy to get to from the continent.
I have connected to DUS through LCY from EDI, GLA and IOM. For IOM, it was the only LON option, For GLA and EDI, I found the experience to be much better (and quicker) than the alternative, connecting through LHR T5.
I have connected to DUS through LCY from EDI, GLA and IOM. For IOM, it was the only LON option, For GLA and EDI, I found the experience to be much better (and quicker) than the alternative, connecting through LHR T5.
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Thanks for the info about the diversions to SEN.. the Captain on our flight said it was down to staff sickness at ATC... all a bit strange.
Anyway , they were well organized at Southend and there was a coach waiting to take us back to LCY.. and we were given letters explaining our travel options from SEN.
Anyway , they were well organized at Southend and there was a coach waiting to take us back to LCY.. and we were given letters explaining our travel options from SEN.
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I recall some years ago being on a VLM F50 to Rotterdam, holding on the ramp for a connecting passenger from Manchester. They arrived at an adjacent gate, and the dispatcher walked them across, getting a bag out of the hold as they came. Probably not allowed now.
I've never directly met anyone connecting through LCY. But I've encountered quite a few connecting from incoming there to outbound from Heathrow, arriving from an origin which has plenty of LHR service. As they all seemed business travellers, always struck me as madness by a corporate travel agent selling that. They never seemed to have any idea how to make the transfer, and for one American (AMS-LCY-LHR-somewhere in US) it was a revelation on arrival at LCY that they were going to have to change airports at all, across London which they had never been to before, and had no UK currency.
I've never directly met anyone connecting through LCY. But I've encountered quite a few connecting from incoming there to outbound from Heathrow, arriving from an origin which has plenty of LHR service. As they all seemed business travellers, always struck me as madness by a corporate travel agent selling that. They never seemed to have any idea how to make the transfer, and for one American (AMS-LCY-LHR-somewhere in US) it was a revelation on arrival at LCY that they were going to have to change airports at all, across London which they had never been to before, and had no UK currency.
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BA sells those LCY/LHR connections just as they sell LGW/LHR itineraries. Sometimes those connections will pop up as the quickest or cheapest option on top of the list of offered flights. Quite tricky for passengers who are not familiar with the London airport landscape.
The fact that BA now stickers boarding passes with a red "transfer" label suggests that connections are not really one-offs, but occur to a certain extent. If security is crowded, the sticker apparently allows the connecting passenger to jump the queue as the guard next to the security barrier will allow them to take a shot-cut to the nearest security lane.
The fact that BA now stickers boarding passes with a red "transfer" label suggests that connections are not really one-offs, but occur to a certain extent. If security is crowded, the sticker apparently allows the connecting passenger to jump the queue as the guard next to the security barrier will allow them to take a shot-cut to the nearest security lane.
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The BA fleet does seem to have got to the size where a spare/maintenance aircraft is needed. I get the impression that BA used to do a lot of chartering in from Titan etc to cover unserviceabilities, but now seem to go for cancellations on the higher frequency routes instead, just shuffling passengers and aircraft around.
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Good to see an extra E-Jet coming. If you follow another site you will see that cityflyer bring in aircrafy from 2-3 other companies to cover downtime for the cityflyer fleet.
Personally I think we might see more aircraft for cityflyer soon
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Personally I think we might see more aircraft for cityflyer soon
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Passenger numbers
Looks like LCY has overtaken Aberdeen in terms of pax numbers, not far off Liverpool either (albeit Liverpool will keep a good lead in August - LCY's quietest month historically).
I'd expect LCY to overhaul Liverpool by the year end though....who's next? 2016 could bring the airport close to handling the same number of passengers as Belfast International & East Midlands. A year or two after that (depending on the next mayor!) and LCY might breach 5m pax/yr.
Tantalising prospect for the next potential owner?
Although if/when LCY breaches 5m pax it will no longer be in the "small airport" category come awards time....I'm guessing there is a "medium airport" category? Which airports win in that area at the moment??
I'd expect LCY to overhaul Liverpool by the year end though....who's next? 2016 could bring the airport close to handling the same number of passengers as Belfast International & East Midlands. A year or two after that (depending on the next mayor!) and LCY might breach 5m pax/yr.
Tantalising prospect for the next potential owner?
Although if/when LCY breaches 5m pax it will no longer be in the "small airport" category come awards time....I'm guessing there is a "medium airport" category? Which airports win in that area at the moment??
I don't wish to be a party pooper, but what is the annual passenger capacity of LCY without service standards slipping significantly ? I'd be wary of a sudden big increase in passenger numbers if it's unclear how operational processes and internal system will react.
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I don't wish to be a party pooper, but what is the annual passenger capacity of LCY without service standards slipping significantly ? I'd be wary of a sudden big increase in passenger numbers if it's unclear how operational processes and internal system will react.
Really need the next London mayor to rescind Boris' decision on the proposed eastern development in order to continue growing without affecting performance and passenger experience.