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Old 8th Jan 2014, 20:30
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BACF will temporarily increase the frequency on a number of there leisure routes from LCY during the months of July and August.

ANE - Will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly
FLR - Will increase from 4 to 6 x weekly
GRX - Will increase from 4 to 5 x weekly
IBZ - Monday frequency will increase from 3 to 4 flights.
MAH - Will increase from 3 to 4 x weekly .
AGP - Will increase from 6 to 7 x weekly. 2 flights will operate on a Wednesday
NCE - Will increase from Daily to 7 x weekly. 2 flights will operate on a Friday
UIP - Will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly
VCE - Will increase from 3 to 4 x weekly


BACF will temporarily suspend there service to ARN during the same period and reduce frequency on it's routes to AMS EDI, GLA, FRA & ZRH
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Old 8th Jan 2014, 21:04
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ANE - Will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly
UIP - Will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly
In July 2013, LCY-ANE had 909 pax while LCY-UIP had 943 pax
Assuming 9 round trips per month, that translates to 50.5 and 52.4 pax per flight respectively. Assuming a 76 seater aircraft, we get load factors of 66.4% and 69% for the peak leisure travel season. Neither route in S13 had particularly high fares.


Are the increases on these 2 routes driven by some sort of marketing support agreement, or is there some other reason for the schedule increases ?
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Old 8th Jan 2014, 23:46
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All the more DIVERTS for SOUTHEND, at the moment we get around 500 pax per month during the winter,all helps with our total pax numbers,keep em comming
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Old 9th Jan 2014, 07:15
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Unpleasant to applaud the misery and inconvenience of others!
Strange fellow, you seem to enjoy this.

They're not SEN passengers and certainly not yours.
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Old 9th Jan 2014, 09:46
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With all the Cityjet changes, any idea how much less overall capacity they will have vs summer 2013? It's 7 routes dropped in total I think, but added capacity to a few of the remaining routes.
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Old 9th Jan 2014, 10:27
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WX have today made changes to there S14 LCY schedule. Below are a list of the changes (Some of which may have been posted earlier in this thread)

https://www.cityjet.com/news/cityjet...-network.shtml

DUB - Weekday frequency will increase from 5 to 7 x daily. Resulting in a overall capacity to increase by 38%. All flights will be op by a RJ85.

FLR - Weekly frequency will double from 6 to 12 x weekly

ORY - Weekday frequency will increase from 5 to 7 x daily. Resulting in a overall capacity to increase by 18%.

RTM - A RJ85 will replace a F50 on key rotations

TLN - Will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly.
According to a the article on WX's website, flights to RTM are to operate 5 x daily on weekdays. Wasn't the route operated by a 8 or 9 x daily frequency during S13?

With all the Cityjet changes, any idea how much less overall capacity they will have vs summer 2013? It's 7 routes dropped in total I think, but added capacity to a few of the remaining routes.
It looks like WX will require 2 possibly 3 less F50's to operate the S14 schedule compared to S13. Will know for sure when the schedule is updated. WX are due return 10 RJ85's to the lessor over the next 18 months according to a post on the Cityjet thread.

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Old 10th Apr 2014, 10:01
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BBC News - London City Airport 'should close', think tank says

Hmmmm.......
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 10:21
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With reports like this written by "experts" it's no wonder the UK is in the state that it is.

One wonders who commissioned the report, as, of all the London airports, this is probably best situated to serve the sharks that live and work, and supposed create the wealth, that keeps the rest of us serfs in the manner to which we have become accustomed!

Absolute tosh! Even Boris should be able to work that out.
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Wouldn't do SEN any harm though!!
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 10:41
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Well said ATN.
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 11:13
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Actually I agree.
It's becoming a fairly major noise nuisance after assurances of "only Dash 7s" (quietest in the world) to "only 146s" (quietest jets) to A318s used to ferry bankers who could easily use Crossrail when it opens. It's the HS2 of airports, expensive to use, saves some time for the wealthy and is a nuisance to the neighbours.

Ken Livingston also favoured this idea, btw the final approach into 09 is lets' be honest, very close to Canary Wharf. Much more bang for your buck if you close lCY and put a third runway at LHR. No one at LHR can compalin about noise as it's been there since 1947, the locals in Newham have been misled time after time. We already have too many airports competing for too little traffic. Will all those BA Gold Card holders be using easyJet going forward or Crossrail for lounge access and the full Monty at LHR? It's becoming a rich man's toy and a BA licence to print money with a large noise footprint in an urban area aimed at bankers. It's not as if they'll stop travelling if LCY closes now is it?
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 13:34
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
Actually I agree.
It's becoming a fairly major noise nuisance
No it's not. We live closer to the runway than, I think, any of you lot, and nobody in the entire road has ever mentioned the aircraft as a noise nuisance once. The principal source of noise here is early morning arrivals into Heathrow being vectored low and slow across the area.

What should be closed is the New Economics Foundation, who came up with this latest lot of rubbish. Who provides the with their funds ? Well the fourth largest contributor to their £2m operating costs is, believe it or not, the European Commission....... now, I don't see the NEF having a go at airports in Frankfurt or Paris; no, they say, let's stitch up a facility used by the financiers in London so we can divert some of that world trade to the Continent.
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 15:04
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Skipness, we normally sing from the same song book, but I'm willing to bet that LCY was there before you moved to the area and, as such, I don't really feel you can rightly complain about the aircraft noise, even if the types have changed.
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 16:21
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Hi Willy, yes indeed it was and it doesn't annoy me at all. It is however noticeably *much noisier* than it was when i moved here in 2007 which was much noisier than the days of those long forgotten DHC7s. It's been mission creep from day one and whereas I am pro-aviation, I am very pro holistic strategy with integrated transport, avoiding *unecessary* market segmentation. Choice isn't always great or needed, see BFS/BHD, LTN/STN, LPL /MAN. We've got more airports than we'll ever need and not making good use of them.
Anyone living North of LCY get's a fair amount of noise as reduced power departures are rare off that runway. You can rightly complain, as many (poor and non white banker type) locals were, that it would only be DHC7s, then only 146s and now it's A318s on a bankers shuttle. An ERJ190 is not quiet on a high power climb out. I have the ability to move, many of them, don't. The demographics are bankers and second home owners off to the South of France, it makes me slightly uneasy at how the locals in the poorest burgh in the country, are almost invisible. Excuse me if I am not too put out by financiers of London having to get a brand new express train to the new T5 or T2 rather than thundering out over Newham saving mere minutes of their over paid and precious time.

Still it's only Stratford, who cares?
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 17:29
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
Anyone living North of LCY get's a fair amount of noise as reduced power departures are rare off that runway.
This one will be a bit of a mystery to the more aviation-minded board members here, concern for those living north of LCY when the runway is 09/27 .....

Still it's only Stratford, who cares?
The only traffic which transits Stratford is departures from 27 which reach 3,000 feet by Canning Town (or if an E190, likely by overhead Excel), throttle back to maintain this altitude under the Heathrow inbounds, and make a 180 to the right, just easing along.
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Where do they get these people from? LCY is the lifeblood of the City, and an essential fixture to support the largest financial sector in Europe. Loose LCY and you're likely to loose the big banks and one of the largest parts of our economy.
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 18:07
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It is not the lifeblood of the city! Heavens above, it was so niche BA nearly pulled out when BACON was wound up. It's a rich man's toy in a poor neighbourhood literally cut off from all around it. Crossrail ensures that LHR connects more people to the City faster, relax, LCY going away would not be the end of the world. It's my local airport btw, I am not exactly unfamiliar with it's history, routes and demographics.
This one will be a bit of a mystery to the more aviation-minded board members here, concern for those living north of LCY when the runway is 09/27 .....
Yes as you've just pointed out, all departures are turned at the Wharf onto North East and held below low for longer than the norm to avoid LHR inbounds. The noise is spread North West and North over Stratford, which is not a quiet place when LCY is active. I'm pretty pro aviation but it's misleading to pretend HSBC will leave London with a Crossrail station to LHR at Canary Wharf. Is there anything to be said against noise and pollution dumped on the poorest parts of London so the Masters of the Universe don't have to cross town to the existing facilities estd. 1947?

Cheaper to buy and close LCY as a quid pro quo for runway 3 at LHR than buy LHR and build a new estuary airports and still probably close LCY. We've been planning in isolation for years, it's not sensible and while I am far from a Greeny, the expansion plans will make LCY a major airport, something that was *NEVER* intended. Money stomps over all though....

It's also a licence to print money for BA who have succesfully removed most competition and charge a premium over LHR/LGW.

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Old 10th Apr 2014, 21:45
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Yes, Crossrail will make getting to LHR easier from the Wharf. But it won't make LHR easier to use. Part of LCY's advantage is it is speedy to navigate (especially arrivals). I've got from touchdown to train in 9 minutes at LCY - that'll never happen at LHR.
A thriving city needs lots of transport infrastructure - and LCY is a very valuable part of that mix.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 06:11
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As others have said Skipness, I normally agree with you, but have to disagree with you on this one. Even with a full 190, I have only ever used TO1 ambient ONCE in the last year, and will always be above 2000' before we turn North on the BPK.

As for the toy comment. Tell that to the full planes of people who are flying on the PMI and IBZ etc routes. They are full and the only thing that has changed over the last 5 years is that the secret is out on how easy the airport is to use compared to LHR. Most days the EDI flight passengers are on the DLR before the LHR flight has left the Lambourne hold.

Utter madness from this article.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 06:45
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Crossrail ensures that LHR connects more people to the City faster, relax, LCY going away would not be the end of the world
It is not about getting to/from LHR faster, it is about getting through LHR faster. And Crossrail will not change that. As the behemoth it is, LHR will always be a major pain to pass through. I avoid it like the plague when travelling to/from LON proper and have only started using it again for connections since T5.
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