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Agree. I see no improvement for these negotiated rerouting. It's extending total flight time into City.
Time to switch to other services from other airports. Baggage handling at City is becoming too slow and the reno works now mean pax picked up by bus on ramp for H&S reasons. I feel City is going backwards very fast. Certainly not justifiable to spend extra on a ticket out of City for this sort of mediocre services. Not happy!
Time to switch to other services from other airports. Baggage handling at City is becoming too slow and the reno works now mean pax picked up by bus on ramp for H&S reasons. I feel City is going backwards very fast. Certainly not justifiable to spend extra on a ticket out of City for this sort of mediocre services. Not happy!
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Agree. I see no improvement for these negotiated rerouting. It's extending total flight time into City.
Time to switch to other services from other airports. Baggage handling at City is becoming too slow and the reno works now mean pax picked up by bus on ramp for H&S reasons. I feel City is going backwards very fast. Certainly not justifiable to spend extra on a ticket out of City for this sort of mediocre services. Not happy!
Time to switch to other services from other airports. Baggage handling at City is becoming too slow and the reno works now mean pax picked up by bus on ramp for H&S reasons. I feel City is going backwards very fast. Certainly not justifiable to spend extra on a ticket out of City for this sort of mediocre services. Not happy!
Despite the obviously longer routings noted on previous posts does anyone know flight punctuality times (compared with scheduled times) on these routes?
Do the renovation works to West pier really mean pax are bussed or is it just because occasionally international flights are allocated domestic stand (or vice versa) due to stand availability/capacity issues?
In any case the works to increase pax comfort at departure lounge/gates should be complete soon.
Don't know about baggage handling but suspect the demographic of people using the airport has shifted slightly with more checked-in luggage (rather than travellers with carry-on only).
A couple of arguments there to support why further expansion is required in order to maintain/improve service to meet increasing demand. Of course there are other issues to consider...speaking of which, does anyone know when the outcome of public inquiry will be known? (I suspect, as usual, that it comes down to politics, mayoral elections, etc, etc.)
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There seems to have been some H&S tightening on the ramp which means inbound pax are not deplaned with a departure manoeuvring on the gate to the left. Fair enough, but now it seems as soon as that aircraft alongside has doors closed, nobody can move from a recent arrival until it's gone. Last time through it was getting on for 10 minutes after shutdown before pax were allowed out, the beacons never started on the adjacent aircraft for quite some time during all this (with pax of course all standing in the aisle). As LCY has always had a hissy fit with any operators taking more than 30 minutes on stand at peak times, the ground arrangements can hopefully be reviewed. Again.
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@good egg - re baggage,it's not that pax are checking luggage. It's because gate staff are insisting on tagging cabin acceptable wheelie luggage,for pax to dump at a/c steps when boarding.
Same carry-on luggage is stuffed in the hold. On arrival the hand carry-on luggage used to be left for pax to pick up at base of steps.
However, now this doesn't happen anymore. All luggage goes onto the belt, leaving hand luggage only pax shuffling around at a belt for 30 mins whilst handlers shunt luggage around.
It's a bloody ridiculous service level when vast majority of pax flowing through City are traveling light with cabin compliant carry-on baggage.
The bus shuttle is a new added delay to pax disembarking.
City is definitely going backwards. Pax flowing through City want fast in-and-out, traveling light majority of time.
The new approach routes are adding to flight time durations, it's another step backwards. Gone are the days you can approach heading south right turn over Lakeside for ILS establish. It's nuts now with the sight seeing routing around the Essex coastline.
Same carry-on luggage is stuffed in the hold. On arrival the hand carry-on luggage used to be left for pax to pick up at base of steps.
However, now this doesn't happen anymore. All luggage goes onto the belt, leaving hand luggage only pax shuffling around at a belt for 30 mins whilst handlers shunt luggage around.
It's a bloody ridiculous service level when vast majority of pax flowing through City are traveling light with cabin compliant carry-on baggage.
The bus shuttle is a new added delay to pax disembarking.
City is definitely going backwards. Pax flowing through City want fast in-and-out, traveling light majority of time.
The new approach routes are adding to flight time durations, it's another step backwards. Gone are the days you can approach heading south right turn over Lakeside for ILS establish. It's nuts now with the sight seeing routing around the Essex coastline.
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It's always been a PITA in ATC terms, when it opened you had Brymon Dash 7s avoiding hot air balloons outside controlled airspace until someone figured that might er....go amiss shall we say? What's the main point? It's becoming a joke but the world is full of airports in close vicinity which get by way better than this.
It was never envisioned or intended to be as busy as it is now, we are doing that British thing of putting a pint into a half pint glass and wondering why the table is wet. The other thing that kills time now is what feels like LHR holding times waiting to backtrack Runway 27 at peak times to depart.
It was never envisioned or intended to be as busy as it is now, we are doing that British thing of putting a pint into a half pint glass and wondering why the table is wet. The other thing that kills time now is what feels like LHR holding times waiting to backtrack Runway 27 at peak times to depart.
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Granted that's an average, less in quiet periods, more in busy periods, but I think the 95th percentile of all start to airborne on RW27 is around 15mins. I don't imagine LHR comes close to that.
Perception of "delay" is an interesting subject, esp. when considered alongside On Time Performance.
I see that, right now, Flybe from Belfast has made a huge loop around Colchester and North Kent, with apparently nothing ahead (attachment). It's turning onto an easterly approach over Central London. Any ideas what the advantage is over the former routing overhead Luton and Lambourne ?
That aircraft heading ENE overhead Canterbury is an inbound arrival from ... Dublin !
That aircraft heading ENE overhead Canterbury is an inbound arrival from ... Dublin !
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Quicker by bus
Pity the passengers on this morning's ABZ LCY. 1hr 50 minutes flight time, affording passengers stunning views of every country in the UK and who knows - even France too! Considering LHR can be done in just over an hour people will be leaving LCY in droves if these crazy routings don't change.
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Decided to bite the bullet. I can't be dealing with LCY reroute entry to the zone plus the fiasco on stand with carry on baggage. A good few chaps at our company have switched to using Gatwick over recent weeks. Cost savings plus no farting about with sightseeing long finals that are now common place at LCY.
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"Still landed 28mins earlier than scheduled though"
Which is essentially meaningless for those flights unfortunate enough to be sent off to the hinterland "remote" stands, waiting to be backed into position, waiting for the transporting bus to arrive and fill, waiting for every other plane to disembark before the bus can pass on its way to the baggage hall.
I have to agree; LCY has turned into an extremely unpleasant option these days.
Which is essentially meaningless for those flights unfortunate enough to be sent off to the hinterland "remote" stands, waiting to be backed into position, waiting for the transporting bus to arrive and fill, waiting for every other plane to disembark before the bus can pass on its way to the baggage hall.
I have to agree; LCY has turned into an extremely unpleasant option these days.
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AZ increase LIN frequency
Don't think this news has recently been posted.
AZ have increased frequency on there LIN service, with flights now operating up to 5 x daily.
AZ225 LCY 06:30 LIN 09:30 E90 x7
AZ217 LCY 09:00 LIN 11:55 E90 x67
AZ215 LCY 11:25 LIN 14:20 E90 x7
AZ221 LCY 16:20 LIN 19:15 E90 x67
AZ219 LCY 19:45 LIN 22:40 E90 x6
AZ218 LIN 07:35 LCY 08:30 E90 x67
AZ216 LIN 10:00 LCY 10:55 E90 x7
AZ222 LIN 14:55 LCY 15:50 E90 x67
AZ220 LIN 18:20 LCY 19:15 E90 x6
AZ224 LIN 20:30 LCY 21:25 E90 x6
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...don-and-milan/
AZ have increased frequency on there LIN service, with flights now operating up to 5 x daily.
AZ225 LCY 06:30 LIN 09:30 E90 x7
AZ217 LCY 09:00 LIN 11:55 E90 x67
AZ215 LCY 11:25 LIN 14:20 E90 x7
AZ221 LCY 16:20 LIN 19:15 E90 x67
AZ219 LCY 19:45 LIN 22:40 E90 x6
AZ218 LIN 07:35 LCY 08:30 E90 x67
AZ216 LIN 10:00 LCY 10:55 E90 x7
AZ222 LIN 14:55 LCY 15:50 E90 x67
AZ220 LIN 18:20 LCY 19:15 E90 x6
AZ224 LIN 20:30 LCY 21:25 E90 x6
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...don-and-milan/
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From Travel Mole:
New London mayor paves way for Docklands airport expansion
New mayor of London Sadiq Khan has withdrawn City Hall's objection to London City Airport's £300 million expansion plan.
The move paves the way for a larger terminal and a new taxiway for aircraft, which will allow the airport to handle 40% more flights and larger aircraft.
The mayor's spokeman told the Financial Times he had withdrawn the objection to the airport buying land from the Greater London Authority that it needs for the expansion.
He said Khan's decision was based on new evidence submitted by London City Airport and ongoing negotiations.
Khan's predecessor Boris Johnson had tried to block the plans because of concerns about noise. Instead, he was pushing for a new London airport in the Thames Estuary.
The airport still needs planning permission and has lodge an application with the planning inspector, whose report must be approved by the Government.
New London mayor paves way for Docklands airport expansion
New mayor of London Sadiq Khan has withdrawn City Hall's objection to London City Airport's £300 million expansion plan.
The move paves the way for a larger terminal and a new taxiway for aircraft, which will allow the airport to handle 40% more flights and larger aircraft.
The mayor's spokeman told the Financial Times he had withdrawn the objection to the airport buying land from the Greater London Authority that it needs for the expansion.
He said Khan's decision was based on new evidence submitted by London City Airport and ongoing negotiations.
Khan's predecessor Boris Johnson had tried to block the plans because of concerns about noise. Instead, he was pushing for a new London airport in the Thames Estuary.
The airport still needs planning permission and has lodge an application with the planning inspector, whose report must be approved by the Government.
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I see the relatively new Cork route has been cancelled by Cityjet.
Understand loads were marginal; never got the chance to try it myself. I wonder how much they were influenced by the grossly extended flying time required for arrivals now; from the Cork direction seems to be the worst for extended routings ("Fly Cityjet to London, we'll show you Cap Gris Nez from the air and how the 146/RJ handles trundling along at Minimum Manoeuvring Speed for 30 minutes" is not much of an advertising tagline, is it ?)
The new nonsense doesn't affect inbounds from mainland Europe to the same extent. You would have thought that LCY would be up in arms about this, but I presume management have their hands full with their new Canadian schoolteacher owners - whose comprehension of aviation in another continent cannot be top of their teaching abilities.
Understand loads were marginal; never got the chance to try it myself. I wonder how much they were influenced by the grossly extended flying time required for arrivals now; from the Cork direction seems to be the worst for extended routings ("Fly Cityjet to London, we'll show you Cap Gris Nez from the air and how the 146/RJ handles trundling along at Minimum Manoeuvring Speed for 30 minutes" is not much of an advertising tagline, is it ?)
The new nonsense doesn't affect inbounds from mainland Europe to the same extent. You would have thought that LCY would be up in arms about this, but I presume management have their hands full with their new Canadian schoolteacher owners - whose comprehension of aviation in another continent cannot be top of their teaching abilities.
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Not quite sure what you mean about speed...according to the RNAV Transition Charts arrivals to RW27 185 KIAS max limit is at 6DME, admittedly on RW09 it's closer to 20nm from touchdown (but then it always was).