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Old 21st Dec 2008, 15:59
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Egnxema:

That's not the complete picture I'm afraid! CityJet takes over the route from VLM and KLM, so AF-KLM seat capacity on LCY-AMS stays roughly the same since the FK50s will disappear from this route alltogether. VLM was taken over by AF-KLM through CityJet, the major player at LCY is now AF-KLM (read: CityJet). I am sure VLM did not like pulling out of AMS, this was clearly a decision by the new owners. VLM will keep their brand, but CityJet-decals have already magically appeared on their aircraft. They will benefit from joining the AF-KLM frequent flyer programme, but will have to concede some 'autonomy'...
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Old 21st Dec 2008, 18:30
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So KLM will no longer be seen at London City even though KLM Ground Services are the dominant ( and soon to be only ) handling agent. Oddly enough, this will be a AF / KLM hub with no services by either KLM or Air France !

Even the CityJet aircraft, very few now carry the Air France branding.
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 14:48
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Longhitter - interesting about the decals - have you seen which aircraft they are on?
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OO-VLF has the new decals.
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Old 29th Dec 2008, 13:14
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Car parking LCY

Is there a staff car park for based pilots at LCY?

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Old 29th Dec 2008, 16:00
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Staff car parking is in long stay.
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Old 7th Jan 2009, 10:00
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When was the HAM route axed by Lufthansa?

Apparently the only sustainable routes to Germany are DUS, FRA and MUC. Not sure about BER in the long term.

HAM, BRE, FMO, DTM, MGL, CGN, STR, NUE, LEJ have all been tried and did not last.

Noted by the way that CGN is looking for an airline to operate to LCY. The last airline that tried was Augsburg Airways in the late 1990s.
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Old 11th Jan 2009, 17:48
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I was surprised that instead of the usual 4 aircraft which stand at the airport over the weekend shutdown, yesterday (Saturday) afternoon there was a "full house" of 9 aircraft there, including the Luxair 135 and a Scot Dornier, as well as seven 146s. Did anything go awry on Saturday morning ?
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Old 11th Jan 2009, 19:19
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Maybe the fog had something to do with it ?? Am not sure but it has been foggy a few times in the last week or so.
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 11:20
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Exactly true Mike, many off schedule aircraft due earlier fog, they pushed their luck to try and get out before the curfew, and unfortunatley many did not make it, some even had passengers on-board and were ready when they were refused permission to depart, rather frustrating for the PAX who had already been transfered from an earlier cancelled flight!
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 14:22
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I can understand not SCHEDULING movements in the 24 closure period but are they not permitted to get delayed movements away on a Saturday afternoon? That's unreasonable for sure, and I speak as someone in the noise footprint of LCY.
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 19:06
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It's a fair point but also a tough call.

How much leeway do you allow? 30 mins? 1 hour? Maybe 2??
Do you have the staff available to allow this flexibility?

It's always good to protect the passenger, provide that customer service element (& protect the business) but practicality can impact these ideals.
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 19:29
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They have a 30 minute period to clear delays. They cannot break the planning law. Though they have in the past. I think its more unreasonable for you to expect the community to have flights in their quiet time.
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 19:53
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We're talking about a 146 on Saturday afternoon.....

Get some prespective on the disturbance that causes. It's not as if Newham is inundated with jobs and wealth for Goodness sake. Of all the places to be a NIMBY this is nuts. Good that a lot of visitors to our country were forced to cross London to LHR / LGW and got home very late. The lack of sensible decision making and lack of initiative is killing the UK. We're all a slave to ( badly draughted and poorly implemented ) rules.

This is way different from a B747-400 going off LHR at 2am which although not in curfew causes a Hell of a lot more disturbance
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 20:06
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Originally Posted by darren6012
I think its more unreasonable for you to expect the community to have flights in their quiet time.
I don't know, Darren, if you are one of the Community who lives in Newham next to the airport, like I do, but the aircraft noise is not intrusive and, in fact, there is more noise from an inbound overhead for a Heathrow 28 arrival passing overhead at 4,000 feet putting its first stage of flaps out than ever there is from a 146 inbound to or outbound from City. And it's winter, and we are all sat at home with the windows closed.

There's so little concern for airport operations here that the airport finds it hard going to get any interest for their statutorily-required Consultative Committee.
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 21:27
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That's exactly right. The Heathrow inbounds off all four stacks turn the corner here at all hours of the day when LHR is on Westerlies and they are way more noticeable than the brief whine if a departing RJ heading off to the North.

* WHBM you're showing your age mate. Tis 27 at LHR these days!
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 21:47
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BA route to NYC

I'm assuming the new BA route from LCY to NYC does not get suspended in the next 12 months....

John McCain is lobbying to get the range limitation at LGA lifted, so that transcon flights from California can be admitted.

If the BA route from LCY to NYC really does get US customs pre-clearance at SNN, could we expect it to land at LGA instead of JFK assuming the McCain bill gets through Congress ?

Yes, I know it'll leave BA with split operations in NYC, but somewhat compelling when one considers the Airbus will be full of people who probably all work in banking anyway.

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Old 12th Jan 2009, 21:58
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Hey WHBM
There is a huge outcry over the airport but because it has all the local papers and councillors in its pockets you dont hear it. Google Newham and Fight The Flights. It depends on when your building was built etc etc You are one of the lucky ones.I agree with you about Heathrow too though.And not evryone is at home with the heating on - some poor blighters do have to work outside in the community you know - the poor buggers!

Skipness - You cant say just one flight on a saturday afternoon. They signed up to a section 106 - whether you agree with it or not.
And actually Newham are being unindated with wealth - olympics and crossrail. Its just very very badly managed.Have a look at Building 1000 - The council ended up having to buy it for over £100 million cause no businessess would go into it because of the airport - hardly good for jobs in Newham then.There is a curfew on flights.Its a law. It needs to be respected.
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Old 13th Jan 2009, 07:40
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If you have signed up to a Section 106 agreement, as LCY have, then that's it I'm afraid, inconvenient though it may be.

Can you not see the headlines "City Airport Flouts Planning Agreement"?

The 'anti' campaigners would have taken an extended opening period last Saturday as a golden opportunity to stir up trouble.
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Old 13th Jan 2009, 08:11
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Originally Posted by darren6012
Hey WHBM
There is a huge outcry over the airport but because it has all the local papers and councillors in its pockets you dont hear it
Look, I have lived here for longer than the airport has been here and I can tell you there is no huge outcry over the airport whatsoever. That is complete fantasy. The only time my neighbours ever mention it is to ask me what that interesting display was at the Fun Day !
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