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I would have thought BHX-GVA would have been one for the chop.
Really bad off season loads (12 a flight in November) and it comes up against BMI Baby December - March.
The BCN slot would be fairly valuable, could they flog it or does it just get
handed back?
Can you clarify re Bristol, as the nextgenerationairline site shows two
based 145's until Oct 07 - are you talking post Oct 07 or has things changed?
Pete
I would have thought BHX-GVA would have been one for the chop.
Really bad off season loads (12 a flight in November) and it comes up against BMI Baby December - March.
The BCN slot would be fairly valuable, could they flog it or does it just get
handed back?
Can you clarify re Bristol, as the nextgenerationairline site shows two
based 145's until Oct 07 - are you talking post Oct 07 or has things changed?
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From looking at the info sheet from Jim French on the next gen website INV & IOM are both to get lounges, looks like a bit of long term commitment to these two areas and possibly some expansion as well???
Sadly still no real long term indications regarding BRS though, however still a/c to be based there.
Sadly still no real long term indications regarding BRS though, however still a/c to be based there.
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6 go-arounds....I hope they were at different airfilelds? Part A; max of 2 approaches before mandatory diversion? This is for very good reasons...fatigue, fammiliarity and lastly 'press-on' itis (not that I would suggest you would be in the last cat.
Merry Christmas & safe flying!
Mike
6 go-arounds....I hope they were at different airfilelds? Part A; max of 2 approaches before mandatory diversion? This is for very good reasons...fatigue, fammiliarity and lastly 'press-on' itis (not that I would suggest you would be in the last cat.
Merry Christmas & safe flying!
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I am pretty sure that there is no duplication on BHX-DUS. It is only served by BACON at the moment.
An indication might be that STR and FRA will loose their nightstopping aircraft. Particularly interesting in FRA's case as slots there during peak times come at a premium and surrendering them is quite surprising (unless Flybe intens to cash in on them - or maybe they are not included in the deal to allow BA mainline to nightstop an additional airframe at FRA).
An indication might be that STR and FRA will loose their nightstopping aircraft. Particularly interesting in FRA's case as slots there during peak times come at a premium and surrendering them is quite surprising (unless Flybe intens to cash in on them - or maybe they are not included in the deal to allow BA mainline to nightstop an additional airframe at FRA).
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Does anyone know if Cardiff is to become a base for Flybe operations?By this i mean will a/c be based at CWL?Thanks
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I am pretty sure that there is no duplication on BHX-DUS. It is only served by BACON at the moment.
An indication might be that STR and FRA will loose their nightstopping aircraft. Particularly interesting in FRA's case as slots there during peak times come at a premium and surrendering them is quite surprising (unless Flybe intens to cash in on them - or maybe they are not included in the deal to allow BA mainline to nightstop an additional airframe at FRA).
An indication might be that STR and FRA will loose their nightstopping aircraft. Particularly interesting in FRA's case as slots there during peak times come at a premium and surrendering them is quite surprising (unless Flybe intens to cash in on them - or maybe they are not included in the deal to allow BA mainline to nightstop an additional airframe at FRA).
so thats where some of the peak time slots could have gone
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Morning all, any ideas what happens tomorrow? What routes will be dropped from the BACON Network etc?
January the 1st 2007 will be an interesting day in Flybe's history!
January the 1st 2007 will be an interesting day in Flybe's history!
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perhaps they may still launch the rest of there new routes tomorrow. and leave the BACON's untill the deal's complete.
I was rather disapointed when they said the deal was delayed till the end of Jan
I was rather disapointed when they said the deal was delayed till the end of Jan
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Air International has an article on FlyBe and it says that by 2009 the fleet will comprise of 64 Q400 and 16 E195.
This is the first time that I have seen the planned breakdown of the fleet and to be honest, I find it quite surprising. It would mean that despite the new and enlarged flyBE the original size of the E195 fleet will be kept with no options being firmed up.
If I have the figures right, the current orderbook is 16 E195 and 45 Q400s, with 12 options for the E195 and 16 for the Q400. Assuming that AI is correct, flyBe will firm up all Q400 options and order three more airframes. In short - is this just a wild guess by Air International or is anyone able to confirm this information ?
Btw, the article also says that the future flyBe will be 70% domestic, 20% European business and 10% European leisure - another figure I find hard to believe.
This is the first time that I have seen the planned breakdown of the fleet and to be honest, I find it quite surprising. It would mean that despite the new and enlarged flyBE the original size of the E195 fleet will be kept with no options being firmed up.
If I have the figures right, the current orderbook is 16 E195 and 45 Q400s, with 12 options for the E195 and 16 for the Q400. Assuming that AI is correct, flyBe will firm up all Q400 options and order three more airframes. In short - is this just a wild guess by Air International or is anyone able to confirm this information ?
Btw, the article also says that the future flyBe will be 70% domestic, 20% European business and 10% European leisure - another figure I find hard to believe.
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Slighty off tack....
Where handling for FLYBE and BACon are different anyone heard who they'll go with? I know JER is handled by servisair for FLYBE and airline services/aviance combination for BACon.
Any ideas welcome....
Any ideas welcome....
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As soon as the flight numbers change from BA to Flybe all slots are put back in the pool and you get in the queue for them to be reallocated. IATA rules prevent the transfer of slots between airlines.
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Slots can be transferred, however in theory you cannot trade slots. It does happen, often with plenty of money changing hands too, particularly if its somewhere like LHR for example.
The slots are owned by the airline operator and, to my knowledge, do not change based on flight number. With Flybe acquiring BACon, all of BACon's slots at the various airports operated to/from will become Flybe's, otherwise you acquire an airline with no viable routes!
Slots can be transferred, however in theory you cannot trade slots. It does happen, often with plenty of money changing hands too, particularly if its somewhere like LHR for example.
The slots are owned by the airline operator and, to my knowledge, do not change based on flight number. With Flybe acquiring BACon, all of BACon's slots at the various airports operated to/from will become Flybe's, otherwise you acquire an airline with no viable routes!
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Flybe and routes
I could see Bristol being cut back when Flybe assume BA Connect services. Many of the routes are EZY ones and they will be tough to make ends meet on and I can see EZY increasing frequency from the summer season.
In addition I would suggest that BEs annoucement of a 'base' at CWL is a nice reminder to BRS airport that they need to give a good deal to them ??? In any case Zurich is unlikely to feature ? As for eg EZY said charges were really excessive at there and not conducive to LCCs.
In addition I would suggest that BEs annoucement of a 'base' at CWL is a nice reminder to BRS airport that they need to give a good deal to them ??? In any case Zurich is unlikely to feature ? As for eg EZY said charges were really excessive at there and not conducive to LCCs.
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The nextgenerationairline website certainly indicates that Bristol is going to be cutback with just two based 145's.
For Bristol at least they have an aggressive competitor in Easy who I am
sure will pick up most routes (as well as Bacon crews
).
Flybe could also have trouble at BHX, both CAA stats and anecdotal evidence suggest they are getting a beating pax wise (by baby)
non more than the December 2006 provisional figures for the Belfast routes.
Flybe down nearly 5000 and Baby up 4000 - fog did pay some part
with Baby operating virtually all their flights and flybe only a handful
during one three-day period.
The unknown aspect is the yield, I just hope flybe is making
sufficient money on their flights at BHX and it does appear that
they do charge more than Baby.
Interesting battles ahead.
OP
For Bristol at least they have an aggressive competitor in Easy who I am
sure will pick up most routes (as well as Bacon crews
).Flybe could also have trouble at BHX, both CAA stats and anecdotal evidence suggest they are getting a beating pax wise (by baby)
non more than the December 2006 provisional figures for the Belfast routes.
Flybe down nearly 5000 and Baby up 4000 - fog did pay some part
with Baby operating virtually all their flights and flybe only a handful
during one three-day period.
The unknown aspect is the yield, I just hope flybe is making
sufficient money on their flights at BHX and it does appear that
they do charge more than Baby.
Interesting battles ahead.
OP
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Swissport to handle Flybe at BHX
Apparently Swissport have agreed to continue to handle Flybe from what BA staff have heard this week at BHX however we havent heard anything from the horses mouth so to speak so watch this space.