Flybe - 3 (Including the FlyBe/BACon merger)
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So let me get this straight:
Flybe take all the BAcon aircraft (except the RJ's), ground the Dash-8 300's (whatever that means, I'm assuming that means they'll get rid of them), ground the 146's, and keep the 145's for a short time as there's 28 of them. Sounds like a plan
I do however wonder that if BAcon are unprofitable using a DH8/ER4 on a route for example GLA-MAN, how the devil are flybe going to justify this with the bigger Q400
ie, if BAcon don't get pax on a Dash-300 on this route, how do flybe get the pax with the bigger aircraft? Now I know that BAcon fares were a rip-off, but lets be honest I mean flybe fares aren't really THAT cheaper now are they? I suppose they could use the bigger Dash but then reduce the number of flights, but then again there would still be inconvenience as there wouldn't be as many flights. BAcon weren't profitable with the ER4 because of competition, but now that there won't be any major competition anymore, why can't Mr French sort of say "eh, hold on a minute, these are genuinely good, fast, reliable regional jet aircraft lets just give them a painting job"? bmi regional seem to live on the aircraft and have just been voted the most puctual regional airline of the year, so why waste aircraft? Anyway I do hope it works out for flybe as they are a good company and thay get my verdict as I flew with them a month ago today.
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146's/routes
BHDflyer
As for the flybe 146's Jethros has "AW" going this month, AV already at
Kemble and "AS" WFU (sure that was at BHX recently).
If they can stop the "WFU" I am sure they will but if there time is up, as
with "AV" then I doubt there is little they can do.
With MAN - GLA, flybe will be relying on keeping the BACON pax and adding extra leisure pax and as their base fare is £10 cheaper than BACON
they should be able to do that.
Also if they keep it at 4-5 a day they should not alienate the business pax too much but of course they are competing against a full service airline in BMI but MAN - GLA, EDI & ABZ should be fine for flybe.
Not so at BHX where it be a straight fight with Baby and they have even
lower base fares.
As for the 145, it might work for BMI but there is no way that flybe would consider competing with them when they have gone away from that type of business model. They had the CRJ once and that certainly did not work out plus Duo & Independence Air are a reminder to all what can happen.
I must admit I can't wait to see the aircraft allocation for summer 2007.
Pete
As for the flybe 146's Jethros has "AW" going this month, AV already at
Kemble and "AS" WFU (sure that was at BHX recently).
If they can stop the "WFU" I am sure they will but if there time is up, as
with "AV" then I doubt there is little they can do.
With MAN - GLA, flybe will be relying on keeping the BACON pax and adding extra leisure pax and as their base fare is £10 cheaper than BACON
they should be able to do that.
Also if they keep it at 4-5 a day they should not alienate the business pax too much but of course they are competing against a full service airline in BMI but MAN - GLA, EDI & ABZ should be fine for flybe.
Not so at BHX where it be a straight fight with Baby and they have even
lower base fares.
As for the 145, it might work for BMI but there is no way that flybe would consider competing with them when they have gone away from that type of business model. They had the CRJ once and that certainly did not work out plus Duo & Independence Air are a reminder to all what can happen.
I must admit I can't wait to see the aircraft allocation for summer 2007.
Pete
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flybe millions
Some folk here are missing a vital point of the BA Connect takeover by flybe.
The matter of 12 million pounds! That money I am sure will go to underwriting the operation of the Emb145 fleet for the next 12 months or so.
There is no way flybe can operate even 50% of BA Connects route structure beyond March 07 without the 145, so that money must be going towards the operating cost of these airframes.
If anyone thinks this strange, well it is par for the course, just see what the bright sparks at BA did with the "Jetstreams going to Eastern Airways" fiasco....
The matter of 12 million pounds! That money I am sure will go to underwriting the operation of the Emb145 fleet for the next 12 months or so.
There is no way flybe can operate even 50% of BA Connects route structure beyond March 07 without the 145, so that money must be going towards the operating cost of these airframes.
If anyone thinks this strange, well it is par for the course, just see what the bright sparks at BA did with the "Jetstreams going to Eastern Airways" fiasco....
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Obviously the Embraer 145s are going to have to stay in the short term to be able to cover the flying programme, though you can bet that the flybe management team will be keen to ensure that deliveries of the Dash and Embraers arrive as quickly as can be to get rid of the 145s. They're not the right equipment at all for a low cost airline, which is evident in the failure of Independence Air who tried to serve smaller communities with this type of aircraft and the low cost model. bmi regional whilst doing very well for the bmi group, only makes money out of the type because they put the aircraft on high yielding routes, they don't try to compete with no-frills airlines, and provide a full-service model with full-fare prices to match - it's a completely different proposition to what flybe are trying to do.
Is it now confirmed that flybe will be moving to Terminal 2 at BHX? They mentioned that they'd be taking over the Terraces Lounge, and given they like to mention the benefits of cosy regional airports, T2 seems perfect for the quick minimal fuss operation that they want to offer to keep journey time as low as possible, particularly when competing against the train on routes like EDI/GLA? Presumably this will be another major period of growth for Swissport?
Is it now confirmed that flybe will be moving to Terminal 2 at BHX? They mentioned that they'd be taking over the Terraces Lounge, and given they like to mention the benefits of cosy regional airports, T2 seems perfect for the quick minimal fuss operation that they want to offer to keep journey time as low as possible, particularly when competing against the train on routes like EDI/GLA? Presumably this will be another major period of growth for Swissport?
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Thank you for that, I for one had missed that point and explains the logic behind keeping the 145's for a year or so.
I just don't remember seeing the 12 Million mentioned but there are so
many aspects to this transaction I am not surprised that I have
missed some
Cheers again and I promise not to mention the 145's again
.. for a
week or two anyway
Pete
Thank you for that, I for one had missed that point and explains the logic behind keeping the 145's for a year or so.
I just don't remember seeing the 12 Million mentioned but there are so
many aspects to this transaction I am not surprised that I have
missed some
Cheers again and I promise not to mention the 145's again
.. for a week or two anyway
Pete
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BHDflyer, BACON didn't fail to make any money due to the cost of operating the 145 / D8 and low loads. Having worked at the coal face for the last three years at BHX loads are very good and the aircraft (other than the RJ) cost very little to operate. The reason BACON didn't work was rubbish management ! The training bill alone for the last three years with all the fleet changes and relocation would have wiped out the profits of most UK airlines. Couple that with not ever advertising your services properly and setting up a mini waterside at Didsbury with a manager for everything including unblocking the RJ sinks the result was inevitable !
Oh yes and no one can find out how much money BA syphoned off using BAR ground handling which surprisingly (not) makes a massive profit even though they only handle BACON, SN and Eastern.
The 145 isn't the right aircraft for LC BA knew that but would not let BACON re-equip. Given that the sell off has allowed BA to close just about every outstation in the UK and virtually withdraw unseen from the regions a good plan well accomplished me thinks. Having DE in charge guaranteed failure! With FlyBe cost base 145 can make effective money until it is replaced by something more appropriate.
Oh yes and no one can find out how much money BA syphoned off using BAR ground handling which surprisingly (not) makes a massive profit even though they only handle BACON, SN and Eastern.
The 145 isn't the right aircraft for LC BA knew that but would not let BACON re-equip. Given that the sell off has allowed BA to close just about every outstation in the UK and virtually withdraw unseen from the regions a good plan well accomplished me thinks. Having DE in charge guaranteed failure! With FlyBe cost base 145 can make effective money until it is replaced by something more appropriate.
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Flybe New routes
New routes from BHX
Split Sat only
Dubrovnik Tue,Thu,Sat
Hamburg (former BACON) only once a day with mid day timing.
GLA and EDI onsale for summer but NO sign of 10 a day shuttle that has been sited on website??
Daza
Split Sat only
Dubrovnik Tue,Thu,Sat
Hamburg (former BACON) only once a day with mid day timing.
GLA and EDI onsale for summer but NO sign of 10 a day shuttle that has been sited on website??
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The main tranche of routes ex BAcon is due to be announced at or near end of year/new year which I would say by looking at what has been released is about 90 odd percent
Give the guys a chance it must be manic trying to pull all that together
G-I-B
Give the guys a chance it must be manic trying to pull all that together
G-I-B
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Latest news from Fraggle Rock is not to expect to have a job wef 24th March. Flybe will only take a limited amount of people from here, which will entail significant loss of income and large amounts of redundnacies.
So, what they do with the aircraft is academic as far as we are concerned. Who cares, when you have to find another job?
skiddy
So, what they do with the aircraft is academic as far as we are concerned. Who cares, when you have to find another job?
skiddy
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Are you talking about the jobs down at the hangar (which seems pretty certain although there is much spin being put on the situation by the Government and flyBe) or at the airport itself? The handling agent for BA must be on very shaky ground unless they get the flybe contract but don't flybe use another handling agent there already?
Are you talking about the jobs down at the hangar (which seems pretty certain although there is much spin being put on the situation by the Government and flyBe) or at the airport itself? The handling agent for BA must be on very shaky ground unless they get the flybe contract but don't flybe use another handling agent there already?
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Yes, I am referring to the hangar and support departments. And yes, Flybe use Flight Support at the moment. Manx Regional would be affected as they would lose at least 9 flights a day. Which also affects me and several others who have partners in either operation 
Life is looking bleak
skiddy
Life is looking bleak
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Cardiff
Well either I'm cracking up and have started seing things or Flybe have spotted their accident and deleted Cardiff from the press release?
If anybody else saw this then plese let me know I'm not loosing it!
MB
If anybody else saw this then plese let me know I'm not loosing it!
MB
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Cardiff
...I missed this....
Lets hope they've let slip by accident and FlyBe will be winging its way over to CWL soon!
Out of curiousity, if they do setup at CWL, surely this would affect BRS right?
Having BHX,CWL,EXT and then BRS right in the middle would be a bit extreme right??
Lets hope they've let slip by accident and FlyBe will be winging its way over to CWL soon!
Out of curiousity, if they do setup at CWL, surely this would affect BRS right?
Having BHX,CWL,EXT and then BRS right in the middle would be a bit extreme right??