Flybe - 3 (Including the FlyBe/BACon merger)
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Originally Posted by nicola1404
Sorry to offend any BACON staff but we new this was a day to come, but what is going to happen to us mainline staff? They can't just turf us out because of BACON not making any money!!!! Iy's not our fault!!!
It's a bit late to start thinking about BA Connect performance now! Your reply just goes to show that, all along, you've had no interest in BA Connect. Perhaps this is part of the reason it won't be around any longer?
It's a terrible time for all concerned - BA Connect, BAR and Mainline staff. BA Connect staff have none of the facilities afforded to BAR and Mainline staff through the displacement and careerlink schemes and they have a pitiful redundancy scheme nothing like the voluntary severence scheme you will have access to. It's awful for anyone to be out of a job but at least you are likely to be treated better.
Originally Posted by nicola1404
Sorry to offend any BACON staff but we new this was a day to come, but what is going to happen to us mainline staff? They can't just turf us out because of BACON not making any money!!!! Iy's not our fault!!!
It's a bit late to start thinking about BA Connect performance now! Your reply just goes to show that, all along, you've had no interest in BA Connect. Perhaps this is part of the reason it won't be around any longer?
It's a terrible time for all concerned - BA Connect, BAR and Mainline staff. BA Connect staff have none of the facilities afforded to BAR and Mainline staff through the displacement and careerlink schemes and they have a pitiful redundancy scheme nothing like the voluntary severence scheme you will have access to. It's awful for anyone to be out of a job but at least you are likely to be treated better.
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Even worse for those of us left high and dry here on Fraggle Rock. Not for us the facility of driving to another location for an interview, or another job here. Every interview (if any) involve flying/ferry off-island - unless you are an accountant or banking trained. Not many fit that bill though! And no surety of redundancy payment.
Still, come December/January we might be given some idea where we stand, although I won't hold my breath!! WW,DE and his cronies will have a nice Christmas, ours is going to be
!!
Ah well, on with the CV sending!
skiddy
Even worse for those of us left high and dry here on Fraggle Rock. Not for us the facility of driving to another location for an interview, or another job here. Every interview (if any) involve flying/ferry off-island - unless you are an accountant or banking trained. Not many fit that bill though! And no surety of redundancy payment.
Still, come December/January we might be given some idea where we stand, although I won't hold my breath!! WW,DE and his cronies will have a nice Christmas, ours is going to be
!!Ah well, on with the CV sending!
skiddy
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Ba Disconnected
anyone got any facts as to the plans for regional at bhx,all we getting is dont knows ,cant say answers .i think everyone at bhx saw this coming as we lost offices and rest areas ,but the company have put us in limbo with the day to day comment made by D.E
other airlines seem to have released there's months ago.
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flybe summer 2007
I would imagine a full release is nigh on impossible until the tie-up is confirmed as a done deal. I suppose they might be able to do a
further part-release but as for the likes of BHX there would be little point as there are many duplicated routes (EDI, GLA, ABZ & HAJ).
I cannot think for one moment they will operate the 145 on any route
from April 2007, which gives them one almighty scheduling headache.
On the rumour and news thread there was a quote from a 145 crew
stating that he or she will hang around for the next 12 months
flying the 145 and then see what is offered.
Surely if flybe kept 20 odd 145's for the next 12 months on their
low fares model there will be no flybe either?
Has anybody got any info yet on what is being kept (fleet wise) in
the short term?
If flybe have any sense they will not operate one 145 after 27/3/07
or whatever the date of changeover is - all assuming this goes ahead!
Pete
further part-release but as for the likes of BHX there would be little point as there are many duplicated routes (EDI, GLA, ABZ & HAJ).
I cannot think for one moment they will operate the 145 on any route
from April 2007, which gives them one almighty scheduling headache.
On the rumour and news thread there was a quote from a 145 crew
stating that he or she will hang around for the next 12 months
flying the 145 and then see what is offered.
Surely if flybe kept 20 odd 145's for the next 12 months on their
low fares model there will be no flybe either?
Has anybody got any info yet on what is being kept (fleet wise) in
the short term?
If flybe have any sense they will not operate one 145 after 27/3/07
or whatever the date of changeover is - all assuming this goes ahead!
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Looks like the Emb145 fleet will be around for a while as the flybe are stating that their cabin crew will be trained for those aircraft at applicable bases.
The revised network has, according to them, been worked on for several months with some BAConnect routes going to be dropped with the annoucement of the route structure planned by 1st January 2007.
The revised network has, according to them, been worked on for several months with some BAConnect routes going to be dropped with the annoucement of the route structure planned by 1st January 2007.
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145's
Ringwayman
If the 145's are staying, who is going to pay for the losses?
No LCC to date has made money on 145's and even BACON management
have been quoted as claiming that losses have continued (okay the 145
is only part of the factor) since the "new concept" began last March.
It just sounds like financial suicide for anyone to to agree to keep such a plane on routes that the previous owner has allegedly stated does not work, especially if some of the figures mentioned are correct. Also I assume that flybe will be paying the crew "BACON wages" but trying to charge flybe prices from April?
Somebody explain how this works
Pete
If the 145's are staying, who is going to pay for the losses?
No LCC to date has made money on 145's and even BACON management
have been quoted as claiming that losses have continued (okay the 145
is only part of the factor) since the "new concept" began last March.
It just sounds like financial suicide for anyone to to agree to keep such a plane on routes that the previous owner has allegedly stated does not work, especially if some of the figures mentioned are correct. Also I assume that flybe will be paying the crew "BACON wages" but trying to charge flybe prices from April?
Somebody explain how this works
Pete
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The revised network has, according to them, been worked on for several months with some BAConnect routes going to be dropped with the annoucement of the route structure planned by 1st January 2007.
Any ideas which routes will be dropped?
Any ideas which routes will be dropped?
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Another possibility might be to ditch the 145's and keep the BAcon 146's and their own 146's for the time being until the 195's & Q400's have all been delivered. Or will that still leave them short?
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It could well be that a 145 operating a niche route such as BHXDUS actually makes money in BAConnect guise. Not all the routes are turkeys, otherwise why would Flybe be interested? A 145 flying six sectors a day may not make money but get it flying ten a day and the gaping financial hole may begin to close over.
Don't get me wrong, i'm sure that they don't feature in the long term plans as Flybe have already indicated that they have settled on Q400's and 195's but something has to ply the routes until the fleet transition is fully completed.
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I have since been posted a useful link and it is very clear that they will be
keeping the 145 after 27/3/07 and some flybe cabin crew might even
be trained on them.
As a BHX local and BA/BE/WW traveller I was pleasantly surprised at the
takeover but on the other hand I could not understand that any profitable
company would want to take on such an aircraft with a low cost operation
when the previous owner has claimed that the business continued to lose money.
Also on this link it stated that the ex BACON routes will be offered at
flybe prices. As an outsider looking in it seemed strange but I am sure
that the whole story has yet to be told. Although I am more than happy to accept that flybe know exactly what they are doing and all will become clearer in a few months.
Also with the BHX operation there is some route duplication and hopefully
there won't be too much of a need to keep many 145's.
Pete
I have since been posted a useful link and it is very clear that they will be
keeping the 145 after 27/3/07 and some flybe cabin crew might even
be trained on them.
As a BHX local and BA/BE/WW traveller I was pleasantly surprised at the
takeover but on the other hand I could not understand that any profitable
company would want to take on such an aircraft with a low cost operation
when the previous owner has claimed that the business continued to lose money.
Also on this link it stated that the ex BACON routes will be offered at
flybe prices. As an outsider looking in it seemed strange but I am sure
that the whole story has yet to be told. Although I am more than happy to accept that flybe know exactly what they are doing and all will become clearer in a few months.
Also with the BHX operation there is some route duplication and hopefully
there won't be too much of a need to keep many 145's.
Pete
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Don't forget that route after (profitable) route was cast aside or given away by that idiot DE and his cronies. The fact that BACON was unable to operate a route successfully is by no means indicative that another operator with more than 10 cc of enterpise cannot - even with a 145.
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Flybe gets rid of the Q400
Why has flybe got rid of the Q400 off its web site? Are they embarrassed of the old bone rattler? Nice picture of the jungle jet they have put in it's place.
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The Q400 is fantasic for getting people from Exeter to Manchester, or Glasgow to Birmigham, but it isn't going to fare very well trying to compete with Lufthansa 230s between Manchester and Frankfurt........for example.