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I flew out of bhx to bfs in October. The queues for security were awful. What really got me was that all pax were made to remove shoes. That week, I had used 4 airports, Bfs,Bhd,Man and Bhx. Bhx was the only one that made all pax remove shoes, the others were a percenatge. I asked why only bhx was doing this, I was told management instruction. I make this point after reading the comments about falling pax nos. The hassle pax have now with security at airports is bad enough without somebody in Bhx deciding to do something extra. This hardly encourgages pax to use Bhx and why do they feel that they need to be different?
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Coventrys passenger base is lo cost. The driving force for the passenger is the cost of the flight. It does not matter if it a cabin for a terminal.
Now a passenger of to or from Frankfurt on business or a company bringing in a prospective important client is a different kettle of fish.
It is a different market.
Centre cities
Now a passenger of to or from Frankfurt on business or a company bringing in a prospective important client is a different kettle of fish.
It is a different market.
Centre cities
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I believe that the "shoes" aspect has changed recently and Dublin
(as an example) was doing it well before BHX as I found out last year.
Although I am sure that there has been moans but all the people I have heard from going through BHX recently (11 last week alone) have
stated that there have been queues but little whinging.
In fact from work colleagues and friends most comments have been
positive (probably due to the pax figures) and if there is a whinge
it is baggage reclaim or the oppressive looking T1 airside.
CVT Dog
I must admit I for one found the Coventry flights an irritant at first,
(opinion has changed although probably would not use it), due to
the fact why have flights from one airport where another just up the road
has plenty of slots and space. I also questioned the viability of the
operation and boy must Coventry have a low cost base as last
winters pax would have finished most airlines.
This summers pax in fact showed a greater percentage decrease than
BHX with May to August down between 8 and 18%.
However I do realise that Thomsonfly now have a tighter operation and all flights average around the 100+ pax in summer except Orly. Next summer
is even tighter with some aircraft "W" out for the day.
Is it competition for BHX, probably but as CC stated in the last post
it is a different market and the only airlines that could really hurt BHX
in the short-term with a Coventry operation is Easyjet and Ryanair.
Coventry as a city has a reasonbly big population and should be able to support some flights but Thomsonfly I think have found it is not as easy
as it looks.
Pete
I believe that the "shoes" aspect has changed recently and Dublin
(as an example) was doing it well before BHX as I found out last year.
Although I am sure that there has been moans but all the people I have heard from going through BHX recently (11 last week alone) have
stated that there have been queues but little whinging.
In fact from work colleagues and friends most comments have been
positive (probably due to the pax figures) and if there is a whinge
it is baggage reclaim or the oppressive looking T1 airside.
CVT Dog
I must admit I for one found the Coventry flights an irritant at first,
(opinion has changed although probably would not use it), due to
the fact why have flights from one airport where another just up the road
has plenty of slots and space. I also questioned the viability of the
operation and boy must Coventry have a low cost base as last
winters pax would have finished most airlines.
This summers pax in fact showed a greater percentage decrease than
BHX with May to August down between 8 and 18%.
However I do realise that Thomsonfly now have a tighter operation and all flights average around the 100+ pax in summer except Orly. Next summer
is even tighter with some aircraft "W" out for the day.
Is it competition for BHX, probably but as CC stated in the last post
it is a different market and the only airlines that could really hurt BHX
in the short-term with a Coventry operation is Easyjet and Ryanair.
Coventry as a city has a reasonbly big population and should be able to support some flights but Thomsonfly I think have found it is not as easy
as it looks.
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Although passenger numbers are down YOY for Summer 2006 at CVT (due to reduction in number of flights), the load factor has increased. 75% in 2005, 84% 2006. Please note this information is for scheduled season flying...end March through to end October. Lord knows what kind of yield/revenue that has produced if any to attract the bums on seats.
Winter promises to be better than last year, with the runway open every day of TOM operations (2005 was resurfaced meaning late evening, Day 1 arrivals, all Day 2 and Day 3 departures and arrivals, and early morning Day 4 departures went from EMA), and VLC is operating throughout all of Winter, rather than having a gap between mid-November and early February. There, thats enough from me about CVT on the BHX thread...just wanted to show my support
Re shoes, I felt more comfortable as a passenger, with everyone having shoes taken off and checked at the height of the security alerts in August...to be honest now I would feel more comfortable if all shoes were checked today...terrorists can strike at any time, anywhere, not just at holiday season in the Government's and British Airways' Utopia of London...so well done to Birmingham airport for thinking about the safety of passengers.
Winter promises to be better than last year, with the runway open every day of TOM operations (2005 was resurfaced meaning late evening, Day 1 arrivals, all Day 2 and Day 3 departures and arrivals, and early morning Day 4 departures went from EMA), and VLC is operating throughout all of Winter, rather than having a gap between mid-November and early February. There, thats enough from me about CVT on the BHX thread...just wanted to show my support
Re shoes, I felt more comfortable as a passenger, with everyone having shoes taken off and checked at the height of the security alerts in August...to be honest now I would feel more comfortable if all shoes were checked today...terrorists can strike at any time, anywhere, not just at holiday season in the Government's and British Airways' Utopia of London...so well done to Birmingham airport for thinking about the safety of passengers.
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30 October.
The Indian diaspora living in the interiors of the UK could soon have
the option of flying with another Indian carrier.
Indian is evaluating the option of operating to Birmingham with the
leased Airbus A-330 aircraft that are to soon be inducted into its
fleet.
"Birmingham is one of the cities being considered along with
destinations in Australia, South Africa and China. Our teams have
visited the cities and a decision on which routes the A-330 aircraft
would be deployed is expected soon," a senior airline official told
Business Line.
As part of the study the airline is also examining the possibility of
operating on the Gujarat-Birmingham route as several requests have
been received from the Gujarati community both in the UK and India,
sources said.
The airline was earlier evaluating the option of deploying the Airbus
A-330 aircraft on the India-London sector. However, there was a
rethink in the airline mainly on account of drop in yields and
intense competition on the India-Heathrow route.
Currently, Air India and Jet Airways operate regular flights from
various cities in India to Heathrow, while British Airways and Virgin
Atlantic operate regular flights from Heathrow to various Indian
cities.
The intense competition on the route has seen return fares drop to as
low as Rs 18,000.
Air India, however, is the only airline from India and the UK side to
operate regular services to Birmingham.
Yesterdays online edition:
Indian Airlines announced it has established an internal panel to
review the rationalisation of international routes as it takes
delivery of widebody aircraft (Hindu Business Line, 15-Nov-06). The
carrier is considering suspending London service and launching
services to Birmingham, South Africa, Australia and Hong Kong.
The Indian diaspora living in the interiors of the UK could soon have
the option of flying with another Indian carrier.
Indian is evaluating the option of operating to Birmingham with the
leased Airbus A-330 aircraft that are to soon be inducted into its
fleet.
"Birmingham is one of the cities being considered along with
destinations in Australia, South Africa and China. Our teams have
visited the cities and a decision on which routes the A-330 aircraft
would be deployed is expected soon," a senior airline official told
Business Line.
As part of the study the airline is also examining the possibility of
operating on the Gujarat-Birmingham route as several requests have
been received from the Gujarati community both in the UK and India,
sources said.
The airline was earlier evaluating the option of deploying the Airbus
A-330 aircraft on the India-London sector. However, there was a
rethink in the airline mainly on account of drop in yields and
intense competition on the India-Heathrow route.
Currently, Air India and Jet Airways operate regular flights from
various cities in India to Heathrow, while British Airways and Virgin
Atlantic operate regular flights from Heathrow to various Indian
cities.
The intense competition on the route has seen return fares drop to as
low as Rs 18,000.
Air India, however, is the only airline from India and the UK side to
operate regular services to Birmingham.
Yesterdays online edition:
Indian Airlines announced it has established an internal panel to
review the rationalisation of international routes as it takes
delivery of widebody aircraft (Hindu Business Line, 15-Nov-06). The
carrier is considering suspending London service and launching
services to Birmingham, South Africa, Australia and Hong Kong.
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They are adding a Saturday morning rotation from this week.
The press release mentions offering an extra 232 seats per month,
which indicates that it will be a J41.
Pete
The press release mentions offering an extra 232 seats per month,
which indicates that it will be a J41.
Pete
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Interesting choice of destination for BHX, it has been mentioned many
times that there is a large Gujarati community in the East Midlands.
I wonder if they have spoken to East Midlands considering the
quotes from a local East Mids paper mentioned a few weeks ago
on the NEMA thread.
Pete
times that there is a large Gujarati community in the East Midlands.
I wonder if they have spoken to East Midlands considering the
quotes from a local East Mids paper mentioned a few weeks ago
on the NEMA thread.
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Pete. Your earlier posts regarding FlyBe and its summer schedules may prove correct if my source is to be belived. They may use their BHX based aircraft for the more lucrative BACON slots they now have at their disposal. Therefore scuppering my grand plan to hang on for Embraer flights to ALC next summer !
Drat !
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Don't tease what else have you heard?
Mine was a pure guess based on the reasoning that they said that they
will be getting rid of most of the BACON craft asap and FAO, AGP, ALC just eat up flying hours.
Is there any hit to the number of based aircraft at BHX, I think 10 or
11 was mentioned but I would love to know the split between 400/146/
195.
I just cannot believe that they will use the 145 after BACON has stated
the operation was still not making money, you just can't risk your own
business by taking them on.
It would be better to keep the three RJ100's on short lease until LCY
need them or new aircraft are delivered.
Pete
Don't tease what else have you heard?
Mine was a pure guess based on the reasoning that they said that they
will be getting rid of most of the BACON craft asap and FAO, AGP, ALC just eat up flying hours.
Is there any hit to the number of based aircraft at BHX, I think 10 or
11 was mentioned but I would love to know the split between 400/146/
195.
I just cannot believe that they will use the 145 after BACON has stated
the operation was still not making money, you just can't risk your own
business by taking them on.
It would be better to keep the three RJ100's on short lease until LCY
need them or new aircraft are delivered.
Pete
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baby to announce NEW routes from BHX very soon and let me tell you they are for once quite impressive!!!
Not your ABZ's even ..........
x1 in Portugal (not FARO - thats already been announced)
x1 in France (totally new route and not a current baby route!)
x1 in Italy (once again a totally new route and not a past baby route!)
x1 in Spain (a previous baby route from another base - and not MJV as prev announced)
any guesses .....
regards
bmibabyfc
Not your ABZ's even ..........
x1 in Portugal (not FARO - thats already been announced)
x1 in France (totally new route and not a current baby route!)
x1 in Italy (once again a totally new route and not a past baby route!)
x1 in Spain (a previous baby route from another base - and not MJV as prev announced)
any guesses .....
regards
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You love this don't you?
Portugal - Lisbon (4-5 per week?)
Italy - Rome (daily?) - please please please but no VCE or PSA?
France - good one..........Marseille or Carcassone (or Lyon?)
Spain........Barcelona must be a definite, which is amazing as other
forums or threads have mentioned slot problems
I take it that is not it, I assume with the end of Bacon could we see
four EDI's, 3 GLA's and possible 2-3 CDG.
No eastern European (Poland or Buda) or Scandinavia (Stockholm?)
I must admit I feared the worse with the BACON announcement,
I thought they would just go after market share and load the EDI's
GLA's, I thought Germany would be safe due to the LH connection.
Pete
You love this don't you?
Portugal - Lisbon (4-5 per week?)
Italy - Rome (daily?) - please please please but no VCE or PSA?
France - good one..........Marseille or Carcassone (or Lyon?)
Spain........Barcelona must be a definite, which is amazing as other
forums or threads have mentioned slot problems
I take it that is not it, I assume with the end of Bacon could we see
four EDI's, 3 GLA's and possible 2-3 CDG.
No eastern European (Poland or Buda) or Scandinavia (Stockholm?)
I must admit I feared the worse with the BACON announcement,
I thought they would just go after market share and load the EDI's
GLA's, I thought Germany would be safe due to the LH connection.
Pete
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just heard the new routes from BHX as follows ......
x1 FCO daily i think leaving first wave 0710
x1 MRS think 3 times a week
x1 bcn daily leaving 1910 i think
x1 LIS around 4 times a week
x1 FCO daily i think leaving first wave 0710
x1 MRS think 3 times a week
x1 bcn daily leaving 1910 i think
x1 LIS around 4 times a week
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bmibabyfc
ta very much but what about the rest!!!
Still lots of holes and no CDG!
If the Rome is 07.10 that is the 8 based taken up on early morning
unless they re-arrange.
No second Prague or 4th EDI or is this just aircraft number 7?
Rome - MRS/LIS - then Barcelona would scape in as a schedule .
Is there more to come or just more of what we have already.
Where is that 4th aircraft going, I thought they might re-direct it
to BHX or MAN with the flybe/bacon news
Also do you know when they go on sale as I want to go to Rome, family members want to go to BCN and possibly Lisbon. Not sure about
Marseille, they have just cut NCE and BOD more than they usually
do in winter although in the summer there are no probs.
Pete
ta very much but what about the rest!!!
Still lots of holes and no CDG!
If the Rome is 07.10 that is the 8 based taken up on early morning
unless they re-arrange.
No second Prague or 4th EDI or is this just aircraft number 7?
Rome - MRS/LIS - then Barcelona would scape in as a schedule .
Is there more to come or just more of what we have already.
Where is that 4th aircraft going, I thought they might re-direct it
to BHX or MAN with the flybe/bacon news
Also do you know when they go on sale as I want to go to Rome, family members want to go to BCN and possibly Lisbon. Not sure about
Marseille, they have just cut NCE and BOD more than they usually
do in winter although in the summer there are no probs.
Pete