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Continuation of: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...181366&page=16
Thanks, yes they are, i'll let them know.
Hansol, that's it exactly, you're way off on your analysis there....
better luck next time.
Thanks to the BA boys for the hangar...
Fred... this is the airline industry, we all have days where things go bonkers and because a 737 is on the ramp you assume its all gone wrong
BA had one in a week or so ago, does that mean they up the swanny... nope.. just managing the programme as best as they can getting passengers from a to b... after all that the name of the game isnt it???
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Fred...better have a word with you man on the rock as his time line may be out.
Can confirm that the -200 is having an engine change following an internal defect and a spare EuroManx Engine is being fitted - no drama. (This week).
Replacement aircraft this mid week were scarce due to the Euro football charters. So a mix of regular back up Air Atantique and Cirrus.
- I was on one of the LPL 737 flights and was told that it had been brought in to clear the back log of passengers building up due to the low vis at LPL. (Last week)
- ATR damaged by ground handling vehicle - replacement aircraft brought in. (Two weeks ago).
EM Ops seem to be doing a great job........
Can confirm that the -200 is having an engine change following an internal defect and a spare EuroManx Engine is being fitted - no drama. (This week).
Replacement aircraft this mid week were scarce due to the Euro football charters. So a mix of regular back up Air Atantique and Cirrus.
- I was on one of the LPL 737 flights and was told that it had been brought in to clear the back log of passengers building up due to the low vis at LPL. (Last week)
- ATR damaged by ground handling vehicle - replacement aircraft brought in. (Two weeks ago).
EM Ops seem to be doing a great job........
Hansol, that's it exactly, you're way off on your analysis there....
better luck next time.
Thanks to the BA boys for the hangar...
Fred... this is the airline industry, we all have days where things go bonkers and because a 737 is on the ramp you assume its all gone wrong
BA had one in a week or so ago, does that mean they up the swanny... nope.. just managing the programme as best as they can getting passengers from a to b... after all that the name of the game isnt it???
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BB think your analysis is wrong. The name of the game is to run an efficent airline with good punctuality and service and to make a profit. Clearing the backlog is very important, even better not to make the backlog in the first place. I wasn't critizing EM's response to the problem which is always robust, I was merely stating that the -200 was not the aircraft of choice for a LPL-IOM sector.
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No i stand by my analysis. The core part of running an airline is still getting passengers from A to B.
However I agree with you 100% that to operate a "good" airline then you have to be able to operate they way you have mentioned in your previous post.
Note: The fore mentioned chartered aircraft was a 737-300.
The -200 that keeps being referred to i presume is the Dash -200
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However I agree with you 100% that to operate a "good" airline then you have to be able to operate they way you have mentioned in your previous post.
Note: The fore mentioned chartered aircraft was a 737-300.
The -200 that keeps being referred to i presume is the Dash -200
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Prediction - euromanx will do nothing because they are in no position to do anything - limited assets in a half baked company split between Fraggle and Austria. If flybe decide to move back onto Fraggle it will be curtains for the euros. There have been opportunities for euro to get into but they and their backers got cold feet - they've been too inactive for too long. Just a prediction, though.
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Your right in a way, they have been 'quite' so to speak.
I think EuroManx are building up for something, not too sure what and I wouldn't like to guess, but pax loads have been good, and the only real operational problem has been the aircraft probs with BB and having to lease in a shiny (ok maybe not so shiny
) replacement.
Just my view, I personally think somethings on the way!
Could of course be wrong though!!
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I think EuroManx are building up for something, not too sure what and I wouldn't like to guess, but pax loads have been good, and the only real operational problem has been the aircraft probs with BB and having to lease in a shiny (ok maybe not so shiny
) replacement.Just my view, I personally think somethings on the way!
Could of course be wrong though!!
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Now FlyBes' plans are clear it seems that EuroManx will have to replaice their fleet PDQ or be stranded
. Theyr old Dash8's can't touch the Q400
for op. costs or pax apeal so unless they move FlyBe will kill them on MAN. Given the club 328 conection I asume it'll be 328's plus one ATR 72?
. Still not shure I'd want to be in their shoes rite now
. Theyr old Dash8's can't touch the Q400 for op. costs or pax apeal so unless they move FlyBe will kill them on MAN. Given the club 328 conection I asume it'll be 328's plus one ATR 72? . Still not shure I'd want to be in their shoes rite now
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With the FlyBE/BACON take over, what will happen to the Sunair Billund route which is operated as a code-share with BA. Will this be the only BA coloured aircraft we'll be likely to see at Brum? They had planned to add a morning rotation I believe next year so hopefully it'll be kept.
I presume Eastern, SN Brussels & Sunair (if the latter stays) will need to find new handling agents as I think they're all currently handled by BA
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I presume Eastern, SN Brussels & Sunair (if the latter stays) will need to find new handling agents as I think they're all currently handled by BA
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Why would Euromanx get rid of two 5-6 year old Dash 8s 37 / 50 seats and replace then with more expensve to operate Dornier 328s 30 seats.
The recent IOM airport stats show Euromanx doing better on Manchester even against Bacons latest cheap fares.
A shiny new Dash 8 400 78 seats does out perform a Dash 8 300 and a 146 / RJ but a Dash 8 400 on 5 returns a day to Manchester is 780 seats against Bacons 500 a lot of extra seats to fill.
With the ATC issues from IOM MAN IOM the speed of the aircraft does not really make a difference.
A Dash 8 400 costs about $16m and it needs paying for, soo full flights and high yield will be required.
Dash 8 400 will be an ideal aircraft for LGW.
The recent IOM airport stats show Euromanx doing better on Manchester even against Bacons latest cheap fares.
A shiny new Dash 8 400 78 seats does out perform a Dash 8 300 and a 146 / RJ but a Dash 8 400 on 5 returns a day to Manchester is 780 seats against Bacons 500 a lot of extra seats to fill.
With the ATC issues from IOM MAN IOM the speed of the aircraft does not really make a difference.
A Dash 8 400 costs about $16m and it needs paying for, soo full flights and high yield will be required.
Dash 8 400 will be an ideal aircraft for LGW.
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I disagree it will be ideal for the LGW run. The only reason the figures show lower pax numbers this last year is the artificial limitation of capacity on that route by the dog of an aircraft placed there after Bacon let their -200 go. The route is often full on peak days and times and the crews and ground staff have struggled with this for a while.
A temporary fix of one of Flybe's 146-200 should show them if the route can grow again to justify one of the EMB195s instead. The Q400 will lose out on the business travellers who choose the 146 out of snob appeal simnply because it's a jet, and trust me there's a lot out there who do!
I believe they are coming over next week to say hello and talk to the crews, so I'll ask my contact to let me know what they say.
A temporary fix of one of Flybe's 146-200 should show them if the route can grow again to justify one of the EMB195s instead. The Q400 will lose out on the business travellers who choose the 146 out of snob appeal simnply because it's a jet, and trust me there's a lot out there who do!
I believe they are coming over next week to say hello and talk to the crews, so I'll ask my contact to let me know what they say.
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My Exec Club membership always helped make BA the first choice. What clinched it was the friendliness and professionalism of the crews, and yes, I got p****d off with the rubbishy -100 imposed on us after BACX management dumped G-MIMA (in error I suspect they now realise) but the crews always made it bearable.
I for one am not looking forward to a regime which wants £x for baggage or £y for a nominated seat. I've used BACon and before that Manx and before that British Midland (ahh...Viscounts...) and what I see is what I pay is what I get. FlyBe's Loco model is not what I want.
I've used EuroManx to LCY several times and am happy to use them (or indeed VLM) in future. So I think both will benefit.
BA will be a loser though. For my not inconsiderable long haul spend may just as well go to Virgin (and their limo's run from/to LCY...).
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I have also used VLM and Euromanx and have been very satisfied with both. BA have never been very satisfactory and I no longer use them. I've always had a very good experience flying with VLM and Euromanx and both have consistently offered a great service. Euromanx have the flriendliest and most professional crews and they are by far more punctual than any other Isle of Man operator but Vlm have been quite good too and although they seem to carry very few passengers, they do try hard to please.
My colleagues and I use the Isle of man to London routes frequently and we're interested to see how things develop and who will ultimately take the lead and offer what we all need on this route.
My colleagues and I use the Isle of man to London routes frequently and we're interested to see how things develop and who will ultimately take the lead and offer what we all need on this route.
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I disagree it will be ideal for the LGW run. The only reason the figures show lower pax numbers this last year is the artificial limitation of capacity on that route by the dog of an aircraft placed there after Bacon let their -200 go. The route is often full on peak days and times and the crews and ground staff have struggled with this for a while.
A temporary fix of one of Flybe's 146-200 should show them if the route can grow again to justify one of the EMB195s instead. The Q400 will lose out on the business travellers who choose the 146 out of snob appeal simnply because it's a jet, and trust me there's a lot out there who do!
I believe they are coming over next week to say hello and talk to the crews, so I'll ask my contact to let me know what they say.
A temporary fix of one of Flybe's 146-200 should show them if the route can grow again to justify one of the EMB195s instead. The Q400 will lose out on the business travellers who choose the 146 out of snob appeal simnply because it's a jet, and trust me there's a lot out there who do!
I believe they are coming over next week to say hello and talk to the crews, so I'll ask my contact to let me know what they say.
Apparently a dis-orderly Q is being formed by them both to see who can be first to start a LPL and depryve EuroM of theyre monoploly
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Don't believe it, Fred fella. Both could have had a go on the Liverpool route already. Flybe- no money it for them - Eastern - nobody could afford the fares. And Manx2 are starting to show a degree of desperation with this new Belfast run - looking for things to do. Things achanging here, no doubt about it, but until this BA affair is sorted, the routes and the hangar, and flybe show their hand, its all sitting and speculating.
Spare a thought for the folks in engineering here who really do need a knight in shining armour to appear and save if not all but maybe some of there jobs. Lots of political fallout still to come from that, I daresay - yessir.
Spare a thought for the folks in engineering here who really do need a knight in shining armour to appear and save if not all but maybe some of there jobs. Lots of political fallout still to come from that, I daresay - yessir.
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Ba At Bhx
Will this be the only BA coloured aircraft we'll be likely to see at Brum?
Re what Fried Chicken said...
I think BA will still keep on the BRU BHX route, in fact the BRU routes are all being maintained, for eg BRS , BHX, MAN & NCL to BRU! Obviously some deal done with government or simply good fare opportunity.
Its very sad to see BA disappear from the regional airports , I for one will miss them....
Re what Fried Chicken said...
I think BA will still keep on the BRU BHX route, in fact the BRU routes are all being maintained, for eg BRS , BHX, MAN & NCL to BRU! Obviously some deal done with government or simply good fare opportunity.
Its very sad to see BA disappear from the regional airports , I for one will miss them....
Will this be the only BA coloured aircraft we'll be likely to see at Brum?
Re what Fried Chicken said...
I think BA will still keep on the BRU BHX route, in fact the BRU routes are all being maintained, for eg BRS , BHX, MAN & NCL to BRU! Obviously some deal done with government or simply good fare opportunity.
Re what Fried Chicken said...
I think BA will still keep on the BRU BHX route, in fact the BRU routes are all being maintained, for eg BRS , BHX, MAN & NCL to BRU! Obviously some deal done with government or simply good fare opportunity.
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FlyBe to take on EuroManks and can Flight Support?
Interesting times ahead for every one at ronaldsway i think! Rumour has it that there will be 3 Q-400 operated by flybe. LGW, MAN,BHX. Flight support still have another 18 months to run on the flybe contract which could prove interesting come march 2007 when manx regional will only have a handful of aircraft to handle!
with flybe's continued expansion from Brum, it would make perfect sense to base the BHX aircraft here on the rock! They should fill most seats on all the routes they will be doing especially if the flights are reliable and seats are priced accordingly!
Flybe already do 5 BHD-MAN a day and BHD LPL so back to 2 operators on IOM LPL in a fight to the finish?
Meanwhile rumors of Euros joining the BLK debacle
. If theres any truth in this shows John Seymore's really lost the plot and scrapping around at the dog end of the market becase he's petrifiyed that FlyBe are going to desimate him and canx the FS contract as well
with flybe's continued expansion from Brum, it would make perfect sense to base the BHX aircraft here on the rock! They should fill most seats on all the routes they will be doing especially if the flights are reliable and seats are priced accordingly!
Flybe already do 5 BHD-MAN a day and BHD LPL so back to 2 operators on IOM LPL in a fight to the finish?
Meanwhile rumors of Euros joining the BLK debacle
. If theres any truth in this shows John Seymore's really lost the plot and scrapping around at the dog end of the market becase he's petrifiyed that FlyBe are going to desimate him and canx the FS contract as well
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