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If you look closely at the schedule, after TT week, they will need an extra aircraft to operate the additional services just announced. There still might be hope for luton.
But you just don't know, there could have been deals done withe flybe, i.e EM stay off luton and flybe stays of LPL?
We will just wait and see
But you just don't know, there could have been deals done withe flybe, i.e EM stay off luton and flybe stays of LPL?
We will just wait and see
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Doing deals with Flybe
Euromanx should be very careful if trying to do a "deal" with Flybe.
Aurigny had a "deal" with Flybe on MAN-GCI yet now Flybe are announced that they are going onto the route.
Aurigny had a "deal" with Flybe on MAN-GCI yet now Flybe are announced that they are going onto the route.
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Part69 - I had a look at the schedule yesterday, but didn't look that far ahead, youre quite right.
Up until around mid-june there is an extra service running TUES, WED, THURS. On these days at the mo, the Baby dash is sat on the apron between 1420 and 1740, so that will work and utilise the a/c all day.
But from around mid-june onwards, looks like EMX are running extra ones on the MON, FRI, SUN in the spaces where the BHD would be, and looking at the BHD schedules, nothing has changed, so somethin extra will be needed indeed, maybe a BACON or now Flybe D8-300
fredtheanorak - I agree with you on that one aswell, BHD needs to go, as Manx2 have lots of belfast services runnin each day. Which would leave either a gap for another MAN (5) or a LTN
Up until around mid-june there is an extra service running TUES, WED, THURS. On these days at the mo, the Baby dash is sat on the apron between 1420 and 1740, so that will work and utilise the a/c all day.
But from around mid-june onwards, looks like EMX are running extra ones on the MON, FRI, SUN in the spaces where the BHD would be, and looking at the BHD schedules, nothing has changed, so somethin extra will be needed indeed, maybe a BACON or now Flybe D8-300
fredtheanorak - I agree with you on that one aswell, BHD needs to go, as Manx2 have lots of belfast services runnin each day. Which would leave either a gap for another MAN (5) or a LTN
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If EuroManx pulled off the belfast route that would be win No1 for Manx2.
The aviation business is ruthless, publicly this would be bad press for them.
EuroManx need to stay on this route and compete with Manx2 to maintain there status as the "leading airline in the IOM" John Seymour quote.
I believe they can see off manx2 but only with better schedules i.e twice a day, the second service after the last Manchester. Viable? I think so.
I aslo think they should go six a day on LPL to stop other airlines steping in.
For example VLM Mancester to LCY, route is doing very well, they had a sniff of Ba Citiflyer starting so increased flights to 9 a day to protect the route (also because of pax figures I know)
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The aviation business is ruthless, publicly this would be bad press for them.
EuroManx need to stay on this route and compete with Manx2 to maintain there status as the "leading airline in the IOM" John Seymour quote.
I believe they can see off manx2 but only with better schedules i.e twice a day, the second service after the last Manchester. Viable? I think so.
I aslo think they should go six a day on LPL to stop other airlines steping in.
For example VLM Mancester to LCY, route is doing very well, they had a sniff of Ba Citiflyer starting so increased flights to 9 a day to protect the route (also because of pax figures I know)
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Paxing All Over The World
I doubt that 'deals' would be done between airlines. In the days of the old boys clubs, they could keep that sort of thing under wraps but these days age such things tend not to remain private for long.
If two companies collude to not compete with each, they will be investigated by the likes of the Office of Fair Trading.
If two companies collude to not compete with each, they will be investigated by the likes of the Office of Fair Trading.
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Thanks for that Pabely,... and noted. As a businessman in the North East, I am getting VERY fed up with road and rail links around the UK. If you go by road, you spend half you life in queues wondering if you will ever get there and if you go by rail you run the risk of standing room only and then possibility of ending up in a field after derailment !!
Even going from Manchester or Liverpool (to fly North OR South) you are talking half an hour to park the car (especially Man) and get back to the terminal and all the associated aggro with it. What we need in this area is a Business type airline hopping around the UK like it used to be before the Low cost boys started with a 'park the car in the car park over the road' and be checked in and on the plane in 30-40 mins if you are short on time or have a drink in the executive lounge at Blackpool for 20 mins. Big airports like Manchester do nothing these days for the business traveller IMHO. Just the bucket and spade lot.
Problem is up here, you can only do that from local places like Blackpool & maybe Carlisle eventually ?
I heard they were looking at such a thing from Coventry recently which would be a good idea to escape the M6 and if you are going to Central London what better for me that Blackpool to Luton and then train for the last 20 mins and I am in Central London !!
Even going from Manchester or Liverpool (to fly North OR South) you are talking half an hour to park the car (especially Man) and get back to the terminal and all the associated aggro with it. What we need in this area is a Business type airline hopping around the UK like it used to be before the Low cost boys started with a 'park the car in the car park over the road' and be checked in and on the plane in 30-40 mins if you are short on time or have a drink in the executive lounge at Blackpool for 20 mins. Big airports like Manchester do nothing these days for the business traveller IMHO. Just the bucket and spade lot.
Problem is up here, you can only do that from local places like Blackpool & maybe Carlisle eventually ?
I heard they were looking at such a thing from Coventry recently which would be a good idea to escape the M6 and if you are going to Central London what better for me that Blackpool to Luton and then train for the last 20 mins and I am in Central London !!
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Pullin off BHD post TT?
Looking at the Euros website today I C theyve' stuk up the fares on Mon + Fridays after TT to levels nowones' goin to pay. 
Is this to stop any more bookings befor they canx the evening rotatiuns strate after TT?
makes no sence to go 4x a day to MAN on midweak but not on M & Fri -buzzyiest days
. Still think they shuold canx Morning BHD as well and grab LTN its a big market.
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way back in the good old days LTN was offered as the Farecracker route to London off setting the high fare profile of IOM/LHR with Manx Airlines
Fares have always therefore remained in the low area of GBP69-00 - GBP120-00 rtn. BA followed suit and in fact AerArann found they were also unable to push the fares higher as the route has always been seen as the cheap way to London no-one has been able to extract a yeild that would make it profitable to operate...
That's why no one is on it. Obviously it is a tantalising carrot with theoretically 6000 pax per mth which from the Summer 06 pax stats who want to go there.
Another mystery of IOM services....loads of pax but they don't want to part with the cash.....
way back in the good old days LTN was offered as the Farecracker route to London off setting the high fare profile of IOM/LHR with Manx Airlines
Fares have always therefore remained in the low area of GBP69-00 - GBP120-00 rtn. BA followed suit and in fact AerArann found they were also unable to push the fares higher as the route has always been seen as the cheap way to London no-one has been able to extract a yeild that would make it profitable to operate...
That's why no one is on it. Obviously it is a tantalising carrot with theoretically 6000 pax per mth which from the Summer 06 pax stats who want to go there.
Another mystery of IOM services....loads of pax but they don't want to part with the cash.....
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Well fellas, looks like the flymaybes are now the flydefinates on the Rock and with more to come so they say in the MI. The redtails haven't made much of a response in fact blink and youve missed itand where sare those extra seats they are supposed to need. Flybe must be shakin in there boots - not. Me and the fellas still reckon the redtails can be taken out if flybe wanted to do it. Might be better for all concerned if they bring those long prop jobs and the 195 over, yessir.
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Is it just me or have prices on 3W flights suddenly risen a hell of a lot?!
Attempted to book a return flight for June. No chance on earth I'm paying what they quoted me. I can go via Dublin for cheaper than that!!!
Looks like I'll be taking the 410' option to Blackpool then!
Sorry euromanx but if you want to keep your Liverpool/Manchester customers those prices are going to have to come down a notch.
Attempted to book a return flight for June. No chance on earth I'm paying what they quoted me. I can go via Dublin for cheaper than that!!!
Looks like I'll be taking the 410' option to Blackpool then!
Sorry euromanx but if you want to keep your Liverpool/Manchester customers those prices are going to have to come down a notch.
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Ronnie, fella, We can argue about fares all night and miss valuable drinking time. Juan has just had a look on this blueberry gizmo he's 'acquired' and you pays your money and takes your choice now I don't know when you want to fly but heres a comparison. Leave the rock on friday 1 june at 0720 to Liverpool with the redtails and 0725 with manxietoos to Blackpool then come back a week later 1050 redtails 1125 manxies and the redtails come in a fiver cheaper. So me and the fellas reckon your being a bit disingenuos you know what I mean and Juan couldn't spell it but he'll have a check on his blackcurrant.
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From an airline operational point of view the fares are about right for the costs involved. In any airline you have a difficult balancing act to make money, if you put the prices up, less people will travel, if you keep them low to try and attract custom you run the risk of making a very large loss. The problem with the Island has always been the same (and its getting worse) too many airlines, not enough people. John Seymour's gimmick of selling some of his tickets at gbp 28 is a clever one, it highlights the costs these guys have to bear. RWY is a very expensive place to operate from, and lets face it you don't get a lot for your money! Prices wil always find the right level and on the Island at least there is always the boat to keep everyone honest
You pays your money and you takes your choice, the only people who can break this cycle are the government and until they do air traffic on the IOM will continue to decline.
You pays your money and you takes your choice, the only people who can break this cycle are the government and until they do air traffic on the IOM will continue to decline.
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Hansol, would you care to clarify what you mean by...
'the only people who can break this cycle are the government and until they do air traffic on the IOM will continue to decline'.
'the only people who can break this cycle are the government and until they do air traffic on the IOM will continue to decline'.
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This is called in the economic world as elasticity.
All airlines serving the island will pitch their fares into the correct margin for the maximum income and therefore profit.
Travel on the island is essential, meaning air travel has an inelasticity, as prices can rise, but demand will not fall. I therefore cannot see how the airports figures will keep declining? Increase of flights from Manx2 and Euromanx in the coming months, the airports fortunes may start to change.
Just look at FR, they pile there seats high and sell them low. Would you pay 100 pounds to somewhere like Sczezin or Alghero, no, but you would pay 20 pounds. Mr OL has really executed the elasticity on EU travel.
All airlines serving the island will pitch their fares into the correct margin for the maximum income and therefore profit.
Travel on the island is essential, meaning air travel has an inelasticity, as prices can rise, but demand will not fall. I therefore cannot see how the airports figures will keep declining? Increase of flights from Manx2 and Euromanx in the coming months, the airports fortunes may start to change.
Just look at FR, they pile there seats high and sell them low. Would you pay 100 pounds to somewhere like Sczezin or Alghero, no, but you would pay 20 pounds. Mr OL has really executed the elasticity on EU travel.
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Let's not lose sight of the cost per seat involved. The Rock will never have a Ryanair or Easyjet without a longer runway, and a willingness by the government to put all their eggs into one 190 seat jet to Liverpool or Manchester per day, which is not going to happen. So for as long as turboporps are flying routes, fares should reflect the cost of flying small capacity aircraft on relatively price sensitive routes. We're kidding ourselves if we think airlines will pump loads of seats out on prime time flights at low fares.
Supply and demand, convenience and need to travel, aircraft speed and ferry crossing times. The customer has a choice, but if the airlines go all silly again and try to see who has the deepest pockets, we're stuffed, yet again.
Let every airline find its niche, serve it well and economically; if they step out of line with what the other airlines could provide on that route, they will pay the price by inviting competition, so indirect competiton should keep manners on the fares charged.
I get the impression some posters know what they are talking about, but many cannot see beyond the haze of Ryanairesque fares. Get real. Airlines are businesses, they need to make money. If Islanders want reliable services, they need to pay economical rates for all parties.
If the existing airlines cannot get the fares they need to continue the service, they will drop out. And then what will we have - there are very few suitable airlines with turboprops left in the UK, and one at least has props which are too expensive for 30 minute flights. Just think about it.
Supply and demand, convenience and need to travel, aircraft speed and ferry crossing times. The customer has a choice, but if the airlines go all silly again and try to see who has the deepest pockets, we're stuffed, yet again.
Let every airline find its niche, serve it well and economically; if they step out of line with what the other airlines could provide on that route, they will pay the price by inviting competition, so indirect competiton should keep manners on the fares charged.
I get the impression some posters know what they are talking about, but many cannot see beyond the haze of Ryanairesque fares. Get real. Airlines are businesses, they need to make money. If Islanders want reliable services, they need to pay economical rates for all parties.
If the existing airlines cannot get the fares they need to continue the service, they will drop out. And then what will we have - there are very few suitable airlines with turboprops left in the UK, and one at least has props which are too expensive for 30 minute flights. Just think about it.
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The iom government have it in their power to provide a level of certainty to the airlines operating from the Island. They could for instance grant route licences with certain conditions, in the same way as they have given a long term licence to the Steam Packet. They chose to run an open skies policy which does not work, look how many airlines have come and gone in the last 10 years. If the airlines have this security they will invest,they will improve and the whole Island and its economy will benefit.
But it costs what it costs to run an airline and like any business they have to make a profit to survive.
But it costs what it costs to run an airline and like any business they have to make a profit to survive.