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Crab - Who might you be alluding to in respect of your demented baboon comment? Who do you think has access to flight plan data? Do you for instance expect the AD/Minister to be at work at 0600 to check every day's flight plans??
Maybe Flight support ought to have given the Chief Minister a ring to prevent this national disaster!
Crab - Who might you be alluding to in respect of your demented baboon comment? Who do you think has access to flight plan data? Do you for instance expect the AD/Minister to be at work at 0600 to check every day's flight plans??
Maybe Flight support ought to have given the Chief Minister a ring to prevent this national disaster!
The minister/AD do not need to be there in person but surely it rang alarm bells with someone that a major asset was leaving suddenly and anyway why should the AD not be there at 6am. It should not be a 9 to 5 job.
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Crab, I appreciate what you're saying, but without good reason it is not within the remit of any rank and file employee to withhold permission to fly.
I agree that the early departure of the dash was probably intended to beat any attempt to recalim debt, but without a specific instruction to detain (impossible to issue without knowledge of the impending cessation of trading) the ATC staff on duty, the only ones apart from FS who could have prevented the departure would have been powerless however much suspicion they had of what was afoot. The blame rests fairly & squarely with EM management for those tactics even given the naievety of the IOM government.
I agree that the early departure of the dash was probably intended to beat any attempt to recalim debt, but without a specific instruction to detain (impossible to issue without knowledge of the impending cessation of trading) the ATC staff on duty, the only ones apart from FS who could have prevented the departure would have been powerless however much suspicion they had of what was afoot. The blame rests fairly & squarely with EM management for those tactics even given the naievety of the IOM government.
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Well the minister and the airport director where would you like to start !!!
The runway extension which already over budget...............
EuroManx Failure
The introduction of APD when it was not required by Law (JER exempt)
Emerald ..Twice on twice off
Aer Aranns ..Adventure on the rock
British Airways.. In your face to the IOM Govt
Comed Enough.. Said
BNWA Enough ..Said
Manx Airlines - The Same Electrician who dealth with that is now Chief Minister
This is what happens when you let amateurs run Government bodies. They have a lot to answer and they know it themselves. Can they honestly think that this is any sort of an Island that the Finance Industry
would invest in ahead of Jersey and Guernsey.....I think not and this is why the panic is on.
Who is the Airport Director and has anybody seen him in the airport lately !!
Oh keep an eye on the flights next week you never know who may be leaving the Island !!! but you never heard it from me.
Good luck to a great team at EMX you should hold your heads high its the management who let you down and to claim they did'nt know is just about their style.
The runway extension which already over budget...............
EuroManx Failure
The introduction of APD when it was not required by Law (JER exempt)
Emerald ..Twice on twice off
Aer Aranns ..Adventure on the rock
British Airways.. In your face to the IOM Govt
Comed Enough.. Said
BNWA Enough ..Said
Manx Airlines - The Same Electrician who dealth with that is now Chief Minister
This is what happens when you let amateurs run Government bodies. They have a lot to answer and they know it themselves. Can they honestly think that this is any sort of an Island that the Finance Industry
would invest in ahead of Jersey and Guernsey.....I think not and this is why the panic is on.
Who is the Airport Director and has anybody seen him in the airport lately !!
Oh keep an eye on the flights next week you never know who may be leaving the Island !!! but you never heard it from me.
Good luck to a great team at EMX you should hold your heads high its the management who let you down and to claim they did'nt know is just about their style.
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For some good to come out of this debacle surely IOM Government now needs to look and see what it needs to change to ensure its presernt operators stay with them. 
. Logie Bear, Manxy2,Arran, Eastern all need reassurance they'll not be pushed away. If money was there to help 3W when it was too late better to spend it now when help is needed . Forgetting the 
£30m runway extension would be a good place to start. The way the government policy is there wont be anyone to use there great long bit of tarmac except BE who don't need it for a q400 anyway
And what was the airport director up to on Wednesday saying 3Ws aircraft had only gone for maintenence.
The government knew the truth but she spouted . Everyone on pprune also knew the second aircraft was leaving Friday. The timing of pulling the rug on Friday had been known for days
. Logie Bear, Manxy2,Arran, Eastern all need reassurance they'll not be pushed away. If money was there to help 3W when it was too late better to spend it now when help is needed . Forgetting the £30m runway extension would be a good place to start. The way the government policy is there wont be anyone to use there great long bit of tarmac except BE who don't need it for a q400 anywayAnd what was the airport director up to on Wednesday saying 3Ws aircraft had only gone for maintenence.
The government knew the truth but she spouted . Everyone on pprune also knew the second aircraft was leaving Friday. The timing of pulling the rug on Friday had been known for days
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Do you know what, this persistent dig at "the management" has got to stop.
Managers only manage what they are told to manage. They have (had) no control over important decisions such as when/if a company is going to fold.
In the case of EMX, the management were not kept informed of what was going on with the state of the company. They were advised that it was business as usual. They were informed of negotiations with FlyBe but for the last couple of weeks all was quiet. The first they know of the demise of EMX was a general email to all staff on Friday morning. They were as shocked as everyone else that this had happened.
To say that they are responsible for the demise of the company is slanderous and wrong. How could a manager be responsible for something so major? Its preposterous. this was a business and as such decisions were made at CEO and board level not by the lower ranks. Any suggestion/idea always had to receive approval by these people too.
So to all the posters who keep mentioning "the management" please get a grip on reality and understand the workings of a business before you whinge on this site.
Managers only manage what they are told to manage. They have (had) no control over important decisions such as when/if a company is going to fold.
In the case of EMX, the management were not kept informed of what was going on with the state of the company. They were advised that it was business as usual. They were informed of negotiations with FlyBe but for the last couple of weeks all was quiet. The first they know of the demise of EMX was a general email to all staff on Friday morning. They were as shocked as everyone else that this had happened.
To say that they are responsible for the demise of the company is slanderous and wrong. How could a manager be responsible for something so major? Its preposterous. this was a business and as such decisions were made at CEO and board level not by the lower ranks. Any suggestion/idea always had to receive approval by these people too.
So to all the posters who keep mentioning "the management" please get a grip on reality and understand the workings of a business before you whinge on this site.
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I'm a journalist and we get the same rabid accusations:
"Everybody down the pub/at the airport/my next door neighbour KNOWS Euromanx is going down, why don't you get off your arses and report on it?"
Fact is, to have done so before the official announcement would have prejudiced possible takeover or sale deals and/or cost jobs. The IOM Transport Minister got a 'no comment' from EMX on Wednesday, and I actually got through on John Seymour's moby on Weds or Thurs, but he was 'on another call and would call me back'.
Like many people, I'm still waiting...
Hope those who lost jobs get sorted soon.
"Everybody down the pub/at the airport/my next door neighbour KNOWS Euromanx is going down, why don't you get off your arses and report on it?"
Fact is, to have done so before the official announcement would have prejudiced possible takeover or sale deals and/or cost jobs. The IOM Transport Minister got a 'no comment' from EMX on Wednesday, and I actually got through on John Seymour's moby on Weds or Thurs, but he was 'on another call and would call me back'.
Like many people, I'm still waiting...
Hope those who lost jobs get sorted soon.
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I agree that no one can act on speculation but the way Ann Reeynolds has dealt with this was absurd, an absolute disgrace.
Will someone tell the government that they're failure to act on this or do anything more than "put in a call" to EMX is a clear failing and as for the AD outside Ronaldsway telling people that EMX was just off for maintenance and it's routine for most airlines I just can't believe it. How can you either be so naive or just plain stupid.
.... Then, when the ships hit the fan she plonks a notice on the Aer Arann ATR. Need I say more. Anyone else fancy a bash - no qualifications necessary.
Will someone tell the government that they're failure to act on this or do anything more than "put in a call" to EMX is a clear failing and as for the AD outside Ronaldsway telling people that EMX was just off for maintenance and it's routine for most airlines I just can't believe it. How can you either be so naive or just plain stupid.
.... Then, when the ships hit the fan she plonks a notice on the Aer Arann ATR. Need I say more. Anyone else fancy a bash - no qualifications necessary.
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.. and another thing. If it wasn't for Flybe any Manxy2 reaccommodating passengers free of charge there would be public outrage over the government handling of this. It's just the fact that the public are being looked after that people are not so upset.
It seems the two companies are saving the governments rear end for not acting on rumour/speculation more than just a phone call.
It seems the two companies are saving the governments rear end for not acting on rumour/speculation more than just a phone call.
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You would have thought heads have got to roll over this in Government? As has been said before, the word on the street about Euromanx has been around for at least three months. Talk to any IOM taxi driver and he will give you ten stories about how IOM is loosing business hand over fist with Channel Islands on offshore business. Trouble is, it will all get kicked under the carpet as normal.
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I do disagree - had journalist given the story away I wouldn't mind betting there would be people complaining still.
The responsibility for the whole mess lies with the airline Management and Directors themselves - not having the decency to tell their own staff. Imagine how the employees would feel to have a newspaper tell them they had no jobs left - it is entirely the CEO fault and he really should be made to issue an apology to each and every staff member for leading them on in the way he has.
The responsibility for the whole mess lies with the airline Management and Directors themselves - not having the decency to tell their own staff. Imagine how the employees would feel to have a newspaper tell them they had no jobs left - it is entirely the CEO fault and he really should be made to issue an apology to each and every staff member for leading them on in the way he has.
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I totally agree with cloud1. This has been an airline awaiting its demise due to bad management decisions for so long. Gifted a cash cow, the Liverpool route by Emerald and also with the slots loaned by Jersey European to London City there was the ability there to make money using the right type of aircraft at the right time. But what a drain must have been the initial show off of 2 RJ's which used to stand on the rgound for long hours , and then the long term wet lease of an ATR72 which frequently flew half full.
And as for the slating the AD has come in for with the unfortunate comment about maintenance, what about the comment which according to the local press came from the CEO last week - something along the lines of "all is normal and we are still in the business of leasing aircraft"
This was the he only comment he has made in weeks after so much bullish talk prior to that.
No I'm sorry, the open skies policy may have been a factor, but is not to blame. That rests fairly & squarely back in Aus.
And as for the slating the AD has come in for with the unfortunate comment about maintenance, what about the comment which according to the local press came from the CEO last week - something along the lines of "all is normal and we are still in the business of leasing aircraft"
This was the he only comment he has made in weeks after so much bullish talk prior to that.
No I'm sorry, the open skies policy may have been a factor, but is not to blame. That rests fairly & squarely back in Aus.
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i agree with Cloud1 he should be made to issue an apology, i worked there and although lots of the staff are sorted already for new positions there are plenty especially in the office staff that will struggle to find similar paid jobs.
problem is he would have to grow a spine to stand up and admit he handled the ceasing of trading as badly as he handled the running of the business, still didnt stop him and his cronies lining their own pockets.
Seymour. you are no longer welcome on this island and you will not be well remembered.
problem is he would have to grow a spine to stand up and admit he handled the ceasing of trading as badly as he handled the running of the business, still didnt stop him and his cronies lining their own pockets.
Seymour. you are no longer welcome on this island and you will not be well remembered.
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Let's get real and stop all the emotion! Simple fact is that Euromanx failed, mainly because their business model didn't work. They weren't a no-frills airline yet they were trying to compete with one. If they'd followed Flybe's model (and Ryanair's) of generating significant amounts of subsidiary income then they may have been able to compete with Flybe's fares. But living in the dark ages of commercial management failed them. Staff were fantastic - and it's a travesty that the Board failed them.
But why should the Government get involved? What's it got to do with them? It's a free market and like all businesses - some succeed and others fail. And to lay criticism at the door of the Airport Director is crazy. She has absolutely nothing at all to do with the economics of running an airline.
We have to face it that the Isle of Man has only 80,000 people (same population as Worthing) and let's not forget that it was well over 10 years ago that Manx Airlines lowered its fares to London to £99 round trip (and that was before APD!). Today's lowest fare to London is well under £99, compared to the equivalent of £120 ten years ago!! And that's despite ten years of inflation.
So maybe we really have been "having it too good for too long" and a bit of reality is coming home to roost.
But why should the Government get involved? What's it got to do with them? It's a free market and like all businesses - some succeed and others fail. And to lay criticism at the door of the Airport Director is crazy. She has absolutely nothing at all to do with the economics of running an airline.
We have to face it that the Isle of Man has only 80,000 people (same population as Worthing) and let's not forget that it was well over 10 years ago that Manx Airlines lowered its fares to London to £99 round trip (and that was before APD!). Today's lowest fare to London is well under £99, compared to the equivalent of £120 ten years ago!! And that's despite ten years of inflation.
So maybe we really have been "having it too good for too long" and a bit of reality is coming home to roost.
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Oh dear........ £3-4 million debt, up to 40,000 creditors
Sorry for being somewhat uneducated on company law & practice, but how could their accountants and auditors have let things get so bad without pulling the plug??
http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/EuroM...ors.4073110.jp
http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/EuroM...ors.4073110.jp
VLM Will not help stranded PAX
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I hear Seymour has now left the Island already, preplanned as rumoured on here. He was booked with flybe and has now left the island with his family - running away back to Australia and letting his whole workforce pick up the pieces!
An absolute disgrace the way this has been handled. I don't think he will be back anytime this century!
An absolute disgrace the way this has been handled. I don't think he will be back anytime this century!
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If you're refering to AFO, you'll see his posts no longer have info which must mean he's de-registered and gone elsewhere.
He did say to contact him regarding possible opportunities for Flybe, but now he's not here, the only way to get in contact is to roll up to the crewroom and ask for him. Either leave a message or contact number under the door or with another crewmember.
I asked him yesterday before I flew back home and he should be on an office day this Friday. The lazy flump should be in about 10am so pop in and chat to him then.
Personally, from where I look from the other side of the water, I do think the majority of the blame must still reside at Seymour Senior. He stripped the value out of EMX before leaving the dreggs with his son. Accusing the AD is just out of order. In no way could a Civil Servant in Her position be able to spill the beans before hand like that without opening up the Govt to legal action of forcing them out of business.
If JS had dropped trying to compete with Flybe and concentrate on LCY where he could have made a decent living, then perhaps things might have been rescuable, but even then, it's unlikely.
If only the Govt. had invested and kept hold of Manx Airlines we all say. Hindsight is excellent value, I'll take a box please!
He did say to contact him regarding possible opportunities for Flybe, but now he's not here, the only way to get in contact is to roll up to the crewroom and ask for him. Either leave a message or contact number under the door or with another crewmember.
I asked him yesterday before I flew back home and he should be on an office day this Friday. The lazy flump should be in about 10am so pop in and chat to him then.
Personally, from where I look from the other side of the water, I do think the majority of the blame must still reside at Seymour Senior. He stripped the value out of EMX before leaving the dreggs with his son. Accusing the AD is just out of order. In no way could a Civil Servant in Her position be able to spill the beans before hand like that without opening up the Govt to legal action of forcing them out of business.
If JS had dropped trying to compete with Flybe and concentrate on LCY where he could have made a decent living, then perhaps things might have been rescuable, but even then, it's unlikely.
If only the Govt. had invested and kept hold of Manx Airlines we all say. Hindsight is excellent value, I'll take a box please!