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FR worst, U2 second worst, etc, etc. You know that it really dosent matter. Ordinary passengers just want to get from A to B safely and on time. If the cabins are a bit tatty, so what? If the crew dont smile...well thats something to moan about
I think the service was perhaps slightly freindlier about 3-4 years ago, but wush such an enormous expansion programme I suppose something has to suffer.
My major gripe with FR is actually the inflexability. For example Im using FR LBA-DUB this saturday. I forgot to add a bag to my booking(pesky new rules
). Do you think its possible to add a bag on-line? ahh, that would be no. If I wished to I could do it over the phone....but for the same charges I would pay @the airport. And the condtions attatched to the web check? OMG charge, after charge after charge. Its silly things like this that make FR such an unattractive way to fly. The fight cost 50 GBP one-way, not exactly a low fare?
BTW Im returning with Luxair from DUB to MAN on sunday....100 EUR , and full service, Vs 120 GPB for FR to MAN. Personally the FR product works for me at fares up to about 50 GBP, but not more, especially if there is a viable choice , eg EI, cityJet, Luxair, etc.
MOL is so proud of his low fares and great service, why then is EI almost always less expensive when booking a week in advance? We can not always predict our travel patterns and when we will want to fly.Why is the web site such mess, filled with misleading FR propaganda and basic in terms of functionality? I guess not all SLF have as much knowlage as regards routes as we on here do and they'll just stup up, nt knowing that there are other options.
I think the service was perhaps slightly freindlier about 3-4 years ago, but wush such an enormous expansion programme I suppose something has to suffer. My major gripe with FR is actually the inflexability. For example Im using FR LBA-DUB this saturday. I forgot to add a bag to my booking(pesky new rules
). Do you think its possible to add a bag on-line? ahh, that would be no. If I wished to I could do it over the phone....but for the same charges I would pay @the airport. And the condtions attatched to the web check? OMG charge, after charge after charge. Its silly things like this that make FR such an unattractive way to fly. The fight cost 50 GBP one-way, not exactly a low fare?BTW Im returning with Luxair from DUB to MAN on sunday....100 EUR , and full service, Vs 120 GPB for FR to MAN. Personally the FR product works for me at fares up to about 50 GBP, but not more, especially if there is a viable choice , eg EI, cityJet, Luxair, etc.
MOL is so proud of his low fares and great service, why then is EI almost always less expensive when booking a week in advance? We can not always predict our travel patterns and when we will want to fly.Why is the web site such mess, filled with misleading FR propaganda and basic in terms of functionality? I guess not all SLF have as much knowlage as regards routes as we on here do and they'll just stup up, nt knowing that there are other options.
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Brian,
You are hitting on those crucial 20% of pax who no doubt make up 80% of FR's profits, MOL is well versed in the rule of Pareto.
Ryanair are so easy to hate as an airline, but when it comes to running a business, their margins are leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. Sure, they have learned from Southwest etc, but having their routes development director ask them some questions about this very topic (ie why Southwest don't ramp up their fares in the last week before departure) at the World Low Cost Airlines Congress was very telling.
Who's profit margins are twice those of Southwest?
By all means shop around, but as you say too many people don't bother, only then to pick up a Hertz rental car booked through FR, and spend ages queing for it, boosting FR's bottom line further.
You are hitting on those crucial 20% of pax who no doubt make up 80% of FR's profits, MOL is well versed in the rule of Pareto.
Ryanair are so easy to hate as an airline, but when it comes to running a business, their margins are leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. Sure, they have learned from Southwest etc, but having their routes development director ask them some questions about this very topic (ie why Southwest don't ramp up their fares in the last week before departure) at the World Low Cost Airlines Congress was very telling.
Who's profit margins are twice those of Southwest?
By all means shop around, but as you say too many people don't bother, only then to pick up a Hertz rental car booked through FR, and spend ages queing for it, boosting FR's bottom line further.
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[quote=brian_dromey;2931509] Do you think its possible to add a bag on-line? ahh, that would be no. If I wished to I could do it over the phone....but for the same charges I would pay @the airport.
Not true. If you call before your flight, a day b4 maybe you can pay the online fee. I did it last month. You might have to give a days notice or something.
Not true. If you call before your flight, a day b4 maybe you can pay the online fee. I did it last month. You might have to give a days notice or something.
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Yes FR are easy to hate, and I dont hate them, and I certainly admire them as a means of public transport. They are great at doing what they do, but there are somerules which sre silly and stupid and make the whole experience much more stressful than necessary. There are always options but ppl just assume that FR will ALWAYS be the cheapest on any given route, this is not always the case. As tiresome as the process may become, FR have revolutionised air travel and continue to do so, and for that they must be applauded.
For the record I never buy "ancillary revenue" products from FR, they are usually not good value. Better deals can be found elsewhere. Don't even get me started on the catering.......
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Ryanair expanision talks
Ryanair in talks over expansion at EDI.
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1591372006
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1591372006
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Your telling me why would RYR pilots not want a takeover, I think they are buying them at the current price and when MOL offers more they will sell
them to him and make a bit of pocket money, this takeover has a lot more
twists and turns to come.
them to him and make a bit of pocket money, this takeover has a lot more
twists and turns to come.
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Courtesy of the Sunday Tribune yesterday (www.tribune.ie) - I find it very hard to believe that pilots would potentially **** up their pension fund and their family homes for the cause?
"A NUMBER of Aer Lingus pilots have remortgaged their homes to buy stock in the airline in an effort to fend off the 1.5bn Ryanair bid for the former state carrier.
Almost all of the 400 Aer Lingus pilots are members of the Tailwind Nominees consortium that last week spent almost 20m to acquire a 1.83% stake in the airline. The Irish Airline Pilots' Pension (IAPP) fund has a 2.7% stake, acquired at a cost of roughly 30m. Sources familiar with the Tailwind consortium confirmed that some of the pilots have remortgaged their homes to buy the shares, which have so far cost members an average of 50,000 each. Such a strategy is seen as highly risky by financial experts, as Aer Lingus does not intend to pay a dividend, so pilots are not guaranteed any return from their investment.
Several Sunday Tribune sources said last week that pilots are so concerned about Ryanair taking control of Aer Lingus that they are prepared to go to extraordinary lengths to scuttle Michael O'Leary's battle plan. The Irish Pensions Board recently cautioned the IAPP that it must only make investments that are for the longterm benefit of its members. The warning came after the IAPP used pension funds to buy Aer Lingus shares. The Financial Regulator said it would advise any consumer who borrows to invest that they are at risk of interest rate fluctuations and that it may cost more to borrow the money than could be made on the investment.
Last week, entrepreneur Denis O'Brien said he might buy more Aer Lingus stock to prevent a Ryanair takeover. An additional investment of almost 100m at 3.05 a share would secure 6% of the airline . . . enough to end Ryanair's takeover attempt."
"A NUMBER of Aer Lingus pilots have remortgaged their homes to buy stock in the airline in an effort to fend off the 1.5bn Ryanair bid for the former state carrier.
Almost all of the 400 Aer Lingus pilots are members of the Tailwind Nominees consortium that last week spent almost 20m to acquire a 1.83% stake in the airline. The Irish Airline Pilots' Pension (IAPP) fund has a 2.7% stake, acquired at a cost of roughly 30m. Sources familiar with the Tailwind consortium confirmed that some of the pilots have remortgaged their homes to buy the shares, which have so far cost members an average of 50,000 each. Such a strategy is seen as highly risky by financial experts, as Aer Lingus does not intend to pay a dividend, so pilots are not guaranteed any return from their investment.
Several Sunday Tribune sources said last week that pilots are so concerned about Ryanair taking control of Aer Lingus that they are prepared to go to extraordinary lengths to scuttle Michael O'Leary's battle plan. The Irish Pensions Board recently cautioned the IAPP that it must only make investments that are for the longterm benefit of its members. The warning came after the IAPP used pension funds to buy Aer Lingus shares. The Financial Regulator said it would advise any consumer who borrows to invest that they are at risk of interest rate fluctuations and that it may cost more to borrow the money than could be made on the investment.
Last week, entrepreneur Denis O'Brien said he might buy more Aer Lingus stock to prevent a Ryanair takeover. An additional investment of almost 100m at 3.05 a share would secure 6% of the airline . . . enough to end Ryanair's takeover attempt."
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Shame that other pilots didn't follow suit when their respective airlines were privatised in order to protect their T&C's and get a say in the direction of the airline through possible board representation. It is great to see the Aer Lingus pilots not rolling over like so many have done before.
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When said privatisation occurred, the amount of available shares for purchase was in the hundreds of millions. Even if they had tried, it's highly unlikely that the pilots at most carriers would have had the financial wherewithall to come up with the funds to gain a "voting" share, never mind gaining a controlling interest.
When said privatisation occurred, the amount of available shares for purchase was in the hundreds of millions. Even if they had tried, it's highly unlikely that the pilots at most carriers would have had the financial wherewithall to come up with the funds to gain a "voting" share, never mind gaining a controlling interest.
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Italian press report about three new route from Rimini (RMI) to "england area airport" (excluded London). Will be annonced soon and start from March 2007.
Rimini is a very popolar italian summer destinations on adriatic sea
Rimini is a very popolar italian summer destinations on adriatic sea
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Seems to me that all that will happen is MOL has now talked up the share price and will then sell netting a huge profit just as the Icelandics did with easyJet.
All those that have re-mortgaged their homes to buy shares are taking an extraordinary risk! Having shares in your own company bought through remortgaging your house is very very dodgy.
I wish them luck but I think one way or another it will end in tears.
All those that have re-mortgaged their homes to buy shares are taking an extraordinary risk! Having shares in your own company bought through remortgaging your house is very very dodgy.
I wish them luck but I think one way or another it will end in tears.
