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I agree about limited destinations and the cost of flights. You never seem to get a good deal out of Bournemouth.
What is the cost of a taxi from Bournemouth International Airport to the nearest station?
From Southampton is costs nothing.
What is the cost of a taxi from Bournemouth International Airport to the nearest station?
From Southampton is costs nothing.
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NOV 2010 passenger numbers
As expected, passenger numbers plunged in Nov 2010 by -70%. Just 11,949 passengers were processed, bringing the 12 month rolling number down to 779,419. On the positive front the flight to New York doubled pax, Barbados grew by 97%, Paphos by 56% and Tunisia (MIR) by 27%.
Similar passenger numbers at airports for Nov 2010:
Blackpool 9,094
Durham 15,361
Plymouth 7,217
Newquay 12,308
Humberside 16,240
Competitor airports for Nov 2010:
Southampton 127,019
Exeter 41,826
Similar passenger numbers at airports for Nov 2010:
Blackpool 9,094
Durham 15,361
Plymouth 7,217
Newquay 12,308
Humberside 16,240
Competitor airports for Nov 2010:
Southampton 127,019
Exeter 41,826
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Frustrating development
Palmair still havent released their summer 2011 programme for flights on other carriers.
Meantime Thomas Cook just announced new Southampton to Menorca flights on Flybe ERJ-195's.
Palmair still not learning lessons! If you wait, others beat you to it.
Bournemouth also needs to work fast to plug gaps or Southampton will do it first and likelyhood is that it will become ever more difficult to attract operators to Bournemouth.
Meantime Thomas Cook just announced new Southampton to Menorca flights on Flybe ERJ-195's.
Palmair still not learning lessons! If you wait, others beat you to it.
Bournemouth also needs to work fast to plug gaps or Southampton will do it first and likelyhood is that it will become ever more difficult to attract operators to Bournemouth.
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Spot on Shamrock !
They should have been planning for 2011 before they started construction, not relying on Ryanair !
Rumours are they have just got a new marketing Man for BOH, but it's about 2 years to late, he's got no chance for summer 2011, unless he has a big bag of cash to give away.
is that all of them or have I missed someone out !
On a positive note HAPPY CHRISTMAS
They should have been planning for 2011 before they started construction, not relying on Ryanair !
Rumours are they have just got a new marketing Man for BOH, but it's about 2 years to late, he's got no chance for summer 2011, unless he has a big bag of cash to give away.
is that all of them or have I missed someone out !On a positive note HAPPY CHRISTMAS
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Marketing Manager
If you had read previous posts you will have noticed that it has already been mentioned a few weeks ago about a new Marketing guy being sent down from Manchester!
But to be honest he has his work cut out for him!!
But to be honest he has his work cut out for him!!
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Apologies Canberra97 I only ever read the last page of posts displayed, rather than re read the whole thread ( maybe your being a little tetchy )
We do agree He has a mountain to climb.
Anyone know how many Ryanair 738's are based at BOH this year and are they pulling out again next winter ??
We do agree He has a mountain to climb.
Anyone know how many Ryanair 738's are based at BOH this year and are they pulling out again next winter ??
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DILLTHEDOG,
As far as im aware, Ryanair are planning on basing 1 aircraft to BOH to begin with, with the option of bringing another one in later in the summer. (As per last year) The other option for ryanair is to use BOH as an outbound leg from one of their other europeon bases. Which personally I think will be the better option for Bournemouth. Possibly being the catalyst to allow another airline to base at Bournemouth.
Yes, The marketing manager is facing a up hill battle, burt having personally met the man, there could not be a better candidate to turn Bournemouth's fortunes around. BUT its not an over night fix. It will take time.
Untill then if everyone at BOH stays positive, works together and works hard, I have no doubt in my mind that BOH will become a super successful regional airport. We should stop all this SOUTHAMPTON vs BOURNEMOUTH Malarchy. Each to their own niche.
Hope all had a good christmas, All the best for 2011.
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As far as im aware, Ryanair are planning on basing 1 aircraft to BOH to begin with, with the option of bringing another one in later in the summer. (As per last year) The other option for ryanair is to use BOH as an outbound leg from one of their other europeon bases. Which personally I think will be the better option for Bournemouth. Possibly being the catalyst to allow another airline to base at Bournemouth.
Yes, The marketing manager is facing a up hill battle, burt having personally met the man, there could not be a better candidate to turn Bournemouth's fortunes around. BUT its not an over night fix. It will take time.
Untill then if everyone at BOH stays positive, works together and works hard, I have no doubt in my mind that BOH will become a super successful regional airport. We should stop all this SOUTHAMPTON vs BOURNEMOUTH Malarchy. Each to their own niche.
Hope all had a good christmas, All the best for 2011.
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Palmair MD bows out and confirmation that No plans for a summer 2011 programme
"Never say never" - Palmair MD David Skillicorn bows out (From Bournemouth Echo)
"Never say never" - Palmair MD David Skillicorn bows out (From Bournemouth Echo)
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No surprise really. But i think 'being proud' of running the business into the ground is not something i would agree with, or can easily stomach.
Palmair had numerous opportunities to change & adapt to the sometimes OBVIOUS signs in front of them - but they didn't.
Rather, they close down altogether (but in a sensible and very co-ordinated fashion), after all, it's easier than accepting change and adapting to the market needs.
Very short-sighted vision. Didn't listen to the market. Kept satisfying a handful (and dwindling number) of very similar minded customers, no disrespect intended to those customers.
Palmair had numerous opportunities to change & adapt to the sometimes OBVIOUS signs in front of them - but they didn't.
Rather, they close down altogether (but in a sensible and very co-ordinated fashion), after all, it's easier than accepting change and adapting to the market needs.
Very short-sighted vision. Didn't listen to the market. Kept satisfying a handful (and dwindling number) of very similar minded customers, no disrespect intended to those customers.
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re Palmair
THE balloons fell from the roof and the champagne corks popped as the new arrival rolled in to the applause of 400 specially invited guests.
It was on May 12 2009 that tour operator Palmair unveiled its new jet, an Ł8m Boeing 737-500 named after Peter Bath, the company’s founder.
His son Stephen declared proudly: “This is the aircraft my father would have wanted.”
But even amid the celebrations in the hangar at Bournemouth Airport, some observers wondered whether it could last and whether such a major investment was justified during the worst downturn in the aviation industry for decades.
Indeed it did not last.
Buffeted by rising oil prices, the ash cloud, a recession and most of all the overwhelming power of the budget airlines, Palmair handed the aircraft back to its charter company in October, slashed its winter programme to just two routes and has made all but five of its 31 staff redundant, including all the cabin crew.
Though Palmair, as one of Bournemouth’s few truly iconic brands remains alive, no-one expects it to return to its former glory.
Others expect it to fade away quietly after more than 50 years of offering holidays from Bournemouth and becoming famous the world over as the only airline whose chairman saw off every flight personally.
The days of the family run, one plane airline offering “all the frills” as opposed to no frills, are well and truly over.
Times have changed and so has the travel market.
Though he would not use the term about himself, the highest ‘casualty’ in the restructuring of Palmair is the flamboyant managing director, David Skillicorn.
He leaves the company on Friday after 15 years.
“It’s a sad day,” he told the Echo.
“But I have had an immense amount of fun working for a great company and in a wonderful business.
“Our industry is littered with the corpses of firms which have collapsed, with people being let down, left stranded and sometimes out of pocket. I am very proud of the fact that we have decided to slow down and eventually stop in a very ordered way. That, in an industry like ours, is worth a lot and it’s worth a lot to me personally.”
He said Palmair was effectively “going into the deep freeze” until such time as market conditions could make it a viable proposition, if they do. There are no plans for a programme for Summer 2011.
So did Palmair become outdated in the world of Ryanair and easyJet?
It was always a genteel company in an increasingly brash marketplace.
“I think the problem is the industry polarising between no frills and the full service carriers. We got caught in the middle possibly. We were also snared in a global recession and faced a massive amount of competition.
“Something like Palmair does need the identity of its own plane and that brings with it a risk. You need to fly a certain number of hours a year and you just have to hope you find enough people prepared to pay the price you need to charge them to sit in all those seats you are offering. It became increasingly difficult. When you are in a recession, those people are harder to find.”
Mr Skillicorn, who joined Palmair from Phoenix Holidays in 1995 at the personal invitation of founder Peter Bath, said with hindsight the company might not have acquired its new aircraft last year.
“If we had known what was waiting round the corner, we probably wouldn’t have gone down that path. At the time it appeared the only way forward.”
And he said the company might have put more into trying to replicate the Palmair operation at other, small regional airports.
“We had various half hearted attempts which were successful, so maybe more of that would have helped.”
He added: “It was a whole succession of factors, which any one in isolation could have been dealt with. But when they all conspire together, you have to think long and hard about how long it’s sustainable for.”
The soon to be ex- MD will take a few weeks off , do some decorating “and think about what I want to do.”
So Palmair could be revived, with its reputation intact at home and abroad. After all, if a week is a long time in politics, it is a long time in the travel industry too.
As David Skillicorn said: "You never say never."
It was on May 12 2009 that tour operator Palmair unveiled its new jet, an Ł8m Boeing 737-500 named after Peter Bath, the company’s founder.
His son Stephen declared proudly: “This is the aircraft my father would have wanted.”
But even amid the celebrations in the hangar at Bournemouth Airport, some observers wondered whether it could last and whether such a major investment was justified during the worst downturn in the aviation industry for decades.
Indeed it did not last.
Buffeted by rising oil prices, the ash cloud, a recession and most of all the overwhelming power of the budget airlines, Palmair handed the aircraft back to its charter company in October, slashed its winter programme to just two routes and has made all but five of its 31 staff redundant, including all the cabin crew.
Though Palmair, as one of Bournemouth’s few truly iconic brands remains alive, no-one expects it to return to its former glory.
Others expect it to fade away quietly after more than 50 years of offering holidays from Bournemouth and becoming famous the world over as the only airline whose chairman saw off every flight personally.
The days of the family run, one plane airline offering “all the frills” as opposed to no frills, are well and truly over.
Times have changed and so has the travel market.
Though he would not use the term about himself, the highest ‘casualty’ in the restructuring of Palmair is the flamboyant managing director, David Skillicorn.
He leaves the company on Friday after 15 years.
“It’s a sad day,” he told the Echo.
“But I have had an immense amount of fun working for a great company and in a wonderful business.
“Our industry is littered with the corpses of firms which have collapsed, with people being let down, left stranded and sometimes out of pocket. I am very proud of the fact that we have decided to slow down and eventually stop in a very ordered way. That, in an industry like ours, is worth a lot and it’s worth a lot to me personally.”
He said Palmair was effectively “going into the deep freeze” until such time as market conditions could make it a viable proposition, if they do. There are no plans for a programme for Summer 2011.
So did Palmair become outdated in the world of Ryanair and easyJet?
It was always a genteel company in an increasingly brash marketplace.
“I think the problem is the industry polarising between no frills and the full service carriers. We got caught in the middle possibly. We were also snared in a global recession and faced a massive amount of competition.
“Something like Palmair does need the identity of its own plane and that brings with it a risk. You need to fly a certain number of hours a year and you just have to hope you find enough people prepared to pay the price you need to charge them to sit in all those seats you are offering. It became increasingly difficult. When you are in a recession, those people are harder to find.”
Mr Skillicorn, who joined Palmair from Phoenix Holidays in 1995 at the personal invitation of founder Peter Bath, said with hindsight the company might not have acquired its new aircraft last year.
“If we had known what was waiting round the corner, we probably wouldn’t have gone down that path. At the time it appeared the only way forward.”
And he said the company might have put more into trying to replicate the Palmair operation at other, small regional airports.
“We had various half hearted attempts which were successful, so maybe more of that would have helped.”
He added: “It was a whole succession of factors, which any one in isolation could have been dealt with. But when they all conspire together, you have to think long and hard about how long it’s sustainable for.”
The soon to be ex- MD will take a few weeks off , do some decorating “and think about what I want to do.”
So Palmair could be revived, with its reputation intact at home and abroad. After all, if a week is a long time in politics, it is a long time in the travel industry too.
As David Skillicorn said: "You never say never."
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Very sad news about Palmair and Bournemouth airport , a long history and for many years they kept the airport alive even with there 2 or 3 flights a week using many varied and interesting aircraft and routes before they bought there own into use 17 years ago
Its going to leave a big whole at the airport to fill , they had about 22 ,000 capacity each summer to various destinations none of which can be filled now as really to late probably to put anything in place . Was really thinking they might have put in place a small operation to Palma , Mahon , Faro and Tenerife using overseas airlines but not to be
Looks like Thomson are staying with there programme for the summer with no IT flights now to Heraklion , Larnaca , Faro , Mahon , Funchal , Brescia , Arrecife and also no Las Palmas flights for next winter 2012 its a big worry
Already Thomson have up graded there Southampton Palma service from FlyBe to Spanair and Thomas Cook holidays to Mahon added
Not looking a promising summer
Its going to leave a big whole at the airport to fill , they had about 22 ,000 capacity each summer to various destinations none of which can be filled now as really to late probably to put anything in place . Was really thinking they might have put in place a small operation to Palma , Mahon , Faro and Tenerife using overseas airlines but not to be
Looks like Thomson are staying with there programme for the summer with no IT flights now to Heraklion , Larnaca , Faro , Mahon , Funchal , Brescia , Arrecife and also no Las Palmas flights for next winter 2012 its a big worry
Already Thomson have up graded there Southampton Palma service from FlyBe to Spanair and Thomas Cook holidays to Mahon added
Not looking a promising summer
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Does anyone think Thomson might consider a second based aircraft for 2012? Cannot believe Thomas Cook have not moved in, sharing some seats with Palmair. An A319 would be ideal size. Mahon, Palma, Alicante, Malaga,Tenerife, Faro,Heraklion,Bodrum,Antalya,Corfu,Ibiza and Larnaca. There, worked out a seven day rotation for them with Palma and Malaga being twice weekly 
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A319 is not right for those routes
The costs of operating an A319 on longer sectors and on some sunshine routes would be so much higher than the ERJ-190 at Southampton.
Bournemouth will only work with bigger aircraft and lower costs/therefore fares.
A321, B757, A320, B738 would be good as it would allow for lower fares to better compete with Flybe and other Full service operators at the London airports.
Bournemouth has a niche market that fits well with Southampton: mid to longer range routes with larger capacity aircraft and lower fares. It remains yet to be fully exploited, and the economy is still sensitive. I believe BOH will rebound in 2012/13.
Bournemouth will only work with bigger aircraft and lower costs/therefore fares.
A321, B757, A320, B738 would be good as it would allow for lower fares to better compete with Flybe and other Full service operators at the London airports.
Bournemouth has a niche market that fits well with Southampton: mid to longer range routes with larger capacity aircraft and lower fares. It remains yet to be fully exploited, and the economy is still sensitive. I believe BOH will rebound in 2012/13.
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2 Aer Arann D-328
Why are there two 'Aer Arann' Dornier 328 turboprops parked at Bournemouth? I didn't know Aer Aann even used Donier 328's! Should we be excited? Or are they perhaps destined for Southend?
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Thomas Cook are using a Boeing 757 aircraft on a W pattern from LGW for there new summer services to Antalya and Dalaman this summer
This is the first time since Summer 1998 that Bournemouth will have seen a regular 757 service in the summer , the last time was ironically Britannia to Ibiza all those years ago with Thomson holidays !
Olympic holidays still have to make a decision on Larnaca and Heraklion this summer , the flights are still on hold as the original carrier was EuroCypria but the company are struggling to find another airline to operate these services now . The demand has always been high on these 2 routes but no airline this year has spare capacity to fit in !!
Exeter , Humberside and Norwich are all in a similar position with these routes with " Viking Hellas " a possible option but as each week goes by now it looks less and less . Very frustrating !!
This is the first time since Summer 1998 that Bournemouth will have seen a regular 757 service in the summer , the last time was ironically Britannia to Ibiza all those years ago with Thomson holidays !
Olympic holidays still have to make a decision on Larnaca and Heraklion this summer , the flights are still on hold as the original carrier was EuroCypria but the company are struggling to find another airline to operate these services now . The demand has always been high on these 2 routes but no airline this year has spare capacity to fit in !!
Exeter , Humberside and Norwich are all in a similar position with these routes with " Viking Hellas " a possible option but as each week goes by now it looks less and less . Very frustrating !!
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Frustration
The frustration is being felt across other regional airports too. I read on other posts that Cardiff is losing a lot of services and now bmibaby are down to just one aircraft. Look at Durham and Doncaster too. Pretty soul destroying for them.
So it's not just Bournemouth. We should get some comfort in that.
If the marketing guy is who i think it is (Tony Hallwood from Leeds Bradford and previously Bristol) then we may be safe. Otherwise i don't hold much hope. He has the contacts and the energy that is required to sell a regional airport like Bournemouth. As long as MAG allows him to offer good incentives.
But i really doubt Bournemouth will see any benefits until summer 2012 at the earliest. And even then, if the recovery is satisfactory airlines will be wanting to cement their market share in the big markets.
So it's not just Bournemouth. We should get some comfort in that.
If the marketing guy is who i think it is (Tony Hallwood from Leeds Bradford and previously Bristol) then we may be safe. Otherwise i don't hold much hope. He has the contacts and the energy that is required to sell a regional airport like Bournemouth. As long as MAG allows him to offer good incentives.
But i really doubt Bournemouth will see any benefits until summer 2012 at the earliest. And even then, if the recovery is satisfactory airlines will be wanting to cement their market share in the big markets.
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Olympic holidays still have to make a decision on Larnaca and Heraklion this summer , the flights are still on hold as the original carrier was EuroCypria but the company are struggling to find another airline to operate these services now . The demand has always been high on these 2 routes but no airline this year has spare capacity to fit in !!
Exeter , Humberside and Norwich are all in a similar position with these routes with " Viking Hellas " a possible option but as each week goes by now it looks less and less . Very frustrating !!
Exeter , Humberside and Norwich are all in a similar position with these routes with " Viking Hellas " a possible option but as each week goes by now it looks less and less . Very frustrating !!
Though I totally understand the position BOH and Olympic are in. Thomas Cook ditched their HUY-LCA as soon as ECA stopping flying
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Dalaman has 3 flights per week in the summer. Sat & 2 on Thu. On Thursdays two flights depart in the same hour - Thomson 737-800 at 17:10 and Thomas Cook 757 at 17:45. Can this route really sustain over 400 departing passengers (or the equivalent of a fully laden 747) on the same day?