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4,914 seats per week to EDI
EDI tends to have stronger demand than GLA/PIK, and they are offering 5,292 seats per week to PIK from BOH.
EDI is the most highly demanded route from BOH and has been a massive hole in the network for so long. So good to have another choice on the SOU/BOH - EDI market.
I've no doubt it will be a success.
EDI tends to have stronger demand than GLA/PIK, and they are offering 5,292 seats per week to PIK from BOH.
EDI is the most highly demanded route from BOH and has been a massive hole in the network for so long. So good to have another choice on the SOU/BOH - EDI market.
I've no doubt it will be a success.
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Good to see the Edinburgh route back at Bournemouth been a few years since that was operated by Euroscott and Gill Air on the old BAC 111 and ATR s , good loads then so hopefully this will continue
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Credit to Ryanair finally sieze the initiative for EDI-BOH, this route must have been on the EZY radar. Pax figures flown on EDI elsewhere are very strong and generally significantly up on Glasgow.
Jan 2008 EDI pax figures:
LGW 51K
LHR 93K
LCY 29K
LTN 24K
STN 30K
BRS 17K
SOU 14K
BOH - benefitting from the Ryanair marketing reach, which is huge - should generate 15-17K pax per month once the route is properly established (Spring 2009) . This will probably be the airport's strongest route next year.
Will be interesting to see how Flybe react - I predict a heavy marketing campaign - but they are weak on fares, on time performance and flight cancellations, compared to FR.
Expect FR to start sniping on these aspects of Flybe.
All good stuff for the local punters and job prospects.
Also good to see more ways to avoid the trek up to LHR/LGW
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Jan 2008 EDI pax figures:
LGW 51K
LHR 93K
LCY 29K
LTN 24K
STN 30K
BRS 17K
SOU 14K
BOH - benefitting from the Ryanair marketing reach, which is huge - should generate 15-17K pax per month once the route is properly established (Spring 2009) . This will probably be the airport's strongest route next year.
Will be interesting to see how Flybe react - I predict a heavy marketing campaign - but they are weak on fares, on time performance and flight cancellations, compared to FR.
Expect FR to start sniping on these aspects of Flybe.
All good stuff for the local punters and job prospects.
Also good to see more ways to avoid the trek up to LHR/LGW
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Just as a conversation starter, if the FR route to EDI is the first step in a RyanAir FlyBe battle for South Coast passengers, what do people think about the potential of these as destinations from BOH to the existing FR network that are currently served as FlyBe Southampton destinations?
Belfast
Manchester
Brussels
Paris
Dusseldorf
Newquay
Bergerac
Belfast
Manchester
Brussels
Paris
Dusseldorf
Newquay
Bergerac
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Arrive 0810 Dept 0835
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Overall this is very good news for me and my family. We normally use SOU or BOH-PIK.
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excellent review flitefone
BOU-PAX, I think your list is pretty smart; I would have thought those in Ryanair would look at Bergerac as a no-brainer (especially since Flybe have just announced increased frequency on their route) along with Belfast City and possibly Paris Beauvais. I also think Venice and Rome should be on Ryanair's radar.
I think routes like Manchester might not be so sensible but could work for a different type of carrier, possibly Air Southwest. Newcastle could also be good for Air Southwest.
Brussels and Dusseldorf (in my opinion) will never work from Bouornemouth. It's market is inherently leisure based and far more difficult to achieve desired yeilds from BOH on more business traffic services. Look how BRU has suffered from SOU, only now just picking up. DUS at SOU doesn't seem to be working either with a massiv fall in pax in Jan 08 compared to Jan 07.
BOU-PAX, I think your list is pretty smart; I would have thought those in Ryanair would look at Bergerac as a no-brainer (especially since Flybe have just announced increased frequency on their route) along with Belfast City and possibly Paris Beauvais. I also think Venice and Rome should be on Ryanair's radar.
I think routes like Manchester might not be so sensible but could work for a different type of carrier, possibly Air Southwest. Newcastle could also be good for Air Southwest.
Brussels and Dusseldorf (in my opinion) will never work from Bouornemouth. It's market is inherently leisure based and far more difficult to achieve desired yeilds from BOH on more business traffic services. Look how BRU has suffered from SOU, only now just picking up. DUS at SOU doesn't seem to be working either with a massiv fall in pax in Jan 08 compared to Jan 07.
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Route potential from BOH
A safe way to measure pax potential is to take a look at pax numbers elsewhere. BRU is always a graveyard from regions, too many Euro workers commuting from GB on sunday night or monday and back home on Thursday night or friday. I know a few guys like that. Not to mention Eurostar..
MAN too close for a 737 and very difficult to compete with Flybe frequency up to 7/day I believe. Would probably sustain a twice daily Dash 8, but not more... Eastern maybe with a Saab...
The no brainer for BOH is Germany, almost doesnt matter where.
The other solid routes from BOH have to be Venice, Rome, Nice, Marakech and probably Stockholm, which between should be able to keep oine or two aircraft profitably deployed at a BOH base.
Remeber the BOH catchment is generally rich and leisure based with some busines travel, so routes have to reflect that. Think decent city breaks.
AMS needs to come back, clearly demand there, could see Ezy on that.
Finally NYC and DXB - both for onward connections and local traffic - will eventually find their way onto the BOH departure board in a year or three..
Flitefone
MAN too close for a 737 and very difficult to compete with Flybe frequency up to 7/day I believe. Would probably sustain a twice daily Dash 8, but not more... Eastern maybe with a Saab...
The no brainer for BOH is Germany, almost doesnt matter where.
The other solid routes from BOH have to be Venice, Rome, Nice, Marakech and probably Stockholm, which between should be able to keep oine or two aircraft profitably deployed at a BOH base.
Remeber the BOH catchment is generally rich and leisure based with some busines travel, so routes have to reflect that. Think decent city breaks.
AMS needs to come back, clearly demand there, could see Ezy on that.
Finally NYC and DXB - both for onward connections and local traffic - will eventually find their way onto the BOH departure board in a year or three..
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CIA
BOH-CIA from Ryanair, are you joking, at a time when we are in the courts about being forced to cut back on flights into CIA 
When a 2nd a/c is added you are more likely to get another Polish route like POZ, BGY, AHO and CCF, but not CIA, which is a shame, the on board sale are great on a UK-CIA flight.
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When a 2nd a/c is added you are more likely to get another Polish route like POZ, BGY, AHO and CCF, but not CIA, which is a shame, the on board sale are great on a UK-CIA flight.
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I really don't think we will see anything like NYC or DXB from Bournemouth within ten years. There are so many other regional airports ahead of Bournemouth on the priority list. For either NYC or DXB or both ;
Aberdeen, Belfast Int'l, Bristol, Cardiff, Cork, Doncaster Sheffield, East Midlands, Edinburgh, Leeds Bradford, Liverpool, Newcastle, Stansted to name a few.
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Aberdeen, Belfast Int'l, Bristol, Cardiff, Cork, Doncaster Sheffield, East Midlands, Edinburgh, Leeds Bradford, Liverpool, Newcastle, Stansted to name a few.
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What I have found most is that many people are complaining about the flights that Thomson are pulling out. Many people I know have brought hoiliday homes in these destinations and now have to travel to london.
Ryanair need to be filling those gaps im sure.
Ryanair need to be filling those gaps im sure.
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YYZ?
I was always under the impression that there were some reasonable 'historic' family connections between a fair number of people living in the catchment area of Bournemouth and Canada...something on similar lines to EXT?
Anyone from the area know if this is correct, or just complete rubbish?! Also, does anyone know of anyone ever operating (charters, I guess) BOH-YYZ (or anywhere else in Canada?). As these kinds of flights have bee supported by a number of UK regional airports for a number of years...might a once a week charter be doable ex-BOH as a first regular long-haul route...and something more achieveable than NYC or DXB?!
I was always under the impression that there were some reasonable 'historic' family connections between a fair number of people living in the catchment area of Bournemouth and Canada...something on similar lines to EXT?
Anyone from the area know if this is correct, or just complete rubbish?! Also, does anyone know of anyone ever operating (charters, I guess) BOH-YYZ (or anywhere else in Canada?). As these kinds of flights have bee supported by a number of UK regional airports for a number of years...might a once a week charter be doable ex-BOH as a first regular long-haul route...and something more achieveable than NYC or DXB?!
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If the Italian authorities resolve the issue of CIA then I believe this along with a daily BGY service could work extremely well fom BOH with it's leisure orientated pax. Look what happened when the Italian Gvt tried to push operators out of LIN to MXP. They revolted and all still operate from LIN.
I would have thought Italian destinations would be way ahead of any German service in the likelyhood stakes, though I would like to see a German destination back. If not Hahn, then somewhere like Baden Baden which gives easy access to southern Germany.
YYZ or any other canadian city have never been operated to from BOH. There was talk of a Canada (joint) service (with BFS ?) a couple of years back, but it never materialised.
I would have thought Italian destinations would be way ahead of any German service in the likelyhood stakes, though I would like to see a German destination back. If not Hahn, then somewhere like Baden Baden which gives easy access to southern Germany.
YYZ or any other canadian city have never been operated to from BOH. There was talk of a Canada (joint) service (with BFS ?) a couple of years back, but it never materialised.
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Interesting debate.
I'm familiar with the CIA issues and working with the business side of Italian airport companies in general (a nightmare in my experience) but the route has merits. Another 12 months and they will have sorted something out!
Currently some pax are taking the Pisa flight and then train to Rome. It's a decent trip down the coast.
Time will tell for Rome direct..
Either way, I am confident of double digit pax growth at BOH for several years yet.
As for other destinations, long or short haul, what BOH has is a reasonable runway, in a wealthy catchment and not too far from London. The lack of availability of peak time runway slots elsewhere will drive growth.
Logic says grow longer routes where competition from SOU cannot be there..
I know COA have looked at BOH-EWR in the past and Zoom too I believe.
As for DXB or more specifically the Gulf, I firmly believe that we will see the top 10 UK regionals with DXB/Gulf services at some stage... BRS for sure, EDI, ABZ once the runway extension is done and probably LBA, BOH and EMA in the fullness of time. Would'nt be surprised to see Jet 2 make a move on the DXB and NYC routes from Leeds.
Both Etihad and Qatar want more of the UK - Gulf market too.
We already have LHR, LGW, LTN, STN , BHX, MAN, GLA & NCL to DXB... where next I wonder?
OK I'm rambling...! Thats enough for now!
Flitefone
I'm familiar with the CIA issues and working with the business side of Italian airport companies in general (a nightmare in my experience) but the route has merits. Another 12 months and they will have sorted something out!
Currently some pax are taking the Pisa flight and then train to Rome. It's a decent trip down the coast.
Time will tell for Rome direct..
Either way, I am confident of double digit pax growth at BOH for several years yet.
As for other destinations, long or short haul, what BOH has is a reasonable runway, in a wealthy catchment and not too far from London. The lack of availability of peak time runway slots elsewhere will drive growth.
Logic says grow longer routes where competition from SOU cannot be there..
I know COA have looked at BOH-EWR in the past and Zoom too I believe.
As for DXB or more specifically the Gulf, I firmly believe that we will see the top 10 UK regionals with DXB/Gulf services at some stage... BRS for sure, EDI, ABZ once the runway extension is done and probably LBA, BOH and EMA in the fullness of time. Would'nt be surprised to see Jet 2 make a move on the DXB and NYC routes from Leeds.
Both Etihad and Qatar want more of the UK - Gulf market too.
We already have LHR, LGW, LTN, STN , BHX, MAN, GLA & NCL to DXB... where next I wonder?
OK I'm rambling...! Thats enough for now!
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route development
I see the following route development as possible in the near-term:
Ryanair - Salzburg, Prague, Belfast, Bergerac, Venice, Tenerife and Stockholm
Wizzair - Warsaw
Air Southwest - Newcastle, Manchester
Blue Islands D328 - Jersey and Guernsey
easyJet - Amsterdam, Paris CDG, Nice, Berlin
Emirates - 3 weekly to Dubai (and on to Oz/South East Asia)
Continental - 4 weekly to New York (and on to Florida/Canada etc)
Ryanair - Salzburg, Prague, Belfast, Bergerac, Venice, Tenerife and Stockholm
Wizzair - Warsaw
Air Southwest - Newcastle, Manchester
Blue Islands D328 - Jersey and Guernsey
easyJet - Amsterdam, Paris CDG, Nice, Berlin
Emirates - 3 weekly to Dubai (and on to Oz/South East Asia)
Continental - 4 weekly to New York (and on to Florida/Canada etc)
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Emirates - 3 weekly to Dubai (and on to Oz/South East Asia)
Continental - 4 weekly to New York (and on to Florida/Canada etc)
Continental - 4 weekly to New York (and on to Florida/Canada etc)
Aberdeen, Belfast Int'l, Bristol, Cardiff, Cork, Doncaster Sheffield, East Midlands, Edinburgh, Leeds Bradford, Liverpool, Newcastle, Stansted to name a few.
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does anyone really believe that an airport that doesn't even have flights to ANY of the European hubs (Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt etc.)is going to get scheduled flights to New York and Dubai when airports far bigger would give their right tooth to get them!
So consider the combined SOU and BOH catchment areas, destinations and PAX numbers and perhaps it's not such a wild proposition after all - especially if you want to avoid LHR!
That said scheduled longhaul has to be a non starter until the new terminal is completed.... otherwise the yanks and arabs will think they have landed in a 3rd world country by mistake
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It's not just the Arabs or Yanks that'll think it. Most people already do, even the Poles (Lithuanianians, Ukrainians) who pass through the airport on a daily basis think it !!
One day perhaps BOH will have a real-terminal (well nearly) if building work ever gets going !
As for NYC/DXB !! Somebodies been having too much Guinness !!
One day perhaps BOH will have a real-terminal (well nearly) if building work ever gets going !
As for NYC/DXB !! Somebodies been having too much Guinness !!