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You are contradicting yourself
In one sentence you are saying it is largley well off leisurely orientated town, and next you are saying lets go to Frankfurt and Munich.
I do not recommend the beaches in Munich or Frankfurt and I do not see it much in leisure break brochures very often either.
You are contradicting yourself
In one sentence you are saying it is largley well off leisurely orientated town, and next you are saying lets go to Frankfurt and Munich.
I do not recommend the beaches in Munich or Frankfurt and I do not see it much in leisure break brochures very often either.
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Ryanair carried 95% leisure passengers to Frankfurt when they operated the service. (Probably so high because it was Hahn and not Main) Frankfurt has great connections to the region around it. Same for Munich - with LCC's it's not so much the city that matters but VFRs, and regional pull.
City's I do not suggest from BOH: Brussels, Luxemburg, Rotterdam, Antwerp, Dresden, Bremen, Aberdeen, Copehagen, Lyon, Dusseldorf, Hanover etc.
City's I do not suggest from BOH: Brussels, Luxemburg, Rotterdam, Antwerp, Dresden, Bremen, Aberdeen, Copehagen, Lyon, Dusseldorf, Hanover etc.
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Most of the logical additions for Ryanair from BOH (Tenerife, Malaga, Palma, Faro, Prague, Poland and ski destinations) aren't bases themselves. Unless they plan to fly W pattern (not typical for the longer sectors?) then scope for further route expansion without BOH becoming a base appears to be limited. Could summer '08 be the year?
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It's been reported in the Air Berlin thread here that the Paderborn route is also axed. If correct this would be the seventh route cancelled in the last few weeks. 
Shannon, Madrid, Marseille, Nantes, Pisa, Paderborn and Amsterdam.
Shannon, Madrid, Marseille, Nantes, Pisa, Paderborn and Amsterdam.
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Yes its a bit of a shame how all these things tend happen at once at the end of a season . Big fan fare about starting up such routes only to give them little time to succeed . surprised about the Air Berlin route as that looked like a good earner with reasonable loads even in winter even Amsterdam is a surprise
We need Scot air to look the Amsterdam route and prehaps EasyJet to look at Paris and Amsterdam as well !
Hopefully once the terminal starts to take shape and things will improve with the management really pushing this airport . Dropped off the other day and was really horrified at the state of the terminal itself even checkin hall looks really tired , dark , posters everywhere , shops close and boarded up , desks unmanned and long lines to check in on 3 desks open out of 14 !!
We need Scot air to look the Amsterdam route and prehaps EasyJet to look at Paris and Amsterdam as well !
Hopefully once the terminal starts to take shape and things will improve with the management really pushing this airport . Dropped off the other day and was really horrified at the state of the terminal itself even checkin hall looks really tired , dark , posters everywhere , shops close and boarded up , desks unmanned and long lines to check in on 3 desks open out of 14 !!
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airport marketing (or lack of it) to blame
no timetables available in the terminal - marketing is non-existant at Bournemouth - now beginning to show by the withdrawal of routes!! How can people be expected to fly BOH to all these places if their own marketing department doesnt even promote the services. As a consumer, I can't even find out when and where Bournemouth fly to - unless I have the internet and PURPOSELY try to find out - which is hardly what your average Joe Bloggs is gonna do...
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Amsterdam on-sale winter 07/08
Thomsonfly flights to Amsterdam now on sale for the winter period.
Ibiza will increase from one to two flights per week for Summer 2008, along with new routes to Naples and Heraklion - both one weekly flight.
Ibiza will increase from one to two flights per week for Summer 2008, along with new routes to Naples and Heraklion - both one weekly flight.
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Hi
I have nothing to do with Bournemouth but I just find it interesting these talks on here.
The management are not pushing the airport, marketing is non-existent, maybe easyJet should do Paris because ....What a load of bullsteeth.
The fact of the matter is, this year has been an incredibly tough one for all airlines and airports, even the mighty Ryanair. Interest rates going up, environmental fears, constant terrorist threats, government APD tax etc etc have all lead to low levels of demand at a time when there is over capacity in the market place. Result, routes can cancelled. Yes the loads may be good, but if you are selling the seats at £9.99 then of course you will fill the plane.
It is nothing to do with the airport or the marketing - Blackpool for example spent a huge amount of money on TV and radio campaigns and still had 3 routes dropped - it's just a product of the state of the economy at the moment. it's a cyclical thing, and there will be more bad press to come - not withstanding this bad news, if you look at the likes of BOH, or BLK for that matter and consider where they have come, then it is good, but I do think it grossly unfair to blame the management when I would guess most people have no idea what they have done, are doing and how hard they work behind the scenes to get the job done.
I have nothing to do with Bournemouth but I just find it interesting these talks on here.
The management are not pushing the airport, marketing is non-existent, maybe easyJet should do Paris because ....What a load of bullsteeth.
The fact of the matter is, this year has been an incredibly tough one for all airlines and airports, even the mighty Ryanair. Interest rates going up, environmental fears, constant terrorist threats, government APD tax etc etc have all lead to low levels of demand at a time when there is over capacity in the market place. Result, routes can cancelled. Yes the loads may be good, but if you are selling the seats at £9.99 then of course you will fill the plane.
It is nothing to do with the airport or the marketing - Blackpool for example spent a huge amount of money on TV and radio campaigns and still had 3 routes dropped - it's just a product of the state of the economy at the moment. it's a cyclical thing, and there will be more bad press to come - not withstanding this bad news, if you look at the likes of BOH, or BLK for that matter and consider where they have come, then it is good, but I do think it grossly unfair to blame the management when I would guess most people have no idea what they have done, are doing and how hard they work behind the scenes to get the job done.
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Gareth - I agree in part with what you said, but airports are very good at shifting the blame. The fact is that airlines find it increasingly hard to make a profit when airports insist on increasing airport charges. When in actual fact airport charges should be coming down as airport pax numbers go up (in terms of low cost) - this is because airlines like Ryanair must be in a position to offer lower and lower fares - rather than manipulating yield upwards. This will keep routes well stimulated and thus sustainable. Airports are often the authors of their own demise without realising it! Look at STN! It has lost 7 aircraft from Ryanair as a result. Hopfully some of those aircraft will head to regional airports like Bournemouth, who understand fully the low cost concept
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lovejet ... I think you will find that the argument is flawed!
Airlines want to maximise money, even the low fare ones - that's why they employ canny yield managers to maximise revenue - if they were so insistent on offering the lowest fares - they would offer the £0.99 fares during the biggest football matches to make it cheap for those fans to get there.
The fact is, airports do not shift the blame, they are the poor relation. Airports have massive fixed costs, as I am sure you are more than well aware, yet have very limited means of recovering that cost. The argument that the airport can get all its revenue from the passenger is just pants. To cover the costs of running the airport, EVERY SINGLE passenger who walks through the door would need to be spending between £40 and £60 in the terminal - why? Because the airport only gets a concession fee (a percentage of what the pax spends) and the concessionaire has to cover their own costs, make a return and then pay the airport - can you say hand on heart you spend £40 in the airport EVERY SINGLE TIME to make a trip? - Even those bsuiness passengers who the airlines love but turn up with 30 mins to spare, check in buy a paper and jump on the plane?
The reality is, airlines continually report record profits growing year on year, and the airports from which they fly report heavier and heavier losses - government imposes stricter security regimes the airlines wont pay as you have said yourself - they wont absorb the cost - who pays? The airport. There is in my view, an inbalance between the airport and airline relationship in some cases.
Airlines want to maximise money, even the low fare ones - that's why they employ canny yield managers to maximise revenue - if they were so insistent on offering the lowest fares - they would offer the £0.99 fares during the biggest football matches to make it cheap for those fans to get there.
The fact is, airports do not shift the blame, they are the poor relation. Airports have massive fixed costs, as I am sure you are more than well aware, yet have very limited means of recovering that cost. The argument that the airport can get all its revenue from the passenger is just pants. To cover the costs of running the airport, EVERY SINGLE passenger who walks through the door would need to be spending between £40 and £60 in the terminal - why? Because the airport only gets a concession fee (a percentage of what the pax spends) and the concessionaire has to cover their own costs, make a return and then pay the airport - can you say hand on heart you spend £40 in the airport EVERY SINGLE TIME to make a trip? - Even those bsuiness passengers who the airlines love but turn up with 30 mins to spare, check in buy a paper and jump on the plane?
The reality is, airlines continually report record profits growing year on year, and the airports from which they fly report heavier and heavier losses - government imposes stricter security regimes the airlines wont pay as you have said yourself - they wont absorb the cost - who pays? The airport. There is in my view, an inbalance between the airport and airline relationship in some cases.
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Ryanair have announced a new route from Bournemouth to Milan Bergamo for the winter ski season . Flights will operate on a Saturday 1720 1745 . Lets hope this route is a success and will continue into the sumer season , been a bit strange recently with all the fanfare of new routes by Ryanair from Bournemouth only to axe them after a short period giving them no chance to grow . Particularly Madrid and Pisa seemed to have very good load factors and even Shannon was picking up this summer .
Disappointing as well to see Air Berlin stopping flights this winter not really sure as to the reason to that one if anyone knows would be interesting to hear as again loads were on the increase and the demand especially from the military side was good i thought . Still its a tough time at the moment for low cost carriers and Bournemouth has come a long way in the last few years to reach the 1 million passenger mark .
Least it will be a bit quieter this winter to allow for building work for the new terminal
Disappointing as well to see Air Berlin stopping flights this winter not really sure as to the reason to that one if anyone knows would be interesting to hear as again loads were on the increase and the demand especially from the military side was good i thought . Still its a tough time at the moment for low cost carriers and Bournemouth has come a long way in the last few years to reach the 1 million passenger mark .
Least it will be a bit quieter this winter to allow for building work for the new terminal
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I've never understood why the Bergamo route along with Rome haven't been introduced sooner over the likes of Nantes/Shannon etc. Mind you it could be too late for Rome now if Ryanair decide to pull out of there altogether.
BOH has been crying out for an Italian destination so I hope and am sure it will be successful, but one flight per week isn't giving it much of a chance to thrive. At least the timings are not too bad, unlike Madrid.
BOH has been crying out for an Italian destination so I hope and am sure it will be successful, but one flight per week isn't giving it much of a chance to thrive. At least the timings are not too bad, unlike Madrid.
but one flight per week isn't giving it much of a chance to thrive.
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Groundloop,
Easyjet launched the Geneva service as a daily schedule, now up to 9 flights per week. Ryanair are only doing one flight per week. I think this is what qwerty9 is talking about. But at least it's a toe in the water.
Easyjet launched the Geneva service as a daily schedule, now up to 9 flights per week. Ryanair are only doing one flight per week. I think this is what qwerty9 is talking about. But at least it's a toe in the water.
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garethjk22 comments
I agree that airport managers must have a hard time planning, with the likes of MOL and the unpredictable route changes of RYR. But BOH currently really is shooting itself in both feet.
BOH was Rusticville serving Air Geriatrica
, with infrastructure predating my namesake, but a loyal customer base. It dragged itself towards the 21st century introducing LoCo’s but was too little to late upgrading facilities. They have a hotchpotch of a website, clearly failing to comprehend the demographics of the catchment area, which I live in.
And worst of all they now the most obnoxious pax security it has been my misfortune to encounter anywhere, repeat anywhere. (See http://www.airlinequality.com/Airports/Airport_forum/boh.htm - no entries are mine!) These guys really are frightening, I use the word advisedly, pax into the arms of SOU, BRS and others.
Maybe airports can’t advertise their way out a trouble, but they can sleepwalk into the graveyard.
BOH was Rusticville serving Air Geriatrica
, with infrastructure predating my namesake, but a loyal customer base. It dragged itself towards the 21st century introducing LoCo’s but was too little to late upgrading facilities. They have a hotchpotch of a website, clearly failing to comprehend the demographics of the catchment area, which I live in.And worst of all they now the most obnoxious pax security it has been my misfortune to encounter anywhere, repeat anywhere. (See http://www.airlinequality.com/Airports/Airport_forum/boh.htm - no entries are mine!) These guys really are frightening, I use the word advisedly, pax into the arms of SOU, BRS and others.
Maybe airports can’t advertise their way out a trouble, but they can sleepwalk into the graveyard.
I must be unlucky. Everytime I have used BOH I have arrived at the airport 15 minutes before check-in closes, no-one in the queue to check-in, no queue at security and on the aircraft within 40 minutes of arriving.
Brilliant!
Brilliant!
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120,985 passengers AUGUST 2007 (up 23.1%)
Selected Load Factors (AUGUST 2007):
Madrid 95.5% Ryanair
Marseille 89% Ryanair
Valencia 88.5% Thomsonfly
Shannon 87.5% Ryanair
Katowice 87.3% Wizzair
Prague 83.6% Thomsonfly
Nantes 82.2% Ryanair
Paderborn 77.2% Air Berlin
Rolling 12 month period - 1,057,636 up 12.4%
Madrid 95.5% Ryanair
Marseille 89% Ryanair
Valencia 88.5% Thomsonfly
Shannon 87.5% Ryanair
Katowice 87.3% Wizzair
Prague 83.6% Thomsonfly
Nantes 82.2% Ryanair
Paderborn 77.2% Air Berlin
Rolling 12 month period - 1,057,636 up 12.4%
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The success of these routes in August has surprised even us, but unfortunately the profiit for August will not cover the 6 months in the winter when they are likely to be in the red. These routes may be brought back for the summer months only once BOH becomes a base so don't lose heart people. There are still plenty of other routes out there that can be year-round from BOH, it's just about finding the right ones.