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MAN-BOH in the Thatcher years
Who remembers the Air Wight MAN-BOH service run twice-daily Mon-Fri in the mid-late 1980s? The service was effectively run on behalf of Barclays, who moved staff between the two centres, but I do believe it was bookable as a scheduled service. The type was a C421 Golden Eagle, I think.
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Another disaster or disappointment (however you wish to interpret it) was the demise of the fledgling BOH-CDG metro-liner III carrier (sorry can't think of its name) employing mini hostesses which was cute
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Enough with the History
Enough with the History already !
Is that what good old BOH has come too ! No Rumours, No New Routes, No New Airlines ?
Instead we are to be dragged back to the 80's ?
Can we get back to the current time, can anyone list what is going to be flying at BOH this summer ? ( assuming something is )
Is that what good old BOH has come too ! No Rumours, No New Routes, No New Airlines ?
Instead we are to be dragged back to the 80's ?
Can we get back to the current time, can anyone list what is going to be flying at BOH this summer ? ( assuming something is )
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Thanks Knife-Edge, grateful for the information, I obviously got my wires crossed, I was under the impression they actually did get airborne commercially, but I happily stand corrected - backers were from IOM and I knew one of them personally as I had worked with them in a former role. Brgds and Thanks.
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History and BOH
Thanks Aero-Mad I am of the same opinion, history is important and mistakes can be looked at, and work rounds or better management put in.
Unfortunately my opinion (whether right or wrong) is that BOH and the present structure seem to be working 12-18 months behind the improvements and investment in the airport - I believe a marketing team have since arrived in an attempt to attract more presence, more carriers and more interest, however this should have been started those 12-18 months ago, but this has been the fault with BOH for far too long - TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, and the trend continues.
There were rumours that Blue Islands returning (Jetstreams etc). If you recall they moved to SOU 18 months ago, anyone else noted this change.
Unfortunately my opinion (whether right or wrong) is that BOH and the present structure seem to be working 12-18 months behind the improvements and investment in the airport - I believe a marketing team have since arrived in an attempt to attract more presence, more carriers and more interest, however this should have been started those 12-18 months ago, but this has been the fault with BOH for far too long - TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, and the trend continues.
There were rumours that Blue Islands returning (Jetstreams etc). If you recall they moved to SOU 18 months ago, anyone else noted this change.
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lessons to be learned from history
Practically every single airline that has ever touched bournemouth, for whatever reason, has failed. no routes have really stuck at bournemouth except for spain and the canaries. This makes complete sense. If you look at the aging wealthy population of bournemouth in detail the traffic volumes exist but only for portugal, spain, canaries and balearics and only outbound. Plus some potential for development of the long-haul cruise market which currently is under developed at bournemouth. There are historical links, and ties with the spanish med. As soon as people accept this and stop farting about with trying domestics, amsterdam, paris and brussels - the better. As for predicted new routes, they should take history into account. I would consider the following realistic:
Monarch - malaga daily, Gibralter 2 weekly, Cancun 1 weekly
easyjet - funchal 2 or 3 weekly, lisbon 3 weekly
ryanair - seville 3 weekly, almeria 2 weekly summer only, Jerez 2 weekly
Thomas cook - barbados 1 weekly winter only, orlando 1 wkly summer only
Thomson - Bermuda 1 weekly, Bahamas 1 weekly, fort lauderdale 1 weekly
Monarch - malaga daily, Gibralter 2 weekly, Cancun 1 weekly
easyjet - funchal 2 or 3 weekly, lisbon 3 weekly
ryanair - seville 3 weekly, almeria 2 weekly summer only, Jerez 2 weekly
Thomas cook - barbados 1 weekly winter only, orlando 1 wkly summer only
Thomson - Bermuda 1 weekly, Bahamas 1 weekly, fort lauderdale 1 weekly
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Just some problems with routes:
Monarch- doonly seem to want to serve GIB from LTN/MAN. Took them years to get MAN back, and when they dont even serve BHX/LGW from GIB, BOH is a bit further down the list.
Also, Id be very very surprised if CUN made an appearance at BOH, but AGP is do-able
Easyjet-will not expand from the ski routes at BOH. Only MAN/LGW have been singled out for substantial growth in the UK.
Ryanair- the routes mentioned could happen. The only one on your list I see as being a 'realistic' option
Thomson- apart from cruise charters, will not operate LH at BOH. Also, they dont serve FLL from the mega bases of MAN/LGW, so why would you expect it from BOH? Have a look at their route structure, if it isnt served from either MAN or LGW, then it wont be served from anywhere else.
I can see some expansion of Euro routes from TOM, as they do seem to support the smaller airports (DSA/EXT and in the past, CVT), but like I say, apart from cruise traffic, Longhaul wont be a feature from them in the long term.
Thomas cook- are handing back some A330's, so that means long haul consolidation elsewhere. Really, the same applies here as Thomson. Thomas cook also have no long haul from BHX, which has a larger base and larger population, so again, you have to question why, if this is the case, BOH will be given LH routes.
Sorry if Ive been a little harsh, but no point getting hopes up for something that will not happen for a long long time, if ever.
Monarch- doonly seem to want to serve GIB from LTN/MAN. Took them years to get MAN back, and when they dont even serve BHX/LGW from GIB, BOH is a bit further down the list.
Also, Id be very very surprised if CUN made an appearance at BOH, but AGP is do-able
Easyjet-will not expand from the ski routes at BOH. Only MAN/LGW have been singled out for substantial growth in the UK.
Ryanair- the routes mentioned could happen. The only one on your list I see as being a 'realistic' option
Thomson- apart from cruise charters, will not operate LH at BOH. Also, they dont serve FLL from the mega bases of MAN/LGW, so why would you expect it from BOH? Have a look at their route structure, if it isnt served from either MAN or LGW, then it wont be served from anywhere else.
I can see some expansion of Euro routes from TOM, as they do seem to support the smaller airports (DSA/EXT and in the past, CVT), but like I say, apart from cruise traffic, Longhaul wont be a feature from them in the long term.
Thomas cook- are handing back some A330's, so that means long haul consolidation elsewhere. Really, the same applies here as Thomson. Thomas cook also have no long haul from BHX, which has a larger base and larger population, so again, you have to question why, if this is the case, BOH will be given LH routes.
Sorry if Ive been a little harsh, but no point getting hopes up for something that will not happen for a long long time, if ever.
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Thanks for putting it straight, i totally see your point on the route/airline mix.
Rather than predict what would happen, it was more me producing a 'fantasy schedule' if you will. Routes that could possibly work. Not necessarily whether those airlines would actually do it.
Given the injection of realism on the routes mentioned, there isn't really alot more bournemouth can hope for then?
Is it time a group of local business men got together to consider a start up?
Rather than predict what would happen, it was more me producing a 'fantasy schedule' if you will. Routes that could possibly work. Not necessarily whether those airlines would actually do it.
Given the injection of realism on the routes mentioned, there isn't really alot more bournemouth can hope for then?
Is it time a group of local business men got together to consider a start up?
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Anyway roll on Feb 2nd when Ryanair should be coming back (but for how long). The new arrivals terminal is looking sleek too, from what one can see, NOT before time.
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call to start up airline
If Thats True Boh Needs To Throw Ryanair Out Completely And Guarantee They Wont Come Back - Then Get Easyjet Or Some Start Up To Cover Much Needed Routes. Protect Them By Not Allowing Ryanair Back.
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Setting up an airline at Bournemouth would be near impossible for the following reasons:
1. The airport would need to offer all airlines a similar airport deal - so no protection from Ryanair or others.
2. It would be very difficult if not impossible to achieve the economies of scale you would need to make a new airline profitable. Profitability only comes with size, scale and growth - Bournemouth is limited and the UK is saturated.
3. You would need a large aircraft to get the cost per seat low enough to compete with Southampton. If not your demand pool will be tiny and therefore unviable. In my mind Embraer or C series or MRJ is the right aircraft but they are very expensive to lease/purchase
BOH's best bet is to attract easyJet or overflow flybe routes from SOU.
1. The airport would need to offer all airlines a similar airport deal - so no protection from Ryanair or others.
2. It would be very difficult if not impossible to achieve the economies of scale you would need to make a new airline profitable. Profitability only comes with size, scale and growth - Bournemouth is limited and the UK is saturated.
3. You would need a large aircraft to get the cost per seat low enough to compete with Southampton. If not your demand pool will be tiny and therefore unviable. In my mind Embraer or C series or MRJ is the right aircraft but they are very expensive to lease/purchase
BOH's best bet is to attract easyJet or overflow flybe routes from SOU.
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Some of the suggestions above have been absolute fantasy! Long haul routes from Bournemouth?!?! There isn't enough seats for this flight and another! Let alone the adequate gate! Could you imagine a full flight to Cancun boarding from Bournemouth!?
Ryanair will only do the popular sun routes, there is no market for Seville, Jerez etc. These are offered from Bristol, Stansted, Gatwick. No reason for a Bournemouth offering.
Easyjet probably will never come, I would of expected them to come with the new terminal but that didn't happen. They have a good offering from Gatwick and Bristol.
Monarch - very unlikely. Other than maybe a charter offering for the summer.
In my opinion, although this is very negative - try to keep Ryanair to do an all year round to the popular destinations service. But for this... I think for the winter they would need a smaller plane.
Ryanair will only do the popular sun routes, there is no market for Seville, Jerez etc. These are offered from Bristol, Stansted, Gatwick. No reason for a Bournemouth offering.
Easyjet probably will never come, I would of expected them to come with the new terminal but that didn't happen. They have a good offering from Gatwick and Bristol.
Monarch - very unlikely. Other than maybe a charter offering for the summer.
In my opinion, although this is very negative - try to keep Ryanair to do an all year round to the popular destinations service. But for this... I think for the winter they would need a smaller plane.
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Palmair rejects claim it owes £250,000 for aircraft
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It is quoted as saying Palmair were paying quarter of a million pounds per month for the 124 seat Boeing 737-500. If that is true, it's no wonder they went under! That is ridiculously expensive and is way abovE normal second hand 737-500 'going lease rates' of GBP100-125k per month. Even if you include wet lease expenses for the crew, maintenance and insurance it would not get to quarter of a million quid.
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Finally after 3 months Ryanair is back
The airport actually resembled an airport today again , with a mix of flights to Barbados ,Geneva , Tenerife and Alicante
Boeing 767 , 737 800 , and A319 all on ramp , this is how Bournemouth should be !
The airport actually resembled an airport today again , with a mix of flights to Barbados ,Geneva , Tenerife and Alicante
Boeing 767 , 737 800 , and A319 all on ramp , this is how Bournemouth should be !
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Arrivals
Good to see some recent pictures of the new arrivals hall, did not know it had gone up so quickly.
But I was under the impresion the new building would resemble the main terminal especially roof wise, anyway but still none the less glad to see it is finally nearing completion and should make the airport a rather better experience when arriving compared to the current facility which is a joke!
When is it due to open and will there be a covered walkway landside connecting it to the main departures building, also the covered walkway airside will this be extended to the arrivals building allowing arriving passengers to be undercover?
But I was under the impresion the new building would resemble the main terminal especially roof wise, anyway but still none the less glad to see it is finally nearing completion and should make the airport a rather better experience when arriving compared to the current facility which is a joke!
When is it due to open and will there be a covered walkway landside connecting it to the main departures building, also the covered walkway airside will this be extended to the arrivals building allowing arriving passengers to be undercover?