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I think what a lot of people don't realise is that travel agents are now using firms like Jet2 to "piggy back" for them in packages put together by the agency.
The truth is these can not only work out much cheaper than those offered by TUI but gives the pax chance to fly from his/her local airport.
TUI have done nothing but bully the charter market along with the pax and even the airport over the years. The chickens are now coming home to roost and its like music to my ears
The truth is these can not only work out much cheaper than those offered by TUI but gives the pax chance to fly from his/her local airport.
TUI have done nothing but bully the charter market along with the pax and even the airport over the years. The chickens are now coming home to roost and its like music to my ears
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It was not my intention to get into my city is bigger than your city again.
It was only to make the point about the sizeable Leeds and Bradford markets that have been abandoned.
The real problem is the fact that Thomson have protected the Manchester market far too long and now they have lost some business.
Yes, maybe they will attract some loyal diehards to DSA, but I think the market has changed faster than anyone imagined.
The flexibilty provided by Jet2 for example cannot matched.
There is no need to travel on the notorious change over days any longer.
You can travel any day and stay for any length of time.
As I have written before, for the resort hotels and apartment owners, this is surely better. They get paid probaby immediately instead of having to wait until the end of year, and get a higher price.
In the longer term, surely the story is over for the traditional package holiday.
Now if Jet2 provided flights for Thomson.............
It was only to make the point about the sizeable Leeds and Bradford markets that have been abandoned.
The real problem is the fact that Thomson have protected the Manchester market far too long and now they have lost some business.
Yes, maybe they will attract some loyal diehards to DSA, but I think the market has changed faster than anyone imagined.
The flexibilty provided by Jet2 for example cannot matched.
There is no need to travel on the notorious change over days any longer.
You can travel any day and stay for any length of time.
As I have written before, for the resort hotels and apartment owners, this is surely better. They get paid probaby immediately instead of having to wait until the end of year, and get a higher price.
In the longer term, surely the story is over for the traditional package holiday.
Now if Jet2 provided flights for Thomson.............
It would be naive of me to think that LBA's new owners would be the answer to all the problems the airport faces. There are however some major issues which urgently need to be tackled which will hopefully enable us to attract new and varied business whilst simultaneously sticking two fingers up at those airlines and tour ops who dare to bugger our customers about.
We need a brand new terminal building. One that is large, easily extendable, non-curved with easy access to aircraft parking stands and a significant retail section. It could be sited on either the existing long stay or short stay car park, with a new multi storey for short stay. The current terminal can then be pulled down and the area concreted over to provide more apron and taxiing space for our aircraft. At the same time we'd lose rent-a-tent baggage hall B and all the other silly prefab buildings that take up valuable apron space.
The runway needs to be longer, I don't think there's any doubting that one. A few more feet (well, several hundred actually), preferably at the southeast end could make so much difference. At the very least, the 32 threshold needs budging back a bit so it's on a flat section of runway, making CAT3B ops on 32 a more realistic possibility than it is at the moment. I am fairly certain the technology now exists for at least CAT2 on runway 14. I'd be happy to hear from any ILS experts out there who can add some definitive answers to the debate.
Road access ? Not too sure about this one. It would be pretty difficult to widen and/or reroute the A658 given that it cuts through several built-up areas. Perhaps some sort of spur of the Leeds outer ring road may be the answer. I have a serious lack of knowledge of urban road planning so any better informed contributions are welcome.
I hope the likes of Macquarrie, BAA, TBI etc. have deep pockets. They'll certainly need them. Let's see.
We need a brand new terminal building. One that is large, easily extendable, non-curved with easy access to aircraft parking stands and a significant retail section. It could be sited on either the existing long stay or short stay car park, with a new multi storey for short stay. The current terminal can then be pulled down and the area concreted over to provide more apron and taxiing space for our aircraft. At the same time we'd lose rent-a-tent baggage hall B and all the other silly prefab buildings that take up valuable apron space.
The runway needs to be longer, I don't think there's any doubting that one. A few more feet (well, several hundred actually), preferably at the southeast end could make so much difference. At the very least, the 32 threshold needs budging back a bit so it's on a flat section of runway, making CAT3B ops on 32 a more realistic possibility than it is at the moment. I am fairly certain the technology now exists for at least CAT2 on runway 14. I'd be happy to hear from any ILS experts out there who can add some definitive answers to the debate.
Road access ? Not too sure about this one. It would be pretty difficult to widen and/or reroute the A658 given that it cuts through several built-up areas. Perhaps some sort of spur of the Leeds outer ring road may be the answer. I have a serious lack of knowledge of urban road planning so any better informed contributions are welcome.
I hope the likes of Macquarrie, BAA, TBI etc. have deep pockets. They'll certainly need them. Let's see.
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Extract from the Telegraph
I'm not entirely sure I'm allowed to do this but this is in today's Telegraph (26/10/06).
"THE sale of Leeds Bradford International Airport is set to take off next month when its owners issue an information flyer seeking bids in excess of pounds 100m.
Leeds Bradford's five local authority owners have hired accountants Ernst & Young to handle the sale of the latest UK regional airport to be put on the block.
They hope to capitalise on the strong bidding interest in airport assets following the pounds 750m sale of London City Airport and the pounds 60m sale of Exeter, both of which fetched better-than-expected prices.
The fast-growing Leeds Bradford hit the headlines earlier this month when a Sun reporter claimed she had boarded a plane wearing a Muslim niqab veil without being asked to show her face for passport checks.
However, it is the forecasts for passenger traffic growth which will catch the attention of bidders. The flyer is expected to show that the single runway airport has seen a 183pc rise in passenger traffic over the past decade, up from 922,976 passengers in 1995 to 2.61m last year.
Total turnover is up from pounds 17.6m in the year to March 2002 to pounds 21.02m in the most recent financial year, when profits slipped from pounds 881,000 to pounds 788,000 pre-tax. Net assets increased from pounds 31.1m to pounds 34.2m last year. While profits are low, one banker said: "Airports are being sold on passenger forecasts, not earnings multiples.''
Leeds Bradford is expecting rapid passenger growth, partly owing to the expansion of Jet2, owned by the private Dart Group. Jet2 passengers at Leeds Bradford rose by 17pc last year. Other customers include Bmi and KLM Cityhopper.
Leeds Bradford directors expect passenger traffic to top 3m in the next two years and reach 5m passengers by 2015.
The airport is situated at one of the biggest conurbations outside London, but loses traffic to neighbouring airports, including Manchester.
Leeds and Bradford councils each own 40pc of the airport, with Calderdale, Kirklees and Wakefield councils holding the rest of the shares.
Some of the losing bidders for Exeter Airport, including the Low Cost Airport Group led by Blackpool Airport owner Paul Whelan, and Save, the Italian operator of Venice Marco Polo airport, are expected to take a look at Leeds Bradford. Abertis, the owner of Luton Airport, Balfour Beatty, which successfully bid for Exeter, and various private equity groups are also likely to be interested.
Leeds Bradford expects to complete the sale in the first quarter of next year".
> Sale by first quarter next year - they're not hanging around.
"THE sale of Leeds Bradford International Airport is set to take off next month when its owners issue an information flyer seeking bids in excess of pounds 100m.
Leeds Bradford's five local authority owners have hired accountants Ernst & Young to handle the sale of the latest UK regional airport to be put on the block.
They hope to capitalise on the strong bidding interest in airport assets following the pounds 750m sale of London City Airport and the pounds 60m sale of Exeter, both of which fetched better-than-expected prices.
The fast-growing Leeds Bradford hit the headlines earlier this month when a Sun reporter claimed she had boarded a plane wearing a Muslim niqab veil without being asked to show her face for passport checks.
However, it is the forecasts for passenger traffic growth which will catch the attention of bidders. The flyer is expected to show that the single runway airport has seen a 183pc rise in passenger traffic over the past decade, up from 922,976 passengers in 1995 to 2.61m last year.
Total turnover is up from pounds 17.6m in the year to March 2002 to pounds 21.02m in the most recent financial year, when profits slipped from pounds 881,000 to pounds 788,000 pre-tax. Net assets increased from pounds 31.1m to pounds 34.2m last year. While profits are low, one banker said: "Airports are being sold on passenger forecasts, not earnings multiples.''
Leeds Bradford is expecting rapid passenger growth, partly owing to the expansion of Jet2, owned by the private Dart Group. Jet2 passengers at Leeds Bradford rose by 17pc last year. Other customers include Bmi and KLM Cityhopper.
Leeds Bradford directors expect passenger traffic to top 3m in the next two years and reach 5m passengers by 2015.
The airport is situated at one of the biggest conurbations outside London, but loses traffic to neighbouring airports, including Manchester.
Leeds and Bradford councils each own 40pc of the airport, with Calderdale, Kirklees and Wakefield councils holding the rest of the shares.
Some of the losing bidders for Exeter Airport, including the Low Cost Airport Group led by Blackpool Airport owner Paul Whelan, and Save, the Italian operator of Venice Marco Polo airport, are expected to take a look at Leeds Bradford. Abertis, the owner of Luton Airport, Balfour Beatty, which successfully bid for Exeter, and various private equity groups are also likely to be interested.
Leeds Bradford expects to complete the sale in the first quarter of next year".
> Sale by first quarter next year - they're not hanging around.
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I heard it from a crew member who has received a letter from the company explaining that there will no longer be a base at LBA. This apparently is due to a dispute with a tour operator.
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NEW-CREW's information is correct unfortunately. It would have been nice to have seen a 737-800 at LBA from AEU next summer, but unfortunately myTravel seem to have scuppered that.
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Okay thanks for that guys, the question is then : Who will run the programme from LBA for MYT next year ?
....or maybe there will be no programme ?? (still bookable however)
Okay thanks for that guys, the question is then : Who will run the programme from LBA for MYT next year ?
....or maybe there will be no programme ?? (still bookable however)
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Whos going to fly MYT routes out of LBA Summer 07
Well before astraeus decided to end ops at lba (LAST FLIGHT TOMORROW)
it was suggested to staff that a 737-800 would be damp leased from HELIOS airways ((well their re-incarnation AJET AVIATION))
But we got told last week that this isnt happening and someone like BMI or BMI baby will take on the routes
it was suggested to staff that a 737-800 would be damp leased from HELIOS airways ((well their re-incarnation AJET AVIATION))
But we got told last week that this isnt happening and someone like BMI or BMI baby will take on the routes
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Well before astraeus decided to end ops at lba (LAST FLIGHT TOMORROW)
it was suggested to staff that a 737-800 would be damp leased from HELIOS airways ((well their re-incarnation AJET AVIATION))
But we got told last week that this isnt happening and someone like BMI or BMI baby will take on the routes
it was suggested to staff that a 737-800 would be damp leased from HELIOS airways ((well their re-incarnation AJET AVIATION))
But we got told last week that this isnt happening and someone like BMI or BMI baby will take on the routes
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From LBA's website it now shows:
Tue ALC on a W with TOM
Wed Banjul with AEU. Nothing from TOM (i.e. ACE gone !)
Thu ACE with IWD
Fri TFS with AEA (no TOM)
Sat ALC on a W with TOM plus the Chambery and Innsbruck
Sun Malta BritishJet
TOM's website however still shows a based unit. Are LBA unveiling something that TOM haven't yet told their customers ??
Tue ALC on a W with TOM
Wed Banjul with AEU. Nothing from TOM (i.e. ACE gone !)
Thu ACE with IWD
Fri TFS with AEA (no TOM)
Sat ALC on a W with TOM plus the Chambery and Innsbruck
Sun Malta BritishJet
TOM's website however still shows a based unit. Are LBA unveiling something that TOM haven't yet told their customers ??
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BMI with a based A320 are to pick up MYT / Astraeus S07 charters with a few tweaks to the plan.
No FNC, CFU or VRN. Dalaman will be done in place of CFU on a Friday. Possibly a PMI flight on a saturday.
No FNC, CFU or VRN. Dalaman will be done in place of CFU on a Friday. Possibly a PMI flight on a saturday.
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Heres the programme for bmi's based A320 on Charters for LBA next summer 2007.
Mondays
LBA – REU 09:30 12:40 REU – LBA 19:40 20:55(W legs to Teeside)
Tuesdays
LBA – PMI 07:00 10:30 PMI – LBA 11:15 12:25
LBA – HKR 13:35 19:45 HKR – LBA 20:30 22:15
Wednesdays
LBA – RHO 07:00 13:15 RHO – LBA 14:00 15:50
LBA – FUE 16:50 21:05 FUE – LBA 21:50 01:40
Thursdays
LBA – FAO 06:00 08:55 FAO – LBA 09:40 12:20
LBA – ZKY 13:20 18:55 ZKY - LBA 19:40 20:55
Fridays
LBA – IBZ 06:00 09:30 IBZ – LBA 10:15 11:45
LBA – MAH 12:45 16:15 MAH – LBA 17:00 18:15
LBA – DJM 19:15 01:25 DJM – LBA 02:10 04:30
Saturdays
LBA - ALC 13:15 16:40 ALC – LBA 17:25 19:05
LBA – LPA 20:05 00:25 LPA – LBA 01:10 05:50
Sunday
LBA - AGP 07:00 10:55 AGP – LBA 11:40 13:20
LBA – LCA 14:20 21:05 LCA – LBA 21:50 00:10
1, No FNC Service (Been told that the operators are trying to get someone else in to operate it)
2.The Friday Eveing Thomas Cook service to CFU has been dropped. Now replaced with an DJM Service. (This was to be operated by a B737-800 of turkish airline Pegasus.)
3.The VRO service has been dropped. This is a nother service which is to be moved over to Thomsons DSA base. (A extra service to PMI along with the Thomsons REU service have been mentioned as a replacement op on Saturday mornings for the based unit.)
4.Noticed that the Wednesday FUE flight is now operated by the based unit. This has previously been operated by the likes off LTE and FUA.
Any comments guys??
Mondays
LBA – REU 09:30 12:40 REU – LBA 19:40 20:55(W legs to Teeside)
Tuesdays
LBA – PMI 07:00 10:30 PMI – LBA 11:15 12:25
LBA – HKR 13:35 19:45 HKR – LBA 20:30 22:15
Wednesdays
LBA – RHO 07:00 13:15 RHO – LBA 14:00 15:50
LBA – FUE 16:50 21:05 FUE – LBA 21:50 01:40
Thursdays
LBA – FAO 06:00 08:55 FAO – LBA 09:40 12:20
LBA – ZKY 13:20 18:55 ZKY - LBA 19:40 20:55
Fridays
LBA – IBZ 06:00 09:30 IBZ – LBA 10:15 11:45
LBA – MAH 12:45 16:15 MAH – LBA 17:00 18:15
LBA – DJM 19:15 01:25 DJM – LBA 02:10 04:30
Saturdays
LBA - ALC 13:15 16:40 ALC – LBA 17:25 19:05
LBA – LPA 20:05 00:25 LPA – LBA 01:10 05:50
Sunday
LBA - AGP 07:00 10:55 AGP – LBA 11:40 13:20
LBA – LCA 14:20 21:05 LCA – LBA 21:50 00:10
1, No FNC Service (Been told that the operators are trying to get someone else in to operate it)
2.The Friday Eveing Thomas Cook service to CFU has been dropped. Now replaced with an DJM Service. (This was to be operated by a B737-800 of turkish airline Pegasus.)
3.The VRO service has been dropped. This is a nother service which is to be moved over to Thomsons DSA base. (A extra service to PMI along with the Thomsons REU service have been mentioned as a replacement op on Saturday mornings for the based unit.)
4.Noticed that the Wednesday FUE flight is now operated by the based unit. This has previously been operated by the likes off LTE and FUA.
Any comments guys??
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I have a couple of comments:
1. Who says its going to be BMI ? has this been confirmed ??
2. Dalaman seems like a futile operation to me. Turkey is well down on peoples wish list for hols at present.
1. Who says its going to be BMI ? has this been confirmed ??
2. Dalaman seems like a futile operation to me. Turkey is well down on peoples wish list for hols at present.
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1. It's on the MyTravel computer system with BD flight numbers.
2. It did'nt seem futile for Goldtrail who sold out their twice weekly Turkey programme with an A300 and an A321 with only a 2 month lead in time. MyTravel are only doing the DLM with the BMI flight, because this year it was done on the Thomsonfly 757 sharing with TUI.
Guess you don't work at LBA then?
2. It did'nt seem futile for Goldtrail who sold out their twice weekly Turkey programme with an A300 and an A321 with only a 2 month lead in time. MyTravel are only doing the DLM with the BMI flight, because this year it was done on the Thomsonfly 757 sharing with TUI.
Guess you don't work at LBA then?