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Old 2nd Oct 2006, 22:34
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If bmi cant make money on the LHR service there is something seriously wrong. Any fool can make money in LHR, It is the most pestigious, most sought after airport for any flag carrier. I just dont buy that domestic service is unprofitable, hubs like LHR exist to feed traffic from smaller destinations to larger ones. Perhaps the BAA should look at awarding slots for endangered/underserved services within the UK? like at some airports in the US. Or at least make BA & bmi's international slots a function of their non-trunk domestic ones.
Landing fees at LHR can be crippling, while the service may do well it wont do as well as a service with larger a/c to some long haul destination. They pride themselves on being the worlds busiest international airport and so price a lot of services out of the market

If what Northern Hero says is true though i dont think you have anything to worry about.
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Old 2nd Oct 2006, 22:45
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
Perhaps the BAA should look at awarding slots for endangered/underserved services within the UK? like at some airports in the US.
This would have nothing to do with BAA. As a private company, their remit is to operate airports at maximum profitability. It would, however, have a lot to do with the UK government, who are highly unlikely to legislate in this way. The best example of a city which should have protected access to LHR is Liverpool (and MME)
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 07:35
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Originally Posted by ryanair1 View Post
If mainline bmi hand over LHR to regional, flyglobespan wil probably do STN too. long-haul connections will be lost to AMS.
No they won't - the agreement between bmi and DTVA that only they can operate jet equipment into London would still stand. Although following Northern Hero's comments I now think it will remain in the hands of mainline.

Before the announcement that bmibaby were pulling out, it was mentioned that the airport was getting, "either a new operator or an old one returning" and Northern Hero hinted at this again in the post I referred to above, plus, Hugh Lang himself told ITV's North East news that there were more route announcements up the airports sleeve - so come on guys, bit more effort - who's gonna be flying where?
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 10:23
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GSM to operate SH flights for S07

Looks like GSM will operate a series of shorthaul flights from MME to: ALC, AGP, PMI, FAO. Not released yet, but if you mess around with their timetables, these routes all come up. Should be announced shortly.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 10:28
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I sure as hell hope you're right! That would certainly take the sting out of bmibabys departure and *MIGHT* stop our annual passenger numbers from falling below the 1 million mark next year.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 12:44
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If you play around with the timetables you get PMI times for the return from 1st April, daily leaving PMI at 1430 arr MME at 1825

The destinations that show up properly are ALC AGP FAO PMI TFS at the moment (the ones I could find!) - certainly looks good from Flyg!

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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 13:28
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What kind of timetable messing around are you talking about? Can't get any of these routes to show.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 13:58
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No, I can't get any to show either?

The timetable section looks like a hard link - can you show us what you're doing.

In answer to an earlier question BTW, KLM F70 still 3 times daily over winter, though an F50 went overhead yesterday for the 5pm arrival. An one-off or a regular downgrade I don't know.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 14:02
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I think the KL1537 has been operated by a Fokker F50 for the last three days :-(

Hopefully, it is just a temporary measure. The KL1533 and KL1539 are still being operated by the Fokker F70.

When do the winter schedules officially start? I thought it would be this week but looking at the arrivals and departures boards the summer schedules are still running.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 14:13
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Originally Posted by Jet_stream View Post
What kind of timetable messing around are you talking about? Can't get any of these routes to show.
I think that what the lads playing around with Globespan timetables are doing, is assuming that gaps in the Globespan timetables are going to be filled with flights to MME.

???
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 14:14
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This all makes for very interesting news.. PMI Daily is good and the others are certainly welcome, i would also hope a PRG route would be announced at some point.

I think flyglobespan has been mentioned a few times, the rumours and expectations based on what has been said coming from the press and airport officials looks promising re new airlines and old airlines returning.

So if Flyglobespan do take over PMI/ALC/AGP and introduce FAO a few routes and possibilities are left from what Baby is leaving behind.

In addition is it just a rumour or could there be any truth in BMI making an announcement on something seen earlier in this thread- am not talking axing of LHR as i believe that will stay but could an embraer be winging its way to MME i wonder for new routes?

Am throwing caution to the wind as i havent commented on what could happen and saying what i could see working but this would be it:

Flybe looking at LGW (although understand that BMI London agreement exists) maybe BFS also?
Air Southwest to Newquay
Ryanair bringing back Rome and possibly introducing Cork/Shannon? Is good news on the Girona front though, looks like the acted quickly to reduce NCL to 4x week to introduce MME 3x week (as it looks to have been the case)
and i still wouldnt rule out Thomsonfly at somepoint, would very well complement their existing charter ops.

food for thought anyway!
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Charlie Roy View Post
I think that what the lads playing around with Globespan timetables are doing, is assuming that gaps in the Globespan timetables are going to be filled with flights to MME.

???
I would assume it will be a bit more complex than that, I don't think they would be getting excited over something that could mean anything.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 15:03
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I see what these guys are doing now...and before you get a bit too over excited. This does not mean that these routes are going on sale, it simply means that the routes have been loaded onto the website.

I could very well be wrong but looking at the ABZ flights it shows at least 3 daily flights to different destinations with overlapping flight times, which would mean at least 3 a/c at ABZ not going to happen.

So until the MME S07 routes are announced and bookable we'll have to wait and see.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 15:11
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Ryanair base.

I was just discussing on the Ryanair thread about a possible base at MME. I just suggested a few routes that they could possibly start, if ye want to check it out.

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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 15:19
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Don't think I can post the link but I can see now.

Essentially, go to the timetable section, and on the address change the season to summer 07 and change the destination. If you type in PMI you can see the daily schedule.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 15:50
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Yes if you change the destination in the address bar (go to timetables and click on GLA-BCN for example on Summer 2007 bit) to MME + PMI you can see the daily flights laid out (return only at the moment) and it shows the 2 'headers' for ALC, AGP, FAO and TFS also. However, put in YYZ or JFK and you'll see what you would normally get were you to simply 'make up' routes.

That bmi ERJ rumours sounds interesting, wonder if it could be for JER?

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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 15:59
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Aha! Ok I see what ye are doing now.
Changing the URL parameters: ingenious

?OutDepAir=MME&OutArrAir=PMI&Season=SE7
shows daily flights to PMI for example.
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 16:14
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Has this not been said before about changing the URL at the front.
Im sure that if you type in NCL to pmi-tfs- etc it will bring u to the same pages.

Hope mme does get something out of this though.

New York from NCL with GSM would be nice
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 16:58
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I am afraid it doesn't, it comes up with an error message when you try to put NCL to PMI for example, where it doesn't when you put mme to pmi.

Hopefully something will come out of this, but remember Geneva appeared on the bmibaby website timetable?!

Plus they had better hurry up and announce it if this is correct as they start going to PMI on 3rd November!!!
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Old 4th Oct 2006, 10:19
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Remember when Birmingham briefly appeared on bmibaby's website as a destination from MME? I wonder if that was a cruel ominous joke from WW's management.

Or maybe a series of staff flights to move everyone to the new base.


Good potential news on Flyglobespan though. I think they could make a success of things.
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