Ryanair - 3

[shannon55]

Ema-porto

I'd say Porto will become an important destination for Ryanair in order to tackle TAP and/or Portugalia, so along with Faro, I suspect Ryanair are going to enlarge their services to/from Portugal in the near, near future.
Therefore I wouldn't be suprized to see a EMA-OPO route announced over the winter season, they may wish to test the demand for travel to northern Portugal from their existing bases before possibly opening a new base there?????Lisbon is pathetically underserved by LCCs and while Faro in the south makes up for it somewhat, I see Ryanair expanding considerably at Porto.

[Charlie Roy]

Portugal

This article from a couple of months ago suggests that Porto will soon be made a Ryanair base:

http://www.fabricadeconteudos.com/?l...a36f30086ec37f

(In Portugese, use Babelfish)

[shannon55]

Oh well then...there you have it! Ya i can definitely see EMA as part of this expansion

Besides maybe Porto, I wonder what other bases Ryanair will open over the Winter season??? I think the north-east of England is in with a shout. If you look at Ryanair's destination map, their nearest bases to the people of North-East England are Liverpool/EMA to the south and Prestwick to the north.....somehow i cant see any Geordies or the like trekking that far when they have easyjet and Jet2 on their doorstep @ Newcastle!

So what I was thinking was, with BMI baby after fleeing Durham Tees, the management of that Airport have been left with a gi-normous gap in their schedule and are losing goodwill and passengers to the nearbuy Newcastle airport. This, therefore would be a perfect oppertunity for them to offer Ryanair a good deal on landing charges and so on because any drop in charges they experience will be more then offset by the large amount of passengers that would be flowing through the airport.

Ryanair, however, have the oppertunity to grab a large slice of the nth-east market. I'm aware that they currrently serve more routes to NEW then MME but things may change!
These are the routes I was thinking of.....:

Rome-Ciampino
Stansted
Marseille
Carcassonne
Porto
Treviso
Seville
Valencia
Any other suggestions????

[BALLSOUT]

MME-HHN
MME-KRK
MME-BVA
MME-STN/LGW
MME-GRO
MME-GSE/TRP
MME-Cork
MME-Murcia

[shannon55]

Hahn is definitely a possibility, I think they only serve Stansted from there (in England) so its certainly a possibility.

[ryan2000]

Ryan2000

Ryanair have a stubborn resistance to operating any new routes from Cork.
ORK-PIK is a no brainer now that Loganair have gone from ORK GLA and is more likely to happen that ORK-MME.

[daz211]

Anyone heard anything ?



The “Economy” inset of newspaper “Politis” refers to the interest that the Irish low budget airline, Ryanair, had shown for Cyprus. Despite CTO’s efforts for the ‘arrival’ of Ryanair in Cyprus.
http://www.stockwatch.com.cy/nqconte...w&ann_id=62457

[shannon55]

Ryanair-Cyprus

I found this article in relation to the flights to Cyprus:

"Route development director Bernard Berger said: "Our flight length has been growing. We launched Dublin-Malta this month, which takes three hours 50 minutes. But our average sector length remains short. We may fly to Cyprus, although not necessarily from the UK. "

Here's the link: http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/09/21/1919404.htm

[caja]

Portugal

The base in the Port will have to depend on the Portuguese State to raise the restrictions to the internal flights. These routes had been granted by means of public competition. The Ryanair intends to not only fly for the continent but also for the islands. The intended voos are:
Continent: Lisboa and Faro
Islands:
Madeira: Funchal and Porto Santo
Açores: Pico, Santa Maria, Faial and Ponta Delgada

[RogerIrrelevant69]

what a shame...

On a slightly unrelated note, I remember earlier this year that OLeary claimed when he brought in the check-in charges for baggage that anyone not checking in baggage would save money.

I wonder could I sue him over this claim as it is just completely false. As a regular on the Dublin-Edinburgh run I used to pay about €80 to €90 going out on Friday and coming back Sunday and that included checking in up to 15kg of luggage. Now I pay, guess what: €80 to €90 but if I want to check in 15kg of luggage that will be €20 extra return. So an effective increase of €20. Gosh thanks for the saving Michael.

I also remember one pprune contributor saying that this is exactly what would happen in the long term. Once FR chase everyone off the routes they fly, they will charge what they like.

[woodpecker]

Mr Justice John Quirke stated

the costs of providing the service should be the most relevant factor in the calculation of the fees to be charged

Perhaps Michael should apply this logic to the 11 euros charged for a gin'n'tonic with no ice or lemon. The Gerona based cabin crew suggested they only put the ice and lemon on the first flight of the day and when it's gone, it's gone!

[bmibaby.com]

Fail to see why Ryanair should pay the full amount given that they do manual check in for the majority of their flights. I appreciate why many people loathe O'Leary, but at the end of the day he seems to be the only one in this industry who stands up passionately about what he believes makes it equal & fair, even if some of his airline's service standards are not exactly to the high standards many of us have come to expect. He's allowing Europeans to fly more cheaply, so kudos to him & keep the good work coming!

[Rev Thrust]

Originally Posted by RogerIrrelevant69

...OLeary claimed when he brought in the check-in charges for baggage that anyone not checking in baggage would save money.

And did you think that would mean "save money as against your CURRENT payment situation?" If so, I have to suggest politely that perhaps you were being a tad naive.

I wonder could I sue him over this claim as it is just completely false.

Not a chance, I'd expect. He never specified exactly what the 'saving' was against (and it's clear enough to an old cynic like me, that he meant "against the NEW fee structure coming into force"). You merely interpreted it incorrectly on the basis of your own hopes, and insufficient data.

Welcome to the world of 'marketing'.

As a regular on the Dublin-Edinburgh run I used to pay about €80 to €90 going out on Friday and coming back Sunday and that included checking in up to 15kg of luggage. Now I pay, guess what: €80 to €90 but if I want to check in 15kg of luggage that will be €20 extra return. So an effective increase of €20. Gosh thanks for the saving Michael.

Eh? Am I missing something? You ARE checking in baggage, so how come you even EXPECT a saving? Of course it's a price increase! O'Leary said it was coming - you've even said so yourself in your first para!

Had you NOT been checking in baggage, then you would, in point of fact, be paying €20 less than someone who was checking in baggage, ergo, compared to them, you would be saving €20! What part of this is hard to grasp?

I also remember one pprune contributor saying that this is exactly what would happen in the long term. Once FR chase everyone off the routes they fly, they will charge what they like.

Highly likely. It's what all cut-price cut-throats do, and have done, since time immemorial. The reality of it is, though, there will always be SOMEONE willing to undercut the 'ripoff merchant' on any given service. So, given enough time, once RYR up their charges to a point past ridiculousness, some other entrepreneur will step in, and undercut HIM!

Repeat ad nauseum, to fade: "Big fish, little fish, gobble-gobble-gobble"

[touch&go]

But he has caused the T&C's in the whole industry to erode, so thank you Micheal your a star.

[ShotOne]

I am definitely not in the O'Leary fan club but in this case he is absolutely right. Airlines are screwed to the point of blackmail by airport operators. Why, as in the security issue, is he the only one to speak up over it?

[RogerIrrelevant69]

OK Rev Thrust let's just say you are not just out for a wind up.

You appear to have some difficulty grasping (a) what I actually wrote and (b) sarcasm.

I believe I made my key point pretty clearly. But perhaps a re-wording would be helpful. When the baggage charges were being introduced MOL made it very clear that pax not checking in baggage would pay less than they were currently paying. Is there anything in that sentence that is confusing? If so please advise.

Clearly I am not in the business of suing MOL or anyone else. That was the sarcastic bit.

I do look forward to your comments...

[Rev Thrust]

Originally Posted by RogerIrrelevant69

When the baggage charges were being introduced MOL made it very clear that pax not checking in baggage would pay less than they were currently paying.

I believe this is wishful thinking, Roger. I interpreted Molly's statements as quite the opposite, but perhaps that is because I am a cynical old sausage who treats most of the 'PR' given out by corporate execs to be nothing but flannel and cleverly-worded mis-truths designed to fool us unsuspecting public into believing we're getting a good deal, when in actual fact, we're about to get ripped off.

I believe in the marketing world they term it 'The Big Lie' (in all seriousness).

I expect, if you are able to lay hands on the exact words that Molly said, you'll probably find that it is worded in such a way as to be ambiguous, precisely with the intention that (unless your cynicism gland was at full strength and pumping), one might reasonably believe that one was getting a "new and good deal". When of course, the harsh reality (as we all now know, and you have found out first-hand), is that nothing's really changed, except that the baggage-checker-inners are being stiffed.

Ain't that always the way in this modern world, alas?

Please don't take my use of the word 'naive' as an insult or nastiness... it really wasn't meant to be so, and I just couldn't think of another way to put it. Replace it with 'innocent', or 'trusting', or simply 'human'... it amounts to the same thing. The real trouble is that corporate execs are usually NONE of those things, and a lot more besides... we just need to expect that, I'm very sad to say.

Pax? (as in 'Peace?' rather than 'Passengers')

[James 1077]

Originally Posted by RogerIrrelevant69

Clearly I am not in the business of suing MOL or anyone else.

Although given Ryanair's record in court it could be quite lucrative!

[RogerIrrelevant69]

OK Rev Thrust, benefit of the doubt I'd say for now....

By the way I (and I'm sure regular FR victims/customers will agree) was not really that surprised when the savings did not come through as promised. I was pretty cynical about this too but I do have optimist tendencies - although I can't imagine why.

Actually found this link with all sorts of promises made about this. Interestingly none of the important ones are kept: fare reduction of 9%, 15kg allowance (20kg promised), €10 each way (€3.50 promised), etc, etc.

Advertising link removed

[149pax]

Ryan to fly to Iceland

It was stated in this months Icelandic Airline Pilots Association newsletter that Ryanair are going to start competing with IcelandExpress on the STN-KEF route. Also rumours they will start a new route out of Dublin to Keflavik, no one on that route now.

Ryanair would then also be competing with Icelandair (LHR-KEF) and BA (LGW-KEF). First foreign LoCo to fly to Iceland since GO did so the summer of '98. Any views?

Thumbs up from me if this is true. I think EZY should have started the route ages ago because GO's experience was quite good that summer. Hopefully IcelandExpress will survive.