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Roy Suckling passed away a couple of years ago, company is now controlled by Merlyn Suckling. Company is now a full fledged ACMI operator, the LCY slots were sold about 3 years ago.
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LCY-EDI and LCY-DND ops on Scot's D38 are both ACMI...and the deal comes to an end at the end of December this year, after which CityJet take over full operation of both routes with their own metal
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I had missed the news about Roy Sucking passing away. I recall in the late 80's/early 90's a TV documentary about the creation of the then Suckling Airways which flew from Cambridge to Manchester and Amsterdam using a D228 (G-BMMR). In flight catering prepared by friends and neighbours literally on the kitchen table. I also recall seeing the D228 many times at Manchester. It is a type I have never flown on but would dearly like to.
Suckling/Scot seems to have favoured niche markets but moved on once the "big boys" move in - Southampton - Amsterdam and maybe CDG at one time. It also operated LCY-BHD for a while with D328 on behalf of Air France
Suckling/Scot seems to have favoured niche markets but moved on once the "big boys" move in - Southampton - Amsterdam and maybe CDG at one time. It also operated LCY-BHD for a while with D328 on behalf of Air France
Whenever I have gone to Dundee there have been substantial loads (got overbooked once, when the Air France staff at LCY all suddenly became non-English speaking until the manager had to come out).
It will be a shame to see Scot go after all these years. They are well into corporate charters (not a lot the size of the Do328 on the market) for companies, football teams, etc, but the closure of LCY from Saturday to Sunday lunch squelches much weekend demand for the, especially from sporting teams who the aircraft is an ideal size for.
The story abot LCY not liking sub-50 seaters was a few years ago, more passengers and less stand space then. In the last year or two they seem to have lost more operations than they have gained, so maybe a different attitude prevails now.
It will be a shame to see Scot go after all these years. They are well into corporate charters (not a lot the size of the Do328 on the market) for companies, football teams, etc, but the closure of LCY from Saturday to Sunday lunch squelches much weekend demand for the, especially from sporting teams who the aircraft is an ideal size for.
The story abot LCY not liking sub-50 seaters was a few years ago, more passengers and less stand space then. In the last year or two they seem to have lost more operations than they have gained, so maybe a different attitude prevails now.
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Originally Posted by virginblue
LCY-EDI and LCY-DND ops on Scot's D38 are both ACMI...and the deal comes to an end at the end of December this year, after which CityJet take over full operation of both routes with their own metal
For many years and until about a year ago, I travelled on a fortnightly basis from LCY-EDI using AF/WX's flights. From my experience the flights operated by the D328's where much more reliable, punctual and comfortable, not to mention offered a far more personal and friendly service compared to those flights operated using WX's cramped RJ85's.
Originally Posted by WHBM
It will be a shame to see Scot go after all these years. They are well into c'rporate charters (not a lot the size of the Do328 on the market) for companies, football teams, etc, but the closure of LCY from Saturday to Sunday lunch squelches much weekend demand for the, especially from sporting teams who the aircraft is an ideal size for.
Scot managed to do well with the Dornier because it really seems like an executive aircraft (and Scot still provide a cabin service to suit, whatever the Cityjet corporate manual says). They are also speedy for a prop aircraft, and they feel modern. In contrast the F50 feels like a basic old plodder (which is of course what it is, a 1950s F27 with different engines). The F50 had to come off the Amsterdam route in similar circumstances once BA started serving there.
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The F50 will never compete with the Ejet on the Edinburgh, so we wait to see what they do there. For now 2 D328 will operate EDI-LCY until dec 31st when the contract expires. As for DND its going to be a Fokker exclusively from dec 31st and mixture of F50 and D328 until then - Just wait for the schedule for winter - this route is being ruined by cityjet...... No peak time morning arrivals which is handy
We don't own the slots anymore either, to answer a previous question.
And as for surviving without the WX work, we'll see......
We don't own the slots anymore either, to answer a previous question.
And as for surviving without the WX work, we'll see......
Par for the course, like no end-of-day arrival into London City from Amsterdam nowadays, which eliminates a whole raft of potential convenient connections on KLM routes, and thus loses the whole round trip, including the longer haul, to the likes of Swiss, who do seem able to arrange this.
Is this all speculation or has there been an announcement about the F50 taking over the Dundee route? Will the Dundee route survive at 4 X daily or will they cut rotations to maintain load factor? Are the operating cost much higher on the F50? Is the F50 a good plane for Dundee's runway and ramp?
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F50 has operated into there before; VLM did a series for at least one summer from Jersey to Dundee and back. Now that must have been a long slow drag. But is putting these on the LCY run really the most efficient way for Cityjet ?
Incidentally, did I just notice a Scot aircraft at London City with an Aer Arann logo on the rear ? Have they got some work elsewhere ?
Incidentally, did I just notice a Scot aircraft at London City with an Aer Arann logo on the rear ? Have they got some work elsewhere ?
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Bad Bear, no speculation involved, been announced to staff that CJ contract ends dec 31st, when citijet will take over EDI/DND with their own equipment.
WHBM G-CCGS is operating for Aer Arron on the IOM run.
WHBM G-CCGS is operating for Aer Arron on the IOM run.
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How much longer will the Fokker 50 need on the DND-LCY route? The Dornier 328 is one quick turboprop, whereas the Fokker 50 is rather slow beast - top speed is more than 100mph less than on the Dornier. And from EDI you now have jets operating to LCY.
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Originally Posted by virginblue
How much longer will the Fokker 50 need on the DND-LCY route? The Dornier 328 is one quick turboprop, whereas the Fokker 50 is rather slow beast - top speed is more than 100mph less than on the Dornier.
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I wonder if Cityjet/AF are going to contract BE/Loganair to operate the DND-LCY flight as i really think they will struggle to fill the F50.
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There is about 20 more seats on the F50 compared to the D328. Even by cutting frequency to 3 daily there will still be about 20-30 more seats than at present. Is there demand to fill these seats??
So, how about the speed - any guestimates how much longer the journey will take on the Fokker?