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(Reuters) Shared airport for Gibraltar
Spain, Britain and Gibraltar announced a preliminary agreement on shared use of the British colony’s airport and other practical issues to make life easier for the Rock’s residents and their neighbours.
In a joint communiqué the three parties said that ministers would meet in Spain on September 18 to discuss the deal, which came after more than a year of talks over issues raised by Spain.
Spain hopes that it will eventually be able to start talks on sovereignty.
Spain, Britain and Gibraltar announced a preliminary agreement on shared use of the British colony’s airport and other practical issues to make life easier for the Rock’s residents and their neighbours.
In a joint communiqué the three parties said that ministers would meet in Spain on September 18 to discuss the deal, which came after more than a year of talks over issues raised by Spain.
Spain hopes that it will eventually be able to start talks on sovereignty.
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The airport has always had its eye on the business chances for greater use for flts serving Spain. The problem is though lack of terminal space but they could ceratinly handle 4-6 aircraft an hour.
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I wrote the article on Gibraltar airport in the current Airports of the World magazine after a visit and talking to some people "in the know" about what's going on there.
There's great potential for flights from Gibraltar both within Spain and to elsewhere in Europe. The Spanish towns around the Bay (La Linea, Algeciras etc) would welcome this, as it would save a long drive to Malaga. Gibraltar would also boom as an alternative entry point to the Costa del Sol.
But the Spanish government will not allow flights to the airport from anywhere in the EU (excluding the UK) unless the British allow joint control of the airport. It's these talks that are taking place now, and sadly may see Spain getting their own way.
The other contributing factor to the small number of operators at Gibraltar is the pricing put in place by the MOD (who run the airport) - which are 5 times higher than at Malaga. Ryanair have already said they'd like to fly there, but not at those prices.
There's great potential for flights from Gibraltar both within Spain and to elsewhere in Europe. The Spanish towns around the Bay (La Linea, Algeciras etc) would welcome this, as it would save a long drive to Malaga. Gibraltar would also boom as an alternative entry point to the Costa del Sol.
But the Spanish government will not allow flights to the airport from anywhere in the EU (excluding the UK) unless the British allow joint control of the airport. It's these talks that are taking place now, and sadly may see Spain getting their own way.
The other contributing factor to the small number of operators at Gibraltar is the pricing put in place by the MOD (who run the airport) - which are 5 times higher than at Malaga. Ryanair have already said they'd like to fly there, but not at those prices.
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While there is always a possibility of better flight connections from non UK operators from the rock it should never be forgotten that the airfield is owned by the MoD and shall be open in accordance with the MoD Requirements. While a little flexability may be allowed for profit making commercial operators I just hope that they will appreciate the MoD's position and that they will not whinge when they cannot operate within the schedule requirements that they believe they need to make better aircraft utilisation and naturally higher pax yields. On another note because of the road crossing the active runways - security for any night stoppers will have to be considered.
Also while it is a bit of a problem -significantly at the border if the Spanish are having shall we say an "off day" - the drive to the building site of Malaga Airport is no worse than what many have along the M4 corridor. I can do it within 1 hour 20 mins - quicker than the time expected one needs to stand in the Q for Easy Jet checkin at AGP on a hot summers day/night!
On another note, despite their previous bout of advertising when they proudly proclaimed in newspapers "you wanted it -so you get it" - I refer to BA flying from LHR to GIB - they have dropped the service from October and will continue to use LGW. Thanxs BA for the loyalty on this one which certainly did have good pax loads. Guess the temptation of ops out of East Midlands, Derby International or whatever its called these days and Lulsgate has perhaps removed our service?
A brighter note is that negotiations are continuing with Fly Gib or Gib Fly - who are pressing hard for new start up operations from the rock. Stansted, Bristol and Birmingham, Dublin and or Cork have been citied as destinations. 2 or 3 B737's are expected. If sucessful - and i for one hope it is - will probably mark the pull out in totality of BA and Monarch.
Nivsy.
Also while it is a bit of a problem -significantly at the border if the Spanish are having shall we say an "off day" - the drive to the building site of Malaga Airport is no worse than what many have along the M4 corridor. I can do it within 1 hour 20 mins - quicker than the time expected one needs to stand in the Q for Easy Jet checkin at AGP on a hot summers day/night!
On another note, despite their previous bout of advertising when they proudly proclaimed in newspapers "you wanted it -so you get it" - I refer to BA flying from LHR to GIB - they have dropped the service from October and will continue to use LGW. Thanxs BA for the loyalty on this one which certainly did have good pax loads. Guess the temptation of ops out of East Midlands, Derby International or whatever its called these days and Lulsgate has perhaps removed our service?
A brighter note is that negotiations are continuing with Fly Gib or Gib Fly - who are pressing hard for new start up operations from the rock. Stansted, Bristol and Birmingham, Dublin and or Cork have been citied as destinations. 2 or 3 B737's are expected. If sucessful - and i for one hope it is - will probably mark the pull out in totality of BA and Monarch.
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Originally Posted by nivsy
Also while it is a bit of a problem -significantly at the border if the Spanish are having shall we say an "off day" - the drive to the building site of Malaga Airport is no worse than what many have along the M4 corridor. I can do it within 1 hour 20 mins....
Is that 1 hour 20 mins at the speed limit, or slightly over? It took me more than 2 hours, but then again, I got lost in Marbella trying to avoid a toll.
On another note, despite their previous bout of advertising when they proudly proclaimed in newspapers "you wanted it -so you get it" - I refer to BA flying from LHR to GIB - they have dropped the service from October and will continue to use LGW. Thanxs BA for the loyalty on this one which certainly did have good pax loads.
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Nivsy re Gib services
I have been talking to another operator who would wish to operate scheduled services into Gibraltar, mostly with pax for Spain.
I spoke to medium level contacts in GIB, and was told in no uncertain terms that without the correct UK visa, these pax would not be allowed into Gibraltar airport, even if there "escorted " destination was Spain.
So how will a joint use airport work if the Gib "brit" authorities will not permit Schengen traffic into the airport.
I am back in Gib this week to discuss in more detail, lest hope the trip is not wasted.
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I spoke to medium level contacts in GIB, and was told in no uncertain terms that without the correct UK visa, these pax would not be allowed into Gibraltar airport, even if there "escorted " destination was Spain.
So how will a joint use airport work if the Gib "brit" authorities will not permit Schengen traffic into the airport.
I am back in Gib this week to discuss in more detail, lest hope the trip is not wasted.
Bumz
Reminds me of a case I encountered in '86 (told to me by my holiday rep who was also their rep). A family of US citizens arrived (on the same flight as me) with NATO ID cards but no passports; they were sent back to the UK, as you need a passport to enter Gib.
Really, some agreement should be worked out whereby passengers bound for La Linea exit/check in by a separate gate on the Spanish side of the border; it's not far after all and you could easily build a secure bridge to access it.
Really, some agreement should be worked out whereby passengers bound for La Linea exit/check in by a separate gate on the Spanish side of the border; it's not far after all and you could easily build a secure bridge to access it.
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It seems to me that if a mature level of political cooperation existed, then every party in the local area could benefit massively from an improved airport in Gib ... British and Spanish.
I lived in Gibraltar many moons ago and loved the place. With its proximity to Africa and the Costa del Sol, and its good weather I feel our "European family" should raise its game and invest more in the whole area .. starting by making it easier to get to !
I lived in Gibraltar many moons ago and loved the place. With its proximity to Africa and the Costa del Sol, and its good weather I feel our "European family" should raise its game and invest more in the whole area .. starting by making it easier to get to !
In answering the question of Bumz Rush - doing business in Gibraltar is sometimes laboured and somewhat time consuming on many aspects. You may feel that you are often hitting your head against that brick wall but usually if a task is worth persuing the end result can be favourable.
Put it down to a challenge!!
The issues raised on passport control and clearance through Gibraltar is not an easy one to answer. Politically the government here must be seen to be "doing the right thing" or it can be a vote loser - and any airport agreement is naturally big news.
I suppose it could be agrued that Gib is Brit controlled and therefore subject to the same regulations of any nationals travelling through effectively Brit territory that need a visa to entry then so be it. Holders of European passports will have no problems. Further, although I have no facts and figures, no doubt Spain would be verywaryof the possibility of ibcreasing illegal immigrants through the channel of Gibraltar Airport - albeit any entry through Gibraltar followed by a quick border crossing in Spain is always met by the customery road side - frontier checks of our Spanish neighbours.
But do tell - who is the "other operator"??
Nivsy
Put it down to a challenge!!The issues raised on passport control and clearance through Gibraltar is not an easy one to answer. Politically the government here must be seen to be "doing the right thing" or it can be a vote loser - and any airport agreement is naturally big news.
I suppose it could be agrued that Gib is Brit controlled and therefore subject to the same regulations of any nationals travelling through effectively Brit territory that need a visa to entry then so be it. Holders of European passports will have no problems. Further, although I have no facts and figures, no doubt Spain would be verywaryof the possibility of ibcreasing illegal immigrants through the channel of Gibraltar Airport - albeit any entry through Gibraltar followed by a quick border crossing in Spain is always met by the customery road side - frontier checks of our Spanish neighbours.
But do tell - who is the "other operator"??
Nivsy
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From todays Gibraltar Chronicle.
UK AVIATION EXPERT HELPS GIB BASED AIRLINE VENTURE
A leading aviation lawyer who helped set up easyJet 10 years ago is now advising local company OEM International on its plans to launch a Gibraltar-based airline. OEM is well-advanced in negotiations to set up FlyGibraltar, which will use the Rock as its hub for flights to various destinations in the UK and Ireland.
The company has retained the services of Hugh O’Donovan, an aviation specialist with Quadrant Chambers in London.
Mr O’Donovan, a highly-regarded lawyer who has worked across all areas of aviation law, is guiding OEM through the process of obtaining the necessary operating permits from the Civil Aviation Authority, the UK’s airline regulator.
He is working alongside the company’s Gibraltar management team, led by Darren McComb, and its local lawyer, Hassans partner Fabian Picardo.
Assuming all the necessary paperwork is in place, FlyGibraltar hopes to begin operations by the spring of 2007.
It will use chartered passenger planes that will start and end their flights in Gibraltar, spending the night on the tarmac here.
The company has already reached an understanding with the Ministry of Defence, which operates the local runway, on the thorny issue of runway fees.
The MoD had already indicated to existing carriers that an increase in traffic at the airport would help keep down the cost of running services to Gibraltar.
The launch of a local airline will provide a positive economic boost for Gibraltar, not just in terms of larger passenger throughput but also in terms of direct job creation.
FlyGibraltar will probably step into the market gap left after Monarch ceased its flights to the north of the UK this month.
Although the local airline intends to focus on the UK and Ireland for its launch services, longer term plans could include services to other destinations in Europe and possibly even north Africa.
OEM is expected to make a formal announcement on its airline venture within the next few weeks.
A leading aviation lawyer who helped set up easyJet 10 years ago is now advising local company OEM International on its plans to launch a Gibraltar-based airline. OEM is well-advanced in negotiations to set up FlyGibraltar, which will use the Rock as its hub for flights to various destinations in the UK and Ireland.
The company has retained the services of Hugh O’Donovan, an aviation specialist with Quadrant Chambers in London.
Mr O’Donovan, a highly-regarded lawyer who has worked across all areas of aviation law, is guiding OEM through the process of obtaining the necessary operating permits from the Civil Aviation Authority, the UK’s airline regulator.
He is working alongside the company’s Gibraltar management team, led by Darren McComb, and its local lawyer, Hassans partner Fabian Picardo.
Assuming all the necessary paperwork is in place, FlyGibraltar hopes to begin operations by the spring of 2007.
It will use chartered passenger planes that will start and end their flights in Gibraltar, spending the night on the tarmac here.
The company has already reached an understanding with the Ministry of Defence, which operates the local runway, on the thorny issue of runway fees.
The MoD had already indicated to existing carriers that an increase in traffic at the airport would help keep down the cost of running services to Gibraltar.
The launch of a local airline will provide a positive economic boost for Gibraltar, not just in terms of larger passenger throughput but also in terms of direct job creation.
FlyGibraltar will probably step into the market gap left after Monarch ceased its flights to the north of the UK this month.
Although the local airline intends to focus on the UK and Ireland for its launch services, longer term plans could include services to other destinations in Europe and possibly even north Africa.
OEM is expected to make a formal announcement on its airline venture within the next few weeks.
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Well the poor old Viscount came to an unfortunate end after running off the runway at Tangier, and after the border opened a lot of Morrocans lost their jobs and returned to Morroco, and it was also cheaper for those wishing to travel across the straights to cross over to Spain and get the ferry.