ISLE OF MAN
Norwich - IoM passenger numbers 2013
April - 125
May - 119
Each month had 4 Saturdays so average of about 15 passengers per flight
See the CAA website for more info...
May - 119
Each month had 4 Saturdays so average of about 15 passengers per flight
See the CAA website for more info...
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Originally Posted by jamestkirk
I looked at the BA website. It looks as though the IOM-LCY is totally finished after the 27/10.
Schedule for : 2nd September 2013 to 26th October 2013
BA3284 LCY 07:05 IOM 08:10 E70 5
BA3284 LCY 08:10 IOM 09:15 E70 6
BA3284 LCY 11:20 IOM 12:25 E70 x567
BA3284 LCY 12:50 IOM 13:65 E70 7 (From 15SEP13)
BA3285 IOM 09:10 LCY 10:15 E70 5
BA3285 IOM 09:50 LCY 10:55 E70 6
BA3285 IOM 13:00 LCY 14:05 E70 x567
BA3285 IOM 14:30 LCY 15:35 E70 6 (From 15SEP13)
Schedule for : 27th October 2013 to 29th March 2014
BA3284 LCY 09:30 IOM 10:35 E70 6
BA3284 LCY 11:20 IOM 12:25 E70 x67
BA3284 LCY 12:50 IOM 13:55 E70 7 (27OCT-15DEC, 17JAN-23MAR)
BA3284 LCY 15:45 IOM 16:50 E70 7 (22DEC to 12JAN)
BA3285 IOM 11:10 LCY 12:15 E70 6
BA3285 IOM 13:00 LCY 14:05 E70 x67
BA3285 IOM 14:30 LCY 15:35 E70 7 (27OCT-15DEC, 17JAN-23MAR)
BA3285 IOM 17:25 LCY 18:30 E70 7 (22DEC to 12JAN)
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There is a solution.....
....but not until 2029.....
From the Heathrow Airport Limited response the the Davies committee:
Full submission here: Long Term Capacity Options - HAL response
Of course history will repeat itself when that 80% excess capacity is used up and we'll be booted out, but I reckon I'll be long gone by then!
From the Heathrow Airport Limited response the the Davies committee:
Heathrow would also have the capacity to connect to a number of routes within the British Isles currently served by competing hub airports in Europe, for example: Guernsey, Jersey, Inverness, Isle of Man and Humberside. Connecting ten UK regional airports, with an average of three services each per day, and connecting 40 more long-haul destinations with a daily service requires 50k ATMs (Air Transport Movements) per annum. This represents about 20% of the full potential additional ATMs of a third runway. The remaining 80% of additional capacity would be used over time to improve connectivity via increased frequencies on existing long-haul routes and across the short-haul network.
Of course history will repeat itself when that 80% excess capacity is used up and we'll be booted out, but I reckon I'll be long gone by then!
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Identity document requirement for BA domestic flights?
I've now done some 30 departures to LCY with BA. For 26 of them I haven't been asked to produce any form of identity. For all other UK domestic sectors flown with BA (including Jersey and returns from LCY) I haven't been asked to produce ID. But 4 times on boarding this flight I have been asked to produce ID. 3 times by the same gate person. When queried I am told "it's an Isle of Man thing".
Is it? And if so can anyone tell me why?
Is it? And if so can anyone tell me why?
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Identity document requirement for BA domestic flights?
Quote: "I've now done some 30 departures to LCY with BA. For 26 of them I haven't been asked to produce any form of identity. For all other UK domestic sectors flown with BA (including Jersey and returns from LCY) I haven't been asked to produce ID. But 4 times on boarding this flight I have been asked to produce ID. 3 times by the same gate person. When queried I am told "it's an Isle of Man thing".
Is it? And if so can anyone tell me why?"
Good question!
Was always under the impression that it was an "airline thing": not required by BA and BD, required by AF (cityjet), BE, FR and U2. Don't know about the others such as EI, LS, T3, VS, etc..
Unless there's a way some of the no-frills are making money out of this, (forgotten your identification? - that'll be £50.00 please), it is a pointless exercise on a domestic route!
Is it? And if so can anyone tell me why?"
Good question!
Was always under the impression that it was an "airline thing": not required by BA and BD, required by AF (cityjet), BE, FR and U2. Don't know about the others such as EI, LS, T3, VS, etc..
Unless there's a way some of the no-frills are making money out of this, (forgotten your identification? - that'll be £50.00 please), it is a pointless exercise on a domestic route!
There is a provision in the Prevention of Terrorism Act that allows police to request to see ID from anyone, but they cannot stop you from travelling if you don't have it unless they have provable concerns about who you are or what you are intending to do. I was asked on departure at GLA to produce ID recently, didn't have any on me apart from a BA boarding card (as it's not an airline requirement to carry ID) and they asked who I was, where I lived and with no proof of either, accepted my answers and let me pass.
I do find it rather outrageous that this applies even within UK borders.
I do find it rather outrageous that this applies even within UK borders.
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Fairdealfrank I too am familiar with the revenue protection approach by LoCos, and I can actually understand (but not necessarily agree to) their desire to prevent cheap bookings being sold on or given away. Hence their enthusiasm to correlate ID with the boarding pass. BA and good old BD don't do this.
I also recognise the need to present a passport when travelling out of the UK; airlines understandably do not want to pick up the cost of repatriating those not eligible to enter the destination country, or incur fines and so on for transporting said undesirables.
Flightrider I too resent the requirement to produce a passport or similar for an internal flight (subject to the revenue protection argument). BA's only stipulation is that you bring the credit card you used to pay for the booking with you. I'd like to get to the bottom of this one though as a while ago the was some political shenanigans betwixt the UK, IoM, CI and Eire about having to pass through passport control when entering the UK from said countries, and thus the abandonment of the Common Travel Area. The then IoM Chief Minister negotiated and eventually assured us Manxies that we would not need to show our passports to enter the UK. So either the IoM Airport people, the IoM cops, Special Branch or IOM Immigration are now insisting on the opposite, or, I suspect, the handling agents are programmed to apply the same ID requirement regardless of airline. If the former I'm going to raise it with the politicos. If the later I'm hoping that someone from Menzies will confirm it's a SNAFU and sort it without any embarrassment to their staff.
I also recognise the need to present a passport when travelling out of the UK; airlines understandably do not want to pick up the cost of repatriating those not eligible to enter the destination country, or incur fines and so on for transporting said undesirables.
Flightrider I too resent the requirement to produce a passport or similar for an internal flight (subject to the revenue protection argument). BA's only stipulation is that you bring the credit card you used to pay for the booking with you. I'd like to get to the bottom of this one though as a while ago the was some political shenanigans betwixt the UK, IoM, CI and Eire about having to pass through passport control when entering the UK from said countries, and thus the abandonment of the Common Travel Area. The then IoM Chief Minister negotiated and eventually assured us Manxies that we would not need to show our passports to enter the UK. So either the IoM Airport people, the IoM cops, Special Branch or IOM Immigration are now insisting on the opposite, or, I suspect, the handling agents are programmed to apply the same ID requirement regardless of airline. If the former I'm going to raise it with the politicos. If the later I'm hoping that someone from Menzies will confirm it's a SNAFU and sort it without any embarrassment to their staff.
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The new LCY schedule looks like a gap in the BA schedule that needed filling, its basically a filler and I feel has only come about after a lot of lobbying from the IOM Government. As always the Island is being forced to take the crumbs because of its disjointed Open skies policy.
Anyone know how the LATs are doing?
Anyone know how the LATs are doing?
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Quote: "I too am familiar with the revenue protection approach by LoCos, and I can actually understand (but not necessarily agree to) their desire to prevent cheap bookings being sold on or given away. Hence their enthusiasm to correlate ID with the boarding pass. BA and good old BD don't do this.
I also recognise the need to present a passport when travelling out of the UK; airlines understandably do not want to pick up the cost of repatriating those not eligible to enter the destination country, or incur fines and so on for transporting said undesirables."
Yes, that's been the case for a long time and perfectly reasonable. Think it's a £2000 fine(?) on top of repatriation costs, plus a load of aggravation trying to recoup the expense from the pax.
Was specifically referring to domestic (and by implication, common travel area) travel, where it's a much more recent activity.
"Good old" BD is much missed, certainly on my part!
I also recognise the need to present a passport when travelling out of the UK; airlines understandably do not want to pick up the cost of repatriating those not eligible to enter the destination country, or incur fines and so on for transporting said undesirables."
Yes, that's been the case for a long time and perfectly reasonable. Think it's a £2000 fine(?) on top of repatriation costs, plus a load of aggravation trying to recoup the expense from the pax.
Was specifically referring to domestic (and by implication, common travel area) travel, where it's a much more recent activity.
"Good old" BD is much missed, certainly on my part!
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and 3 other top directors demoted. The top 2 are now both EasyJet guys
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Not good for the Isle of Man though. The new boss wants to cut back on thin routes. IOM with the current situation cannot be far off the hit list. No BA London city, no more easy flights, last man out.....
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It will be interesting to see how things evolve. Reducing the board in size, and reducing the number of exec directors is a good idea. I suspect the next plan will be a dramatic downsizing of the business back to core regional routes and away from the European expansion that was embarked upon by the previous management. Flybe needs to find a niche and stop trying to to compete with the big boys.
The fact that former EZY guys are involved is just a coincidence, there are a lot of ex EZY guys out there, and they are ex. for a reason.
The fact that former EZY guys are involved is just a coincidence, there are a lot of ex EZY guys out there, and they are ex. for a reason.