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A slight over reaction?
From Manx Radio:
Well done to the crew, but that is what they are trained to deal with. As one who spent many happy hours flying and landing (or more often going around) a twin around on one engine either learning or revalidating a rating could someone explain why the level of response needs to be so high?
After all the schools are on holiday, the playing fields are empty. All right there was a strong crosswind, but closing roads? Is that really necessary?
Happy to hear someone explain why.
There was a major turnout of emergency services at Ronaldsway Airport this evening (Friday), after a flight from Birmingham radioed ahead to say one of its engines had failed.
It was what's known as 'a positioning flight', so there were no passengers onboard, but because of the nature of the incident fire, police and ambulance crews were scrambled, and roads around the airport were closed.
The pilots landed the aircraft safely at around 7.25pm, and the roads reopened shortly afterwards.
It was what's known as 'a positioning flight', so there were no passengers onboard, but because of the nature of the incident fire, police and ambulance crews were scrambled, and roads around the airport were closed.
The pilots landed the aircraft safely at around 7.25pm, and the roads reopened shortly afterwards.
After all the schools are on holiday, the playing fields are empty. All right there was a strong crosswind, but closing roads? Is that really necessary?
Happy to hear someone explain why.
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Dealing with flight availability almost daily, I can absolutely 100% confirm that BE do not intentionally overbook flights. There are, and more frequently at the moment with the E175 delays, times where an aircraft downgrade is required and therefore passengers may have to be put on other flights but this was not an intentional overbooking from day 1. This is the big difference between BE and other larger carriers.
No good anyone saying otherwise, the above is fact.
No good anyone saying otherwise, the above is fact.
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HAC It's the system, fella. You can't beat the system. The crew would have to say something about their preicament to the tower and it's them that call out uncle Tom Cobbly and All. The system is called rear-end covering.
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Overbooking
Having worked in airline revenue management let me throw in my two penny worth. Overbooking is a necessary evil. Passengers do noshow. It is a fact. I recall it was not uncommon on some services for more than 25% of passengers to noshow which could mean 100+ empty seats. By overbooking, you can actually improve customer service by allowing somebody to travel at the time they want to travel and not on the next flight that appears to have availability. For sure you do not want to deny boarding to anybody, hence judious use of noshow data to predict by flight by day of week, by time of year to predict the likely noshow factor and then you would subtract a margin. It was amazing how easy it was to predict noshows using the data sensibly. Paris on a Friday evening was often overbooked by 30% and still cleared. Nice at the same time might be 10% overbooked. Not only did we cut the denied boarding rate by using the data for the first time by increasing some overbooking profiles but reducing others, the extra revenue from overbooking actually equated to the airline's profit at the time. However, having said this if you are an airline operating on monopoly domestic routes with lots of leisure traffic then you might decide not to overbook. It was also at the time when booking a return was cheaper than a single - remember those days? Never forget, overbooking is in the customer interest as many, many more passengers can be carried than are denied boarding and it helps keep fares down as the cost of an empty seat is huge. We missed a trick all those years ago as we could have promoted it as the airline's first green policy!
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Re a slight over reaction
Not sure i totally agree with Tinwalds reply..ie: rear end covering. The level of emergency response and preparedness is pre arranged through an Emergency Planning Group and regulated/audited by the CAA at a licensed aerodrome. The level of response is referred to as PDA (pre determined attendance) and necessarily guarantees a minimum level of response to a range of incidents, on and off airport. More about good planning than 'rear end covering' methinks !...
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it would make sense now EZY is getting much bigger loads than BE. Lots of BE flights to LPL have only 20 or 30 pax and half of them are DHSS. MAN has been doing much better and its a BE hub which LPL isnt.
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That would be an interesting decision and the figures tell an interesting story but of course without yield.
Flybe flew only 2000 less passengers to LPL as MAN in July - 8000 LPL and 10,000 MAN. LPL up +20% and MAN down -1.5%.
Here is what the airport said:-
The Liverpool route, with Flybe and easyJet operating up to 6 flights a day, led the way with a 20% increase in traffic, generating 2,560 more passengers than in July 2010. With only slight decreases on the Manchester and Blackpool routes, north-west traffic in total was up by almost 2140 passengers
Flybe flew only 2000 less passengers to LPL as MAN in July - 8000 LPL and 10,000 MAN. LPL up +20% and MAN down -1.5%.
Here is what the airport said:-
The Liverpool route, with Flybe and easyJet operating up to 6 flights a day, led the way with a 20% increase in traffic, generating 2,560 more passengers than in July 2010. With only slight decreases on the Manchester and Blackpool routes, north-west traffic in total was up by almost 2140 passengers
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I couldnt tell you about pricing but I see BE load up and most flights now are well less than half full. EZY started with loads of 20 s and 30s a year ago but now they often get well more than 100. Before it was EZY flying lots of empty seats to LPL but these days its BE flying the empty seats. Everyone knows theres to much capacity on IOMLPL its just a case of who bottles it first.
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Well, looking at the July pax figures, BE are still the dominant operator on the route with 58% market share so it would be strange for them to pull out.
Load factors (July) coincidentally are 46% for both operators. BE's accounts show that across their network average LF is 63%, so a good bit lower than that, but EZY generally looking for 85%, so well adrift of where they want to be.
I don't think anyone here knows what the yields are, but simply checking out a few random forward dates suggests that BE are selling many more tickets in the higher price brackets than EZY, so must be generating more revenue per seat mile.
I treat this notion that BE will pull out with a big pinch of salt. If they left it to EZY, the uplift in seats EZY would need to offer to service LPL could well result in pax being drawn away from MAN too. That would be a big risk for BE to take.
More likely scenario is for BE to trim capacity off-peak and tough it out until EZY get bored or find something better to do with their aircraft..........but you never know!
Load factors (July) coincidentally are 46% for both operators. BE's accounts show that across their network average LF is 63%, so a good bit lower than that, but EZY generally looking for 85%, so well adrift of where they want to be.
I don't think anyone here knows what the yields are, but simply checking out a few random forward dates suggests that BE are selling many more tickets in the higher price brackets than EZY, so must be generating more revenue per seat mile.
I treat this notion that BE will pull out with a big pinch of salt. If they left it to EZY, the uplift in seats EZY would need to offer to service LPL could well result in pax being drawn away from MAN too. That would be a big risk for BE to take.
More likely scenario is for BE to trim capacity off-peak and tough it out until EZY get bored or find something better to do with their aircraft..........but you never know!
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I think it will take a lot more for Flybe to pull out all together... we know and they know that McCall is being ruthless on routes so they are likely to stick it out in favour of a base.
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Flybe still retain the 'business' customers because of their flight times, early flight out and late flight back which allows a day return and still a full days work. Easy don't have this.
Flybe also have the contract with the IOM government to fly medical passengers to and from Liverpool, this is guranteed traffic for them.
Very much doubt they would pull out all together, but I can see a trimming of flights, particularly late morning and early afternoon rotations.
Flybe also have the contract with the IOM government to fly medical passengers to and from Liverpool, this is guranteed traffic for them.
Very much doubt they would pull out all together, but I can see a trimming of flights, particularly late morning and early afternoon rotations.
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As Liverpool/IOM is such a very short sector, and given that it can act as nice add on to the work of an aircraft that fits into longer routes (between them for eg) doesnt need to be hitting 85% loads. Fuel burn will be alot lighter than most routes also.
Lets hope EZY stick it out, I feel that EZY decided on IOM LPL partially in response to BE decision to do a base at LGW. I cant see EZY budging.
BE also can operate with lower loads and still make a viable operation.
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Lets hope EZY stick it out, I feel that EZY decided on IOM LPL partially in response to BE decision to do a base at LGW. I cant see EZY budging.
BE also can operate with lower loads and still make a viable operation.
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LPL IOM
Easy dont want LPL IOM as a major route its 2 short and IF BE pulled out they would not have the capacity to take over the route with say 3 flights a Day
EZY are a pimple on BE s Bum I E Slightly irratable and would be better without it howver if it persists they will live with it until it finally goes away
I suspect the EZY pax are ex The Steam Packet and NOT BE and EZY will eventually drop the route there bigger challenge will be MAN-BFS?BHD which I think will become a bigger fight as EZY will have a bit more flexibilty with the Man A/C to operate more flights than LPL IOM.
I suspect EZY on Belfast will grow from a pimple to a Boil i.e Needs more attention
W await with bated breath the only winners in the short term will be the passengers who will enjoy the Gunfight at The Belfast Coral with lower fares
Regards to all All comments welcome
Only time will tell
EZY are a pimple on BE s Bum I E Slightly irratable and would be better without it howver if it persists they will live with it until it finally goes away
I suspect the EZY pax are ex The Steam Packet and NOT BE and EZY will eventually drop the route there bigger challenge will be MAN-BFS?BHD which I think will become a bigger fight as EZY will have a bit more flexibilty with the Man A/C to operate more flights than LPL IOM.
I suspect EZY on Belfast will grow from a pimple to a Boil i.e Needs more attention
W await with bated breath the only winners in the short term will be the passengers who will enjoy the Gunfight at The Belfast Coral with lower fares
Regards to all All comments welcome
Only time will tell
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MAN-BFS?BHD which I think will become a bigger fight as EZY will have a bit more flexibilty with the Man A/C to operate more flights than LPL IOM.
I suspect EZY on Belfast will grow from a pimple to a Boil i.e Needs more attention
I suspect EZY on Belfast will grow from a pimple to a Boil i.e Needs more attention
learjet50, already bmibaby are axing BHD MAN which shows that the route was not profitable and they went in to BEs patch and got stung. The excuse that the MAN base is closing is a bit lacking given that aircraft will be based at BHD. So make way for EZY in the immediate term not much will change as EZY will just be a replacement for WW.
EZY tend to take carefully plotted steps so cant see them increasing frequency until the x2 daily rotations are a success, would be great to see BHX coming too!
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