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the June increase must be some of those who didn't come out in may coming in June. Practice week this year was only practice 3 days so everyone came out later for TT
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There was one extra day of the 'TT period' in June this year. The Saturday when many people exit the Island and things get back to normal fell on the 11th, whereas last year it was the 10th. Therefore, you can't sensibly explain the overall rise in numbers away by talking about the TT dates.
This was, apparently the best June since 2007, so seems to me it is the first genuinely good bit of news for quite a while, but one swallow doesn't.......etc.
Interesting too, that while EZY are building the numbers on LPL, MAN actually went up 12%, reversing a long standing trend of abstraction from that route.
LCY down by 1000+, just goes to show that, if you run tatty old aircraft, disrupt the schedule and charge sky high fares, you can only fool the people for so long.
This was, apparently the best June since 2007, so seems to me it is the first genuinely good bit of news for quite a while, but one swallow doesn't.......etc.
Interesting too, that while EZY are building the numbers on LPL, MAN actually went up 12%, reversing a long standing trend of abstraction from that route.
LCY down by 1000+, just goes to show that, if you run tatty old aircraft, disrupt the schedule and charge sky high fares, you can only fool the people for so long.
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Tony Q - tatty old aircraft etc
Last year I did 17 sectors with RE. This year so far none. Why? Not tatty aircraft, but a real concern that the service would actually operate. Pity, as they have some splendid people.
Last year 27 sectors with BE. This year (so far) 24.
I used to use RE whenever I had hold baggage 'cos it was included and I can get a cab from LCY to where I want to be. BE want to charge me for my bag out and back when I want it one way so I now don't bother. Baggage to LGW is a pain, especially as the current Gatwick Express trains are the old ones with tiny baggage space at each carriage end, and the City Thameslink trains which I usually use are no better.
So my SpCo bookings for me and my car are more frequent as I can carry as much as I want!
[My simplistic raison d'etre as to how the IoM pax numbers are moving]
Shame RE loads are falling. But not really surprising. Come on BA Cityflyer - there's a great opportunity here!
Last year I did 17 sectors with RE. This year so far none. Why? Not tatty aircraft, but a real concern that the service would actually operate. Pity, as they have some splendid people.
Last year 27 sectors with BE. This year (so far) 24.
I used to use RE whenever I had hold baggage 'cos it was included and I can get a cab from LCY to where I want to be. BE want to charge me for my bag out and back when I want it one way so I now don't bother. Baggage to LGW is a pain, especially as the current Gatwick Express trains are the old ones with tiny baggage space at each carriage end, and the City Thameslink trains which I usually use are no better.
So my SpCo bookings for me and my car are more frequent as I can carry as much as I want!
[My simplistic raison d'etre as to how the IoM pax numbers are moving]
Shame RE loads are falling. But not really surprising. Come on BA Cityflyer - there's a great opportunity here!
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Lady from Peel telling her story to media
Manx Radio: Manx Radio - Scare in the Air ::
Aviation Herald:Incident: Jet2 B738 at Ibiza on Jul 21st 2011, engine shut down in flight
Manx Radio: Manx Radio - Scare in the Air ::
Aviation Herald:Incident: Jet2 B738 at Ibiza on Jul 21st 2011, engine shut down in flight
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thanks for the link HAC. Looks to me like Reynoldsway passenger numbers in July are down on last year again after the uptik in June. Anyone know how long we ve got the 328 back for on LCY? this isnt helping the numbers.
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Does RE really care about anything these days. The company seems to be run by a load of muppets.
I was on a DUB to IOM on an aircraft so disgusting i wouldnt let a dog travel on.
The only nice thing was the crew, i felt awful for the crap they were experiencing of pax.
I was on a DUB to IOM on an aircraft so disgusting i wouldnt let a dog travel on.
The only nice thing was the crew, i felt awful for the crap they were experiencing of pax.
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I was at Ronaldsway on Monday and saw two people get kicked from the London City flight because the aircraft had been down sized from that originally planned (presume that was the 328 replacing the ATR).
In fairness to Aer Arran, both pax turned up dead on check in closing time and I think one may have been after the time, but still it doesn't make them look good when there are more people booked on the flight than the aircraft can carry!
In fairness to Aer Arran, both pax turned up dead on check in closing time and I think one may have been after the time, but still it doesn't make them look good when there are more people booked on the flight than the aircraft can carry!
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In fairness to Aer Arran, both pax turned up dead on check in closing time and I think one may have been after the time, but still it doesn't make them look good when there are more people booked on the flight than the aircraft can carry!
Passengers affected can get quite a sweet deal if taken off of the flight/volunteer.
I'm not sure how it works with LCCs or regional airlines though...
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A lot of the world's leading airlines do this, BA being one of the worst/best at it. They play on the law of averages in regards to no-shows and overbook accordingly to maximise revenues.
Passengers affected can get quite a sweet deal if taken off of the flight/volunteer.
I'm not sure how it works with LCCs or regional airlines though...
Passengers affected can get quite a sweet deal if taken off of the flight/volunteer.
I'm not sure how it works with LCCs or regional airlines though...
When you've only got 40 seats to play with the law of averages doesn't work as well in your favour as when you've got 400+. Also the flights are more time critical for the passenger than medium/long haul, where the difference of a few hours might not matter.
In any case the reason these pax couldn't board was because the aircraft had been changed for one with fewer seats, at least that's what the check-in staff said.
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Oh I'm well aware of the common practice of over selling a flight, however I didn't think that regional/commuter carriers did it.
When you've only got 40 seats to play with the law of averages doesn't work as well in your favour as when you've got 400+. Also the flights are more time critical for the passenger than medium/long haul, where the difference of a few hours might not matter.
In any case the reason these pax couldn't board was because the aircraft had been changed for one with fewer seats, at least that's what the check-in staff said.
When you've only got 40 seats to play with the law of averages doesn't work as well in your favour as when you've got 400+. Also the flights are more time critical for the passenger than medium/long haul, where the difference of a few hours might not matter.
In any case the reason these pax couldn't board was because the aircraft had been changed for one with fewer seats, at least that's what the check-in staff said.
You're correct, it is a law of averages and it will work in the favour of any airline depending on how many they overbook by. I think I remember being told that it's not uncommon for BA/VS to overbook there by as many as 35 passenger upwards on a 744.
The EU now govern what an airline pays a passenger that's 'bumped' off a flight and its a pretty penny! Before EU rules came in, I was asked if I'd give up my seat on LHR-Dubai. BA offered me a flight in 10hrs time, meals, refreshments, and upgrade to Club on the later flight and either £250 cash or £400 in BA travel vouchers! - The vouchers were more than the cost of my holiday so damn right I'd take a 10hr delay! In the end they had enough 'no-show' passengers that I wasn't needed to come off, but they still gave me a Club seat as a thank you.
I imagine that most airlines with relatively small aircraft (regionals) who overbook, do so by maybe up to 5 passengers but they will have pretty good historical data by which to base their predictions.
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Ryanair have a very simple but effective policy, 189 seats available, 189 bookings taken, NO REFUNDs, as MOL once stated when asked about a refund, what part of no refund did you not understand.
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Sure.... Check out this:
http://www.pprune.org/3995771-post1.html
http://www.pprune.org/3995771-post1.html
As an ex FR employee, I can categorically state that they certainly do overbook! Up to 5% of the capacity, which means that the booked figure can be as high as 200. (based on the 737-800 configured for 189Y)
The staff are told to advise passengers who are denied boarding that either "a row of seats are unserviceable" or "we have to transport deportees" (which I guess is in keeping with the above statement). How do they get away with publishing this trash???
The staff are told to advise passengers who are denied boarding that either "a row of seats are unserviceable" or "we have to transport deportees" (which I guess is in keeping with the above statement). How do they get away with publishing this trash???
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I understand the financials involved in overbooking, but I still think it is an unacceptable practice - I've never been "bumped" off a flight but if I was I would be furious having gone to the effort to pick a particular flight and make plans.
Flybe don't overbook, 78 seats on the aircraft, 78 offered for sale and that's how it should be in my mind.
When you order a new car, you don't turn up to the garage to be told "we don't have, and never did have, the one you actually ordered and paid for, but you can just have this one instead"
Flybe don't overbook, 78 seats on the aircraft, 78 offered for sale and that's how it should be in my mind.
When you order a new car, you don't turn up to the garage to be told "we don't have, and never did have, the one you actually ordered and paid for, but you can just have this one instead"
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JC25 - Learjet has it right i'm afraid - Flybe do overbook, maybe not all flights and maybe not by much.
Perhaps there's a good chance you never hear about it because it's well managed and in most cases, no-one gets bumped.
Perhaps there's a good chance you never hear about it because it's well managed and in most cases, no-one gets bumped.
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