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Old 21st Aug 2010, 00:43
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EI-SLL is another Air Contractors aircraft in the Aer Arann fleet. I believe these are used on the Aer Lingus Regional routes to cover aircraft tech and maintenance etc.

No ATR-42 should be used on the Aer Lingus Regional routes hence the Aer Arann own routes suffering.
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Old 26th Aug 2010, 19:15
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As per the Aer Arann thread, RE has entered examinership (administration) this evening. For the time being, business continues as usual.
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Old 27th Aug 2010, 18:21
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Is IOM AIrport giving Arann tick or are they paying cash now?
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 07:48
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my man in MAN says they are on a cash only basis there with the airport. Shell are doing payment up front only but whats new theyve been bitten before. Seem to remember EuroManx did the same at Reynoldsway two years ago and got the airport lots of bad publicity for not seeing the bad debt coming. Shurely even on Fraggle Rock they wont allow the same to happen again. But then its only taxpayers money out there which isnt the same as if TBI or one of the Vulture Fund boys owned it.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 10:00
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Shurely even on Fraggle Rock they wont allow the same to happen again
Oh but they will! Because the management don't have to account for their actions to anyone, it seems. They've just sent me a letter telling me they are going to raise the cost of my parking there by 50%. Is there any other organisation that rewards its premium customers in this way?

They recently admitted the cost of running Reynoldsway is 20% more than it should be. They should be actively addressing that, and the politicos should be hiving down the operation to a corporate body and benchmarking performance against the industry norm. And management should be managing, not ego tripping. And if they can't manage they should go.

I remain concerned for the Aer Arann crews however. They were wonderful on Thursday night when the LCY flight was cancelled and then reinstated. As indeed were the Cobalt groundstaff, particularly the baggage enquiry girls. The Captain was apologetic and said he was trying to get an explanation. Now we know why, but they handled it very well.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 10:47
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MAN fueling rumour is crap!, Also the delay on the flight on Tursday night out of LCY had nothing to do with finance, it was performance related. They owe money to an Irish bank AIB,the DAA which operate DUB ORK and SNN,IAA and the Irish revenue. AIB have been quoted as saying they will give them a 1 million over draft to get the through examinership. They have been very selective on who they are defaulting on payment with( The Irish goverment). No planes have been blocked in at any airport ot refuelling being denied. Notone flight has been cancelled or delayed because of this even the non profitable ones. Reports say they are expected to get payment for the Irish PSO's for the month to of believe it or not the Irish goverment. It sounds like there will be a cull in jobs, aircraft and PSO routes from my point of view with only the profitable parts remaining. Interesting times ahead,in examinership they will survive at least for 70-100 days after the 8 of Sept. I think after this period they will close and reopen under a different name or a complete takeover will happen.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 11:23
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Also the delay on the flight on Tursday night out of LCY had nothing to do with finance, it was performance related
I'm not sure that's completely right. The inbound landed early. Within a few moments the LCY departures board showed the IOM flight as cancelled, and a new flight RE100P to Dublin appeared. I would find that consistent with the inevitable uncertainty while control of the company passes to the examiner or administrator or whatever the title was which happened around that time. The initial reaction is to get the airframes back to base.

The flight left an hour later with all the original 35 or so pax and baggage on board. The captain didn't mention performance. He didn't have any explanation for the cancellation. We were delayed on the ground for a while, and then departed on 09, not 27 which was the runway in use. I know that 09 is less critical performance wise, but I don't profess to be an expert on ATR42 ops.

I was just grateful to get back home only an hour late, however all we pax got pretty stressed out at the prospect of finding seats on other flights as the herds of motor cycle enthusiasts flocking to the MGP meant most were full.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 13:36
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The Delay had nothing to do with examinership, Arann are still in full control of the company with the eyes of an examiner watching in the background. There are lots of perfomance issues in LCY with the 42's, and i'm guessing as the evening passed on the wind was a factor. Why would Arann fly planes home to Dublin, they are all leased, they are not an asset of Aer Arann. Some 72 500's are owned by an other company called Aer Arann leasing which is a different business altogether.you will have to look up examinership its like chapter 11 in the US which most carriers there are in and have been for years. It means we are not paying some of our bills ontime, and a court has found that we are still viable and need breathing space to sort out some problems. They money that seems to be owed is quiet small in aviation terms.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 17:23
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How small is quite small? How much do they owe Reynoldsway? Seems its €2m to DAA and €4m to the bank for a start. We all like to see banks get shafted, just not us airports and handlers. Irish times reports...

AER ARANN is believed to owe the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) just under €2 million in aeronautical fees relating to its activities at Dublin, Cork and Shannon.

This makes the DAA the second biggest creditor behind AIB, which is owed €3.9 million.

Aer Arann, which is owned by Galway businessman Pádraig Ó Céidigh, entered interim examinership late on Thursday as it tries to restructure the business and to secure additional investment. The airline has accumulated losses of €18 million since the start of 2008.

A full hearing has been been pencilled in for September 8th.

Informed sources told The Irish Times the airline’s decision to enter examinership was related to pending cashflow difficulties now that the busy summer booking season has ended, rather that pressure from a particular creditor.
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Old 1st Sep 2010, 11:53
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Passenger stats

The whole of August has passed without the publication of the July passenger statistics. I cannot recall a delay that long, ever. Does this mean the numbers are so embarressing that the spin doctor can't find the right politically acceptable words to go with them?
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Old 1st Sep 2010, 12:04
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Passenger figures "disappointing" - Energy FM | Isle of Man
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Old 1st Sep 2010, 12:08
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Just found that report, thanks. So out to the media then before being placed on the govt website.

1300 drop is not a lot; but that's from a much reduced base. And based on what I'm seeing and hearing in the business community, recovery is a while away.
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Old 1st Sep 2010, 12:41
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The great Airport Director herself is on the radio today urging the Manx public to continue to use Aer Arann.......not sure that's quite what she should be doing as a government employee as she is going to look more stupid than usual IF Aer Arann goes to the wall eventually and people lose money........
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Old 1st Sep 2010, 17:10
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This was the same person who, in 2008, was giving out similar messages about Euromanx until a few days before they went bust.

It later transpired that IOM Government had been aware for many months that Euromanx were on the brink of complete collapse, and that they were only able to continue to trade, because the Government took a sympathetic attitude to money owed for various charges and taxes etc.

End game was that the Manx Tax payer took a hit of c£600k on airport charges alone.

Everyone should make their own judgement on whether buying Aer Arann tickets is an acceptable financial risk, but I'd suggest the AD is not the best person to be taking advice from!

PS - Is it just me, or does she come across as arrogant and condescending in these regular radio interviews...........
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Old 1st Sep 2010, 17:50
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spot on TonyQ.

Also what's happened with the much trumpeted arrival of Easy Jet? JULY PAX NUMBERS DOWN . Every route here is suffering with a lower number of pax spread over a bigger number of flights. Its not maintainable- somethings gotta give.
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Old 1st Sep 2010, 18:28
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BE isnt the cheapest operator in the world, despite being a member of ELFAA, and the high taxes dont help
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 12:43
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Tonyq she isn't arrogant.... just better than everyone.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 16:33
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well she ll have a lotta eggy on face if she promotes fly Arann and the examiner sells the business without paying outstanding landing fees
Even more eggy if he doesnt sell it at all and sends the 42s back to the lessors
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 16:23
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looks to me from other posts and reading the Irish press that the 72s are oK but the 42s and PSOs are under extreme pressure. Not so good for IOM if this happens. Isnt DUB IOM done with a PSO aircraft?
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Old 7th Sep 2010, 06:53
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DUB IOM DUB is usually done with a GWY based aircraft but it does vary. LCY is IOM based.
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