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London City slots cannot be sold so when the Euros stop using them they reverted to the airport to allocate as they saw fit.
FlyBe gave up the BHD-IOM-LCY route as Euros applied for the slots - with a RJ70.......
FlyBe gave up the BHD-IOM-LCY route as Euros applied for the slots - with a RJ70.......
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To be more accurate, Flybe gave up the LCY operating when the Q400s replaced the BHD based little dash. Then Euromanx effectively leased the slots from Flybe for a while but that stopped and the slots reverted to EMX sometime last year (I think, but can't be certain).
Thus the value of EMX was the value of the slots, plus the freehold of the building they were in and their debts were far in excess of that value, hence no buyout.
Thus the value of EMX was the value of the slots, plus the freehold of the building they were in and their debts were far in excess of that value, hence no buyout.
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The ATR72 is not certified for LCY, so Aer Arann is not a real option.
If 70 seats is really the threshold it would need to be a Q400 or BAe 146/Avro RJ operator - or an existing operator willing to use slots it already holds for an operation with a smaller aircraft (e.g. VLM or Cityjet by Scot when AF/KL cut back on the AMS route once the VG/WX merger is approved)
If 70 seats is really the threshold it would need to be a Q400 or BAe 146/Avro RJ operator - or an existing operator willing to use slots it already holds for an operation with a smaller aircraft (e.g. VLM or Cityjet by Scot when AF/KL cut back on the AMS route once the VG/WX merger is approved)
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Flybe have definately ruled this one out I am afraid - Loganair have expressed interest but I think the 30-40 seat a/c does not match up with the desired a/c size of IOM Gov't
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EMX used their 37 seat 200 series on LCY towards the end so a 33 seat Saab wouldn't be a big loss of capacity. It could easily provide 4000 seats per month which would be enough to meet historical demand.
From what has been reported locally, the IOM Govt. would jump at a Loganair option - more likely the problem is at LCY around slots for smaller a/c.
Also, would FlyBe be happy with Loganair flying the FlyBE brand to LCY in direct competition with their own IOM-LGW flights, which is where most business traffic must be now.
Maybe if the IOM Govt want to enhance the London travel experience for business people, they could try to persuade FlyBe to upgrade LGW to the EMB-195?
That said, having 3 identical Q400's based at Ronaldsway seems to give FlyBe more day to day operational flexibility than any of their recent predecessors enjoyed, and they might be reluctant to lose that, regardless of the capacity and image benefits a 195 would bring.
From what has been reported locally, the IOM Govt. would jump at a Loganair option - more likely the problem is at LCY around slots for smaller a/c.
Also, would FlyBe be happy with Loganair flying the FlyBE brand to LCY in direct competition with their own IOM-LGW flights, which is where most business traffic must be now.
Maybe if the IOM Govt want to enhance the London travel experience for business people, they could try to persuade FlyBe to upgrade LGW to the EMB-195?
That said, having 3 identical Q400's based at Ronaldsway seems to give FlyBe more day to day operational flexibility than any of their recent predecessors enjoyed, and they might be reluctant to lose that, regardless of the capacity and image benefits a 195 would bring.
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FlyBE will not operate Q400s into London City - despite all the rumours. It would involve a steep approach and a Flap 35 landing. It would certainly be tailstrike territory, and has hence been ruled out.
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I am not so sure that is the reason - LUX use the Q400 at LCY.....it is more a Flybe decision rather than a/c restraints. I doubt Flybe would use the E195 to LGW as there is not sufficient demand on the route - that is to say not consistently high anyways. They could possibly use the E195 on the busier IOM-LGW service on a W Pattern through LGW but I doubt this will materialise.
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Blue Islands reduced frequency & Capacity
Well Blue Islands have finally released their winter timetable!
One flight M-F back to the 19 seat Jetstream 32 serving Jersey & Guernsey in some sort of triangle again, flashback to 2 1/5 years ago when they started the route! but timings are worse!
They aren't even an Leisure airline so will this increase for summer?!
One flight M-F back to the 19 seat Jetstream 32 serving Jersey & Guernsey in some sort of triangle again, flashback to 2 1/5 years ago when they started the route! but timings are worse!
They aren't even an Leisure airline so will this increase for summer?!
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"From what has been reported locally, the IOM Govt. would jump at a Loganair option - more likely the problem is at LCY around slots for smaller a/c."
A slot is a slot, whatever LCY want. Flybe are now in bed with Loganair.......
A slot is a slot, whatever LCY want. Flybe are now in bed with Loganair.......
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"A slot is a slot, whatever LCY want. Flybe are now in bed with Loganair......."
Sorry, I for one, don't understand the point you are making?
Are you suggesting that FlyBe control these slots? If so, that idea was scotched earlier in this thread. The slots are said to be controlled by LCY who decide who they are allocated to.
Sorry, I for one, don't understand the point you are making?
Are you suggesting that FlyBe control these slots? If so, that idea was scotched earlier in this thread. The slots are said to be controlled by LCY who decide who they are allocated to.
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One flight M-F back to the 19 seat Jetstream 32 serving Jersey & Guernsey in some sort of triangle again, flashback to 2 1/5 years ago when they started the route! but timings are worse!
But then again I took the family (as did many others on the IoM) to JER for a holiday this year. And last year. And the year before that. This year I paid the same rate as the business guys - around GBP280 round trip per person. Not far off what I have paid before for BA or BE through LGW with an horrendous 5 hour wait. Why on earth can't BI offer a leasure fare and promote the route enthusiastically in the IoM? I think there would be many takers.
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a café with a good view of the activity
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Thanks for the Manx Flyers recommendation, but I won't have much time so would prefer to remain within the terminal. I won't be requiring lunch, so I'll stick to coffee. :-)
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I once had a coffee from IOM Airport restaurant. Week later failed my medical
but don't let me put you off. Rumour is that one pax even ate the reheated curry thats always on display and lived to tell the tale
but don't let me put you off. Rumour is that one pax even ate the reheated curry thats always on display and lived to tell the tale