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Haven't heard that one around for a while. Last time was when they did the survey and it came second in the results.
Would give EMX a bit of competition if it happens. If they do want to do it, u could see another deal happen, like with EMX and RE, where RE come off the route, and EMX use their a/c. Deal for Manx2 could be if they stay off LPL, EMX could come off the BHD for example, just a thought
Would give EMX a bit of competition if it happens. If they do want to do it, u could see another deal happen, like with EMX and RE, where RE come off the route, and EMX use their a/c. Deal for Manx2 could be if they stay off LPL, EMX could come off the BHD for example, just a thought
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LPL
Bit of competitiun on LPL woulnt' hurt
Last time I wanted to come over at short notice BLK was full and LPL was over £100
. Just cheked the Euro website and its over £100 for a Saturday day return
. Sorry boys, Im stayin in the bar here 2morrow
Last time I wanted to come over at short notice BLK was full and LPL was over £100 . Just cheked the Euro website and its over £100 for a Saturday day return . Sorry boys, Im stayin in the bar here 2morrow
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Lets all hope Manx2 start on LPL, they seem to be offering very low prices on Belfast City and the loads seem to be nearly full the last few times i've gone over.
Fingers crossed for a proper low cost a/l over to lpl!
Fingers crossed for a proper low cost a/l over to lpl!
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Don't kid yourself that Manx2 are a low cost airline - with only 19 seats to play with, it takes a lot of low fares to pay the trip costs of even a Liverpool Isle of Man flight. The extortionate £10 per departing passenger government tax doesn't apply to 19 seaters so they have a £20 return price advantage straight off, but don't expect every seat at £30 or whatever -the sums just don't add up.
Another operator on Liverpool would, once again, destabilise the market, just when it seemed to be getting some sense of normality, if you can ever use that phrase when talking about the Rock's aviation policy. Liverpool does not need a 19 seater jumping the puddle to undermine Euromanx, it needs stability and volume. I suspect Euromanx would drop their trousers on price just to see Manx2 off, plus add a few more daily flights. So best case, Manx2 win, Euromanx drop out, then what - Arran would simply keep their ATR on the rock and restart the route themselves, or another 60/70 seat carrier would be in like a rat up a drainpipe. . . ho hum, haven't we been there before . . .
Another operator on Liverpool would, once again, destabilise the market, just when it seemed to be getting some sense of normality, if you can ever use that phrase when talking about the Rock's aviation policy. Liverpool does not need a 19 seater jumping the puddle to undermine Euromanx, it needs stability and volume. I suspect Euromanx would drop their trousers on price just to see Manx2 off, plus add a few more daily flights. So best case, Manx2 win, Euromanx drop out, then what - Arran would simply keep their ATR on the rock and restart the route themselves, or another 60/70 seat carrier would be in like a rat up a drainpipe. . . ho hum, haven't we been there before . . .
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Well put, JDB1052. I sometimes suspect that some of these manx2 posters are being paid to talk up that airline. Let's face the facts (and I'm not defending Euromanx here, because from what I hear from the Rock, they are starting to get a little too greedy on some of their fare pricing) manx2 are nothing more than a ticketing agency. Now, I use that emotive term purely because it was that charge that was used again and again against the credibility of the foundling Euromanx before the Seymours became involved. What was then an unusal arrangement (to the Manx) of wet leasing 'strange' aircraft (Beech 1900s) and non UK crews is now seen as normal so the manx2 arrangment now goes by with hardly a whimper. Quite rightly so, but don't forget that manx2's committment to the Island is not exactly massive despite what its very glossy PR machine might like to suggest. It has found a niche market and provides a better service (to and from Blackpool) than was previously provided. But in the turmoil of Manx aviation they are bit players at present and will need a lot more finance to expand as some of their 'supporters' would like to see.
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Totally agree with what you are both saying, but LPL is the busiest route from the Island. Why can MAN have 2 operators and not LPL?
Man2 have proved that decent fares and high frequencies are what they need. Operating 8 return flights per day would suit the business community better than twice daily on a larger aircraft. Better frequencies attract more passengers. They are not for getting on a plane for a nice meal and relaxation. They have to get from A to B to do their job.
Yes, Manx2 would need more capital injection, but I think they have the right idea of frequency over volume.
Don't understand why LPL can't have a 2nd airline, like MAN, BHD and LCY? Manx2 are taking it to Euromanx!
If Euromanx were to set up shop in LPL, then I don't suspect Manx2 would be interested.
Man2 have proved that decent fares and high frequencies are what they need. Operating 8 return flights per day would suit the business community better than twice daily on a larger aircraft. Better frequencies attract more passengers. They are not for getting on a plane for a nice meal and relaxation. They have to get from A to B to do their job.
Yes, Manx2 would need more capital injection, but I think they have the right idea of frequency over volume.
Don't understand why LPL can't have a 2nd airline, like MAN, BHD and LCY? Manx2 are taking it to Euromanx!
If Euromanx were to set up shop in LPL, then I don't suspect Manx2 would be interested.
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The only reason Man has two operaters is that BA offer a transfer system between flights, where as Euromanx don't. I.E. you can buy a ticket with BA and SA or VS and book your bags through, with Lpl being a lowcost airport the transfer system is not used.
Once BA connect go, not to sure if there will be 2 operaters into Man anymore because EMX and BE seem to be very close atm....
Once BA connect go, not to sure if there will be 2 operaters into Man anymore because EMX and BE seem to be very close atm....
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Fellas - the word in the snug is that wether or not this BACON takeover comes off or not they are history and thers bound to be people who won't be tied to them now there gone so will use any airline and that the Redtails haven't got the seats to take any overspill. Still no news from my mates down the hangar so it looks as if those poor devils are on a one way trip to the job center and manx regional must be pretty shaky too if Bretts mob have got the contract which Im assured is true.
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You have to hope there will be competition to Manchester.
Having checked weekends in August a couple of days ago and in every case EMX were more expensive that BACON, sometimes massively so.
Of course this may be due to not many booking with BACON as no one seems to know what the
is happening yet.
Having checked weekends in August a couple of days ago and in every case EMX were more expensive that BACON, sometimes massively so.
Of course this may be due to not many booking with BACON as no one seems to know what the
is happening yet.
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Looks like BE are to be upsetting EMX and EZE!
BE announce the continuation of the ex BACON route to MAN, which I am sure will not go down well with EMX!
They have also announced a new route to SOU, which will be working in direct competition with EZE, all but a fraction of the latter's price.
LGW will also be continued from IOM from the BACON route.
Don't know what aircraft will be operating these routes, my guess Q400s. Could this mean based BE a/c?
Also, don't know any of the schedules yet.
Good news for IOM!!
BE announce the continuation of the ex BACON route to MAN, which I am sure will not go down well with EMX!
They have also announced a new route to SOU, which will be working in direct competition with EZE, all but a fraction of the latter's price.
LGW will also be continued from IOM from the BACON route.
Don't know what aircraft will be operating these routes, my guess Q400s. Could this mean based BE a/c?
Also, don't know any of the schedules yet.
Good news for IOM!!
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LGW will remain at 4 flights mon-fri on a IOM based 146-300 i believe, if not, it will be the currently based 146-100 with i think 3 on saturday and sunday.
MAN will be taken down from 5 to 4 flights mon-fri, losing the lunchtime service, again with slightly different frequencies of a weekend. This will be operated on an IOM based EMB145.
With SOU, not sure but it might well be 2 flights a day i think, with a SOU based Q400 or EMB145
MAN will be taken down from 5 to 4 flights mon-fri, losing the lunchtime service, again with slightly different frequencies of a weekend. This will be operated on an IOM based EMB145.
With SOU, not sure but it might well be 2 flights a day i think, with a SOU based Q400 or EMB145
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Interesting. Not sure about the 145 on Manchester though, I think the 400 would make more sense then a Jet operation. The question of the handling contact is a big one, if its goes to Flight Support (which I suspect it has) then it must be the end for Manx Regional who I understand are making nothing on the Lets. Emx have other fish to fry and will probably suprise everyone with there next development.