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Old 8th Feb 2017, 10:17
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Originally Posted by IOMX View Post
The best way of ensuring the service is maintained is for people to use it. The more people talk about and promote the service the better in my view. A lot of travellers to London only ever think of Gatwick as a route in and don't understand that the end to end travel time for those going into central London is significantly longer and more expensive around 40 return compared to 6 on the DLR. I can generally do IOM to central London in 3 hours on BA via LCY but it takes 4 hours going via LGW and EZY. Also the times of the BA are much better.
If I want to go to London, one month from today, (to chose a future date at random) I can get to LGW for under 30, and get to any central London station, using my Oyster or contactless card for another 10. BA to LCY is 111.

Scale that up by my party size, and BA/LCY is simply too expensive for many people to even consider.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 10:56
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Tonyq,
Your commentary makes sense, but I'd suggest BA are after the business customer at a higher yield, so the compsrison you suggest is right for the leisure side...

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Old 8th Feb 2017, 15:13
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I agree if you leave booking the flight to a month out then you run the risk of the BA flight being more expensive. However if you book further out there is often very little in it. In fact I looked at a travel date of 28th April and the cheapest EZY flight off the island was 94 with BA being 97! You are also quite correct in saying that you can use an Oyster card on LGW to London but not on the Gatwick express so that will mean a very long and extended journey as the train will stop at a lot of stations. So if you want to get back to London at 1am in the morning as the EZY flight has been inevitably delayed and then sat on the slow train then that's fine.
My point is please check these things out as BA is not always the expensive option people think. And please everyone who reads this encourage as many people you know to do so and understand the full implications of the end to end journey travel time.
also a ticket price of 60 which is what BA can be if booked in advance is hardly expensive for an hours flight take a look at the cost of a train journey from London to the North West!
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 07:36
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
Tonyq,
Your commentary makes sense, but I'd suggest BA are after the business customer at a higher yield, so the compsrison you suggest is right for the leisure side...

EI-BUD
Absolutely right. The problem is, most passengers, encouraged by certain airlines, and airports as well (it's all about passenger numbers and footfall, after all), think that a "good deal" is the absolute lowest fare without taking into consideration the other aspects of travel.
Unfortunately, the result seems to be ever-decreasing business travel possibilities, especially from regional airports. Certainly the IOM has borne the brunt of that in roller-coaster fashion over the years.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 07:53
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Good news LTN to IOM three weekly from late March. Times not great for the business traveller but nevertheless I sure welcomed by many islanders
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 12:23
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Originally Posted by IOMX View Post
I agree if you leave booking the flight to a month out then you run the risk of the BA flight being more expensive. However if you book further out there is often very little in it. In fact I looked at a travel date of 28th April and the cheapest EZY flight off the island was 94 with BA being 97! You are also quite correct in saying that you can use an Oyster card on LGW to London but not on the Gatwick express so that will mean a very long and extended journey as the train will stop at a lot of stations. So if you want to get back to London at 1am in the morning as the EZY flight has been inevitably delayed and then sat on the slow train then that's fine.
My point is please check these things out as BA is not always the expensive option people think. And please everyone who reads this encourage as many people you know to do so and understand the full implications of the end to end journey travel time.
also a ticket price of 60 which is what BA can be if booked in advance is hardly expensive for an hours flight take a look at the cost of a train journey from London to the North West!
The Gatwick Express takes just 5 mins off the fastest Southern/First Capital Connect train between Gatwick and central London. And is double the price. Common misconception. Fastest Southern trains stop at East Croydon and Clapham Junction only.

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Old 16th Feb 2017, 19:25
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Good news LTN to IOM three weekly from late March. Times not great for the business traveller but nevertheless I sure welcomed by many islanders
Long time overdue since it used to support Arann & BA at the same time before Arann fell apart and BA went to LCY
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 17:45
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
Long time overdue since it used to support Arann & BA at the same time before Arann fell apart and BA went to LCY
I have lived on the island for 35 years and have no recollection of BA or Aer Arran serving Luton from here. Manx and later Flybe did, albeit I don't know that the Flybe service was massively successful. It was part of a IOM-LTN-JER service and from my experience using the service on occasions the leg to JER was more popular than the IOM leg.

Also EasyJet's service drops to only 2 flights per week from beginning of July until late September
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 17:50
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BA Connect had a Luton to IOM flight, it was operated by a 146-200/RJ85?
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 20:19
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Yes, saw one in 2006, BA operated a 146 under the "British" callsign on LTN-IOM so think it was a MAN based BA CitiExpress /BA Connect operation.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 20:35
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Aer Arann did indeed operate an IOM-LTN service. They also dabbled with LPL and MAN from the IOM, in competition with Euromanx: Aer Arrann Launches Twice Daily LTN-IOM Service. - Airliners.net

BA Connect (if I remember rightly), used to operate LGW LTN LGW LGW with the 146, then dropped the LTN and replaced it with another LGW.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...connect-5.html
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 08:48
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IOM - LTN

And if you go back to the start of this thread, in 2006, that was the time when both were operating and was discussed.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 10:34
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Originally Posted by manxforums
citywing belfast has just landed ............



Told to shut down in position by the iom caa !



Fire service at aircraft passengers being bussed to terminal runway closed.



Never heard that .. " from iom caa shut down in position !"

q) egtt/qfalc/iv/nbo/a/000/999/5405n00437w005
b) from: 17/02/23 10:00c) to: 17/02/23 13:00 est

e) aerodrome closed due blocked runway
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 11:59
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With the strength of the winds i suspect it was safer to tow then Taxi.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 12:26
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Originally Posted by Hansol View Post
With the strength of the winds i suspect it was safer to tow then Taxi.
I suspect it was safer not to take off
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 15:42
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CityWing "emergency" Ronaldsway.

So what happened today, media says it took off, returned due gale force winds. Surely they noticed it was windy when they did their pre-flight walk round? Did it get as far as Belfast, couldn't land due wx, so came back? If so, what's the emergency, unless of course, fuel was becoming an issue? Very little info coming out, but they did cancel ALL further CityWing flights for the rest of the day. Regulatory move perhaps?
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 18:43
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Yes OK-LAZ did make it as far as Belfast by 08:28 , held at 6000ft, had a go at approach 08:56 and then promptly returned back to Ronaldsway at 3000ft. There were a couple of other diversions to Aldergrove at the same time due to crazy winds so it didn't seem odd. I didn't have a radio on at the time ( was working ) so didn't hear exactly what happened, but the above is from my Mode-S logs.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 22:02
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23rd February 2017

STATEMENT ON INCIDENT ON THE 23rd OF FEBRUARY AND FLIGHT UPDATES FOR THE 24th OF FEBRUARY

Citywing can confirm that Van Air-operated flight 502 took off from the Isle of Man destined for Belfast on Thursday morning but returned due to deteriorating weather conditions in Northern Ireland.

Citywing have been advised by Van Air that the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has requested to speak with Van Air following the incident. Until such discussions take place, hopefully within the next 24-48 hours, the UK CAA has asked Van Air to stop flying. Unfortunately this means that all Citywing flights will be affected until further notice.

David Buck, Managing Director of Citywing said, “Passenger safety has to be the first priority and all such incidents are rightly investigated as a matter of routine. We are working with the flight operator Van Air and relevant authorities to resolve the situation as soon as possible.

Due to this operational disruption Van Air has chartered in a Stansted based Titan Airways 737 to operate the following flights.

V9514 IOM-BELFAST STD1400 STA1430 to accommodate all Isle of Man to Belfast passengers for the day.

V9515 BELFAST-IOM STD1510 STA1540 to accommodate all Belfast to Isle of Man passengers for the day.

V9814 IOM-NEWCASTLE STD1620 STA1655 to accommodate all Isle of Man to Newcastle, Isle of Man to Glasgow and all Isle of Man to Blackpool passengers. Passengers for Glasgow and Blackpool will be provided with surface transport to their destination.

“We apologise in advance for the disruption this will cause to travel plans. We will do our best to keep passengers informed and would ask for your patience and understanding as we deal with this difficult situation at short notice.”

In the first instance this only affects flights for the 24th of February. Citywing will endeavour to contact all passengers but this may take time so we request your patience and understanding. If you have an urgent question please contact our Reservations on tel no: 0871 200 0440 who will be available between 0900 and 1700.

ENDS

NOTES TO EDITORS:
Citywing Aviation Services Ltd, “Citywing”, is an Isle of Man-based company arranging air services from the Isle of Man to Belfast, Blackpool, Glasgow, Newcastle, Gloucester and Jersey. Citywing and its partners employ 50 staff on the Island and carry in excess of 70,000 passengers per year.

Issued by Citywing.

Martin Norbury
Isle of Man Advertising and Public Relations Limited Tel: (01624) 620440
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 08:06
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As I suspected

So it was the authorities that pulled to plug, thank goodness someone is taking this outfit seriousl, they need regulation if they won't regulate themselves.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 08:38
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I am somewhat surprised that the maximum crosswind for the L410 is just 19.5 knots ( 10 m/s ) but that seems to be an artifact of the narrow gear. The Twotter isn't much better. Not much of a hindrance for out-field operations ( just turn into the wind and land on the dirt... ) but quite restrictive for airport operations.
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