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Was about to have a rant at Easy jet for the info on their website that states IOM -LGW service cancelled due to ice at IOM airport, however I think my rant should be aimed at Ronaldsway.
Interesting that apparently de-icing only available to JS31 or smaller - how have FlyBe and Eastern/BACF managed to fly?
Given the Open Skies debate it also shows the importance of airlines with smaller planes and multiple rotations to key destinations. It certainly seems that FlyBe should be congratulated for their attempts to get passengers on and off the island during the last few days. I certainly know that the evening LGW flights were quite late yesterday and on Friday and the GVA flight was late on Saturday. Well done Flybe.
Interesting that apparently de-icing only available to JS31 or smaller - how have FlyBe and Eastern/BACF managed to fly?
Given the Open Skies debate it also shows the importance of airlines with smaller planes and multiple rotations to key destinations. It certainly seems that FlyBe should be congratulated for their attempts to get passengers on and off the island during the last few days. I certainly know that the evening LGW flights were quite late yesterday and on Friday and the GVA flight was late on Saturday. Well done Flybe.
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Maybe the aircraft size J41 or smaller is due to Citywing having their own 4x4 de-icing rig which was used for the LET & D328 aircraft in previous years. I suppose this could also be used for the J31 of Links Air and any J41.
The airport or any airline could request for the service if they are desperate and willing to pay the Citywing fee.
(This is obviously based on the assumption that the rig got transfered over to Citywing from Manx2.com)
The airport or any airline could request for the service if they are desperate and willing to pay the Citywing fee.
(This is obviously based on the assumption that the rig got transfered over to Citywing from Manx2.com)
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Err, what else are they going to do, they are based on the IOM?. If their aircraft aren't contaminated, then of course they are going to operate. I think EZY were scared of getting an Airbus stuck here today with the potential for snow and no de-icing rig.
Our 'famous' 'Apprentice' contestant, Staurt Baggs, got bumped off the Ezy Gatwick flight today, and allegedly was told by Easyjet (according to his page on facebook) that Ronaldsway was closed because the man who grits the runway is stuck off Island too!. I can see how 'the de-icer isn't going to be there til tomorrow' could be construed as that - just.
Our 'famous' 'Apprentice' contestant, Staurt Baggs, got bumped off the Ezy Gatwick flight today, and allegedly was told by Easyjet (according to his page on facebook) that Ronaldsway was closed because the man who grits the runway is stuck off Island too!. I can see how 'the de-icer isn't going to be there til tomorrow' could be construed as that - just.
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It would appear to me, reading as an outsider from the Isle of Man, that the gist of recent comments is that,although Flybe may not be as glamorous or at times as cheap as certain competition, when it comes to weather conditions recently experienced their dependability is valued. Competition is a good thing but I think it would be less than ideal if they were to leave completely. Four times a day to London (most days) may not be replaced by other carriers as much as some might argue or desire. I am sure most people would agree that there is a place for multiple daily frequencies throughout the day even if the planes may be a little slower and the style not quite so upbeat! Sometimes a dependable old 'friend' can be very useful.
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I think the EZY were cancelled because the previous sectors were running so far behind, remember, france & germany suffered from snow as well.
IOM was just the smallest cog in the days shedules.
IOM was just the smallest cog in the days shedules.
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pabely I think the EZY were cancelled because the previous sectors were running so far behind, remember, france & germany suffered from snow as well.
IOM was just the smallest cog in the days shedules.
IOM was just the smallest cog in the days shedules.
The difference here is the approach from the airlines. BE, Eastern and Citywing understand that the IOM air services are a lifeline. You cannot cancel flights 3 days on the trot, without any good reason, to a destination that utterly relies on air transport.
After 3 days, I have to question Easyjets understanding of the market here and the real reason they are committing to air services on the island.
I'm not saying Flybe are perfect, they are far from it, but I have witnessed first hand, them moving heaven and earth to keep the island flying.
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We're a fickle lot.
For Flybe, see citiexpress, bacon and manx airlines. The major airline at the time is the one everybody loves to hate. But they'll adore you when you're gone.
For Flybe, see citiexpress, bacon and manx airlines. The major airline at the time is the one everybody loves to hate. But they'll adore you when you're gone.
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When is the open skies debate? Very concerned that Easy have cancelled 3 days in a row, blaming the weather on all occasions. All the island based airlines faced with the same circumstances have all managed to fly ? Just hope the government realise that Easy are not committed to the island and the policy needs looking at and amending to reflect the current climate. If Flybe leave the island, which I think they will, it will have far more repercussions to the population movement and business community. If no other airline steps up then I feel businesses will think twice about locating on the island.
Wake up Tynwald!!!! The fat lady has cleared her throat!!!
Wake up Tynwald!!!! The fat lady has cleared her throat!!!
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I think I just stated, problems in Europe, not IOM. Do Flybe's depart IOM do 6/7 sectors across europe and return! If they were based doing 2 way legs then there would not be an issue but that is never going to happen with an Airbus.
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I think I just stated, problems in Europe, not IOM. Do Flybe's depart IOM do 6/7 sectors across europe and return! If they were based doing 2 way legs then there would not be an issue but that is never going to happen with an Airbus.
Flybe aircraft do not dogleg round Europe all day, they will do upto 8 sectors to and from the island, which is as close to a reliable service as you are going to get.
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Pabely, I don't buy that. Out of hundreds of EZY Gatwick departures, only about four services were cancelled over the weekend. IOM services accounted for half of that. EZY are selling seats on that route for peanuts in an attempt to kill off Flybe. It's no wonder it is the easiest (and cheapest) option for them to cancel.
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Fellas All this chat about flybe leaving and the orange mob not having a commitment. Theyre not registered charities, neither of them. The bottom line rules and the Exeter mob will fit the operation to suit the requirment. Theyll keep services to the rock but not neccessarily from this end. The business case for the early departures is a luxury with falling business traffic - just make your meeting for lunchtime. Even if the blues did go, theres 3 business flights into the city and the casual folks can use the afternoon easy. Still nothing to stop the blues running a morning and evening service on Gatwick. Time and the bottom line will tell, yessir.
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Fellas All this chat about flybe leaving and the orange mob not having a commitment. Theyre not registered charities, neither of them. The bottom line rules and the Exeter mob will fit the operation to suit the requirment. Theyll keep services to the rock but not neccessarily from this end. The business case for the early departures is a luxury with falling business traffic - just make your meeting for lunchtime. Even if the blues did go, theres 3 business flights into the city and the casual folks can use the afternoon easy. Still nothing to stop the blues running a morning and evening service on Gatwick. Time and the bottom line will tell, yessir.
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Fellas All this chat about flybe leaving and the orange mob not having a commitment. Theyre not registered charities, neither of them.
If I was a courior service on the IOM delivering to Pokerstars & M&S as well as job blogs, if I'm running late and cannot do all my deliveries, who will miss out???
Aka Easyjet will protect their cash cows to ski, sun and trunk cities at the expense of the IOM route. It's just business I'm afraid.