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April was down and May wasnt much better and after todays weather loads of TT fans are heading 4 home early if they can get a seat
lots of drowned rats and very wet tents
South East route cuts hit passenger figures - Isle of Man Public Services -
lots of drowned rats and very wet tentsSouth East route cuts hit passenger figures - Isle of Man Public Services -
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What a shame?
I paid for not cheap tickets to get my family over to the Rock only to be let down by a 1 hour delay, but on their return they encountered a 2 hour delay.
Same day on both flights there was not one airline operating in and out of the Rock with one delay???????
Why do we have to continue with some green mickey mouse idiots to rely on running a schedule smoothly?
Who is responsible for the poor time keeping with this rot of an airline?
A complete dismal excuse was given when i called to ask what had happened, in fact, they were rude as hell.
DO NOT FLY WITH AER ARANN
I paid for not cheap tickets to get my family over to the Rock only to be let down by a 1 hour delay, but on their return they encountered a 2 hour delay.
Same day on both flights there was not one airline operating in and out of the Rock with one delay???????
Why do we have to continue with some green mickey mouse idiots to rely on running a schedule smoothly?
Who is responsible for the poor time keeping with this rot of an airline?
A complete dismal excuse was given when i called to ask what had happened, in fact, they were rude as hell.
DO NOT FLY WITH AER ARANN
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May Airport passenger figures match 2011 levels
Passenger traffic passing through the Isle of Man Airport during May virtually matched 2011 levels with 58,915 passengers using the airport, just 35 fewer than in May 2011. Whilst this is the second consecutive month that there has been a small decline, this did not come as a surprise given that for almost the whole month, the popular London City route was not operated, nor was the Southampton service. It was only from 28 May that British Airways started their new service on the London City route with a single daily flight and this will be increased to the full three daily service from 25 June.
Last year nearly 4,000 passengers flew on the London City route and, when it became unavailable, many opted to transfer to Flybe’s Gatwick service last month. As a result the Gatwick passenger numbers were up by 33% with flights averaging 77% full for the month. The launch of the daily Oxford service on behalf of Manx2.com on 8 May also helped to relieve the shortage of capacity to the South East, and flights on this new route were an impressive two thirds full for the first three weeks of operation. The combined affect has meant that South East Traffic actually fell by only 54 passengers during the month.
Ann Reynolds, Airport Director, recognised that May was a month where substantial route changes were bound to affect passenger numbers. “We are actually very comfortable to again be essentially matching the 2011 passenger traffic levels” she admitted. “The lack of the Southampton route, London City service cut, together with other South East service reductions, have effectively meant that well over 5,600 passengers have either been unable to fly or have had to find other air services to use. However, with 3,500 more flying from Gatwick, 580 taking advantage of the new Oxford route, and 200 hopping onto the new British Airways service to City Airport when it started at the end of the month, this shortfall has been reduced considerably.”
Despite the introduction of the Oxford route, both Gloucester and Bristol numbers increased, but the loss of the Southampton route hit South and Southwest totals hard with numbers down 1,250, many again electing to transfer to the Gatwick or Oxford routes. The first flight from Anglesey for the summer was virtually full and the new Norwich service also started on 26th May.
Again the Northwest dominated the increase in traffic with over 1,850 more passengers using the Manchester and Liverpool routes. Liverpool saw a 12.7% increase with easyJet up by a third and Flybe also seeing an increase. Charter numbers were significantly down, this being due to many of the first departures to the Mediterranean departing in the first week of June rather than the end of May, so June charter figures should reflect this positively. Indeed, overall, IOM scheduled traffic saw a slight increase of 159 passengers over May 2011.
Departmental Member for Ports, David Callister MLC, is optimistic about the performance of the Airport passenger traffic as the year progresses. “Whilst I recognize that the new services – including the British Airways London City route – will take a little time to grow to their full potential and the next few months will reflect that, the signs are that people are still anxious to make the air trip and this is encouraging,” he said. “I am therefore optimistic that we will see a gradual improvement in passenger numbers during 2012, particularly towards the end of the year.”
Passenger traffic passing through the Isle of Man Airport during May virtually matched 2011 levels with 58,915 passengers using the airport, just 35 fewer than in May 2011. Whilst this is the second consecutive month that there has been a small decline, this did not come as a surprise given that for almost the whole month, the popular London City route was not operated, nor was the Southampton service. It was only from 28 May that British Airways started their new service on the London City route with a single daily flight and this will be increased to the full three daily service from 25 June.
Last year nearly 4,000 passengers flew on the London City route and, when it became unavailable, many opted to transfer to Flybe’s Gatwick service last month. As a result the Gatwick passenger numbers were up by 33% with flights averaging 77% full for the month. The launch of the daily Oxford service on behalf of Manx2.com on 8 May also helped to relieve the shortage of capacity to the South East, and flights on this new route were an impressive two thirds full for the first three weeks of operation. The combined affect has meant that South East Traffic actually fell by only 54 passengers during the month.
Ann Reynolds, Airport Director, recognised that May was a month where substantial route changes were bound to affect passenger numbers. “We are actually very comfortable to again be essentially matching the 2011 passenger traffic levels” she admitted. “The lack of the Southampton route, London City service cut, together with other South East service reductions, have effectively meant that well over 5,600 passengers have either been unable to fly or have had to find other air services to use. However, with 3,500 more flying from Gatwick, 580 taking advantage of the new Oxford route, and 200 hopping onto the new British Airways service to City Airport when it started at the end of the month, this shortfall has been reduced considerably.”
Despite the introduction of the Oxford route, both Gloucester and Bristol numbers increased, but the loss of the Southampton route hit South and Southwest totals hard with numbers down 1,250, many again electing to transfer to the Gatwick or Oxford routes. The first flight from Anglesey for the summer was virtually full and the new Norwich service also started on 26th May.
Again the Northwest dominated the increase in traffic with over 1,850 more passengers using the Manchester and Liverpool routes. Liverpool saw a 12.7% increase with easyJet up by a third and Flybe also seeing an increase. Charter numbers were significantly down, this being due to many of the first departures to the Mediterranean departing in the first week of June rather than the end of May, so June charter figures should reflect this positively. Indeed, overall, IOM scheduled traffic saw a slight increase of 159 passengers over May 2011.
Departmental Member for Ports, David Callister MLC, is optimistic about the performance of the Airport passenger traffic as the year progresses. “Whilst I recognize that the new services – including the British Airways London City route – will take a little time to grow to their full potential and the next few months will reflect that, the signs are that people are still anxious to make the air trip and this is encouraging,” he said. “I am therefore optimistic that we will see a gradual improvement in passenger numbers during 2012, particularly towards the end of the year.”
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LCY and Eastern
On Tuesday at lunchtime there were two Eastern Saabs parked at Ronaldsway; neither painted in BA colours. On Wednesday there were also two, however this time one was the BA painted aircraft sitting on stand 3 with an engineer's van next to it. Similar time Thursday again two,and again the BA aircraft was parked on stand 3; with the Eastern liveried aircraft ready to operate the 1300 LCY departure.
This morning the LCY departure is delayed for some 3 hours (hopefully it will make it to LCY before the curfew) and as the wx seems ok it must be a tech problem. LCY shows everything moving there (and reports the IOM flight as "on time"!) To be fair flights during the week have been operating on time.
There's another thread running on Eastern referring to unhappiness among it's people and also to frequent tech problems with aircraft. The number of Eastern aircraft covering for the BA painted Saab suggests it isn't the most reliable airframe in the fleet. Indeed it even went tach for it's inaugural flight.
Now I want this route to be successful - I flew each week of the first month of operations on the E170. I've also flown on the Saab, although I confess it was a disappointment after enjoying the E170 experience. However LCY is expensive - departing pax are charged some £40 against LGW's £8 or so - and this will be reflected in the ticket price. Currently it seems there is no charge from Ronaldsway, which presumably is a first year sweetener.
But I'm wondering whether Saab reliability is or will become an big issue, as we saw with RE's ageing ATRs, and will deter regular travellers (who notice these things) from using it.
Which would be a shame.
This morning the LCY departure is delayed for some 3 hours (hopefully it will make it to LCY before the curfew) and as the wx seems ok it must be a tech problem. LCY shows everything moving there (and reports the IOM flight as "on time"!) To be fair flights during the week have been operating on time.
There's another thread running on Eastern referring to unhappiness among it's people and also to frequent tech problems with aircraft. The number of Eastern aircraft covering for the BA painted Saab suggests it isn't the most reliable airframe in the fleet. Indeed it even went tach for it's inaugural flight.
Now I want this route to be successful - I flew each week of the first month of operations on the E170. I've also flown on the Saab, although I confess it was a disappointment after enjoying the E170 experience. However LCY is expensive - departing pax are charged some £40 against LGW's £8 or so - and this will be reflected in the ticket price. Currently it seems there is no charge from Ronaldsway, which presumably is a first year sweetener.
But I'm wondering whether Saab reliability is or will become an big issue, as we saw with RE's ageing ATRs, and will deter regular travellers (who notice these things) from using it.
Which would be a shame.
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One thing's for sure - they may notice the malcontent in the Eastern thread! Professionalism sadly seems to be lacking for some of them judging by the quality of the posts. One thing to air your views on rostering, salary etc - quite another to advocate the acquisition of baseball bats - however 'tongue in cheek' it was meant to be. Too much willy-waving; not enough getting on with the job.
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The Saab 2000 remains the world's most advanced 'fly by wire' turboprop ... any unreliability is surely down to the operator's lack of spare parts and/or unwilliness to put hands in pockets in support thereof!
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I hear our SAABs are now doing a cracking job down on fraggle. BA are chuffed and reckon they are already doing better than Arran on pax loads despite having to rebuild the order book from scratch.
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I used the LCY service last weekend for a last minute Olympic trip. Got two seats on my Avios (BA Exec. Club) for £27 total, booked only 4 days before. Great flight and service, with hot breakfast, (forgot such things existed after using BE to LGW for so long), 80%+ load and arrived at LCY 20 minutes early.
All that said, the cash fares are not really geared to the leisure traveller, so won't be doing it too often. Back to FlyBe and Southern Railway!
All that said, the cash fares are not really geared to the leisure traveller, so won't be doing it too often. Back to FlyBe and Southern Railway!
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Fun and games on Sunday night when Shell refueler went home early.
Flybes late BHX needed juice but shell were at home watching the telly. The last BHX sector had to be canned and 30 pax HOTACed. The subbed in F50 was then stuck here due to the crew out of hours so at least we got a nice shiny new jet yesterday
Flybes late BHX needed juice but shell were at home watching the telly. The last BHX sector had to be canned and 30 pax HOTACed. The subbed in F50 was then stuck here due to the crew out of hours so at least we got a nice shiny new jet yesterday
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IOM Spotter -
I think you will find that Shell actually left on time in accordance with the times published in the UK AIP.
It was Flybe/Denim/Flight Support (or whatever they are called this week) who failed to ascertain the fuel requirements and advise Shell beforehand that they would be required to stay!
Shell are good but they do not have a crystal ball!
I think you will find that Shell actually left on time in accordance with the times published in the UK AIP.
It was Flybe/Denim/Flight Support (or whatever they are called this week) who failed to ascertain the fuel requirements and advise Shell beforehand that they would be required to stay!
Shell are good but they do not have a crystal ball!
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Any former Manx Airlines employees who fancy coming to the reunion Bash in Douglas on Nov 3rd Email [email protected] for info.
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Isle of Man airport figures fall for third month
Factors including the Olympics and poor summer weather have attributed to the shortfall
Passenger figures for the Isle of Man's airport have fallen by about 3% for a third consecutive month, according to government statistics.
Almost 64,000 passengers used Ronaldsway in August, nearly 2,000 fewer than the same month in 2011.
Airport Director Ann Reynolds said she was "disappointed".
UK Civil Aviation Authority figures show that two thirds of airports in the British Isles suffered decreases for the months of July and August.
According to their figures, 36 of the 58 reporting airports in the British Isles suffered decreases in August, including the Isle of Man, and three quarters of these airports saw greater declines than Ronaldsway.
Factors including the Olympic and Paralympic Games and the poor summer weather have also been suggested as causes.
Miss Reynolds said: "The reductions of 3% concerned me, although I learnt of a similar pattern emerging with UK regional traffic as a whole.
"Looking at how UK and Channel Islands' Airports have performed during July, primarily due to the 'stay-home' impact of the Olympics, I remain comfortable that we are still keeping pace with the overall trend of air traffic performance."
August saw small decreases in Isle of Man passengers across many routes, with the major impact coming from the withdrawal of the Southampton route, which had generated more than 1,800 passengers in August 2011.
Factors including the Olympics and poor summer weather have attributed to the shortfall
Passenger figures for the Isle of Man's airport have fallen by about 3% for a third consecutive month, according to government statistics.
Almost 64,000 passengers used Ronaldsway in August, nearly 2,000 fewer than the same month in 2011.
Airport Director Ann Reynolds said she was "disappointed".
UK Civil Aviation Authority figures show that two thirds of airports in the British Isles suffered decreases for the months of July and August.
According to their figures, 36 of the 58 reporting airports in the British Isles suffered decreases in August, including the Isle of Man, and three quarters of these airports saw greater declines than Ronaldsway.
Factors including the Olympic and Paralympic Games and the poor summer weather have also been suggested as causes.
Miss Reynolds said: "The reductions of 3% concerned me, although I learnt of a similar pattern emerging with UK regional traffic as a whole.
"Looking at how UK and Channel Islands' Airports have performed during July, primarily due to the 'stay-home' impact of the Olympics, I remain comfortable that we are still keeping pace with the overall trend of air traffic performance."
August saw small decreases in Isle of Man passengers across many routes, with the major impact coming from the withdrawal of the Southampton route, which had generated more than 1,800 passengers in August 2011.
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IOM-LCY
Mixed messages reported here on the island.
Chief executive of London City visiting the island earlier this week urged support of the route "to ensure its continued operation"
Three FM News
Whilst the GM Commercial for BA at LCY says "if interest increases there may be scope to introduce a fourth flight"
Manx Radio News
It does seem though to have been a success so far, but as a frequent user I thought we were spoilt by the E170 for the first month of operation. No disrespect intended to Eastern and the Saab, but I'd love to see the pax numbers justify it's return. The Saab is quite noisy and there's little room for any hand baggage. (It's like going back to the G-OJET/G-MABR days).
Whether the economics permit or indeed where that airframe might come from though is another issue.
Interestingly FlyBe just sent me a survey focussed on London as a destination, asking inter alia which London airport I preferred and what factors, including aircraft type, do I consider when selecting a flight to London. If they are looking to put a jet on the Gatwick route, and easyJet are operating A319s then the turboprop may look dated.
Chief executive of London City visiting the island earlier this week urged support of the route "to ensure its continued operation"
Three FM News
Whilst the GM Commercial for BA at LCY says "if interest increases there may be scope to introduce a fourth flight"
Manx Radio News
It does seem though to have been a success so far, but as a frequent user I thought we were spoilt by the E170 for the first month of operation. No disrespect intended to Eastern and the Saab, but I'd love to see the pax numbers justify it's return. The Saab is quite noisy and there's little room for any hand baggage. (It's like going back to the G-OJET/G-MABR days).
Whether the economics permit or indeed where that airframe might come from though is another issue.
Interestingly FlyBe just sent me a survey focussed on London as a destination, asking inter alia which London airport I preferred and what factors, including aircraft type, do I consider when selecting a flight to London. If they are looking to put a jet on the Gatwick route, and easyJet are operating A319s then the turboprop may look dated.