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I'd be surprised because I seem to remember being told that the business park attached to BOH is very profitable.
As an airport I wouldn't be surprised if HUY is more profitable than BOH. BOH does seem to have more growth potential however.
As an airport I wouldn't be surprised if HUY is more profitable than BOH. BOH does seem to have more growth potential however.
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I think BOH is in a much better location with regards to the business park, it is not too far from the city, HUY is central but still some distance away from its main urban areas, BOH has far more potential with regards low cost travel with a better catchment than that of HUY.
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Ryan Air have already axed the Tuesday flight and will not be operating from HUY in the winter, Aer Arran will be operating the Dublin flight using an ATR 42. This is amore realistic size of aircraft for HUY.
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Aer Arann and an ATR-42 would certainly offer more manageable and sustainable capacity than what FR offered. True, the bargain fares won't be there, but RE's fares are still usually quite reasonable and if it means HUY retains it's DUB service then I'm all in favour.
I'd just like to see something official on the RE website before I can truly believe it though....
I'd just like to see something official on the RE website before I can truly believe it though....
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The service wouldnt be viable without a low fares operation, the ATR-42 would be too big for the full fares market.
If it has been axed, which i am lead to believe this as maybe not true, then FLYBe would be the only viable operator of a DUB route from HUY. As we all know though, this is highly unlikely.
We'll have to wait and see what the next couple of weeks have in store. If nothing more is heard from FR then i think we can expect HUY to be dropped. Im sure FR wouldnt want this to happen though, they will do what they can to make it work and the rumoured 4xweekly may just do the trick.
If it has been axed, which i am lead to believe this as maybe not true, then FLYBe would be the only viable operator of a DUB route from HUY. As we all know though, this is highly unlikely.
We'll have to wait and see what the next couple of weeks have in store. If nothing more is heard from FR then i think we can expect HUY to be dropped. Im sure FR wouldnt want this to happen though, they will do what they can to make it work and the rumoured 4xweekly may just do the trick.
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Aer Arann would be ideal. While not a LoCo, their fares aren't that expensive, and nothing like Eastern's. Plus if they start with a ATR-42 they can expand to a ATR-72 if demand requires it in the future
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But, looking at it from a paying customers point of view, who has no interest in aviation like we do, RE's fares would be considerably more than the £1 quoted on big adverts in the paper and on websites, people would just use FR at DSA as its much cheaper and a well known brand.
As a paying customer myself who has already used the DUB service, i use it because its conveniant and cheap, if they pull HUY i will use DSA because that would still be cheaper than flying with RE.
I just hope it doesnt get pulled from HUY, i much prefer flying from there than anywhere else.
As a paying customer myself who has already used the DUB service, i use it because its conveniant and cheap, if they pull HUY i will use DSA because that would still be cheaper than flying with RE.
I just hope it doesnt get pulled from HUY, i much prefer flying from there than anywhere else.
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Originally Posted by NorthOfRiver
I have absolutely no doubt that in time DSA will become the main airport of Yorkshire and North Midlands. I am not dissing LBA, its just that I believe DSA is far better placed, both logistically and realistically, for expansion. I do, however, feel you are being disrespectful to HUY. HUY is not a mickey mouse operation and it will continue to grow. Not in respective proportion to DSA, but nevertheless it will grow
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HUY to go from 0.6m to 2.5m in the masterplan. Time period of 25 years 
That is a growth of what 90,000pax per year in a straight-line, that is 10 extra summer flights assuming 200 pax in and out, in year one and just keep them for 25 years, is that a mammouth task?!
That is a growth of what 90,000pax per year in a straight-line, that is 10 extra summer flights assuming 200 pax in and out, in year one and just keep them for 25 years, is that a mammouth task?!
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Or, more realistically, it's a 6% compound growth annually, meaning you only need to add 36000 pax in year 1. Looks fairly reasonable when the CAA projections are 5% a year across the industry as a whole.
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Well still nothing from FR regarding winter DUB flights, looks as though this is another short lived venture for HUY 
Another nail in the coffin perhaps? Going on previously dropped routes i cant see DUB being replaced either, the demand is there as has been proved. Will anyone be willing to take over?
Another nail in the coffin perhaps? Going on previously dropped routes i cant see DUB being replaced either, the demand is there as has been proved. Will anyone be willing to take over?
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The route is definitely being dropped. 189 every day of the week was overkill, but with over 5000 pax a month using the service, demand is there. I doubt there will be a replacement service in place in time for the winter, but bosses are hopeful for next summer.
It is not the final nail in the coffin, it just shows that the right aircraft from the right operator is needed for the HUY market. Flybe would be the ideal choice, but their recent expansion at DSA would indicate this unlikely. Jet2 appears to be the only hope, and with a considerable capacity cut from 189 to 149 seats, the route might be more suited to this size of aircraft, bringing the load factor up to around 70%.
If nothing is achieved on the low cost front, it will prove negative on 2007s pax figures, as FR will have brought in an extra 25-30,000 pax for HUY in 2006.
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It is not the final nail in the coffin, it just shows that the right aircraft from the right operator is needed for the HUY market. Flybe would be the ideal choice, but their recent expansion at DSA would indicate this unlikely. Jet2 appears to be the only hope, and with a considerable capacity cut from 189 to 149 seats, the route might be more suited to this size of aircraft, bringing the load factor up to around 70%.
If nothing is achieved on the low cost front, it will prove negative on 2007s pax figures, as FR will have brought in an extra 25-30,000 pax for HUY in 2006.
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It just doesn't work that way though does it? No one owes HUY a favour. Jet2 wouldn't be looking to employ an aircraft on the strength of a possible 70% load factor. If they were to utilise an aircraft they would be looking for somewhere who could guarantee 85%+ load factors together with reasonable returns with the size of aircraft they use.
The only people to blame for the FR service is the public of Humberside. Lots of people go around bleating about the lack of growth etc, but most of these haven't even seen their way through the terminal at HUY more than a couple of times. I wanted to make the DUB service work, so I put my money where my mouth is and used it 6 times in 3 months. It was so disheartening to see 30 or so people in the departure lounge, and trying to kid yourself that there's going to be a sudden rush. People who want an airport in Humberside, NEED TO SUPPORT the airport. It's as simple as that.
It just doesn't work that way though does it? No one owes HUY a favour. Jet2 wouldn't be looking to employ an aircraft on the strength of a possible 70% load factor. If they were to utilise an aircraft they would be looking for somewhere who could guarantee 85%+ load factors together with reasonable returns with the size of aircraft they use.
The only people to blame for the FR service is the public of Humberside. Lots of people go around bleating about the lack of growth etc, but most of these haven't even seen their way through the terminal at HUY more than a couple of times. I wanted to make the DUB service work, so I put my money where my mouth is and used it 6 times in 3 months. It was so disheartening to see 30 or so people in the departure lounge, and trying to kid yourself that there's going to be a sudden rush. People who want an airport in Humberside, NEED TO SUPPORT the airport. It's as simple as that.
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The demand shown from the Ryanair experiment is that there were 5000 people a month who were willing to pay peanuts for their flights. Will Jet2 consider dropping their fares to a Ryanair early booking level with 50 less capacity? I'm not sure Ryanair will have made good on their investment.
IF a regional player was to come on board will a smaller aircraft would these same people who paid £40-50 pay double that to travel?
IF a regional player was to come on board will a smaller aircraft would these same people who paid £40-50 pay double that to travel?
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Well said NorthOfRiver & gary4444, I quite agree.
It goes to show how the market is HUY is finite with little or no inbound potential. This is sad for the airport - but makes sense. The airport is heavily dependant on outbound travel - people wishing to leave the area for whatever reason. That alone cannot justify a low-cost network. The airport did its utmost to promote the service -but that holds little power when the demand just isn't there.
People also forget that fares offered by FR on this route were at rock bottom and only managed to attract 5,000 pax per month. The average fare if Jet2 or Aer Arann came on the route will be much higher - thus restricting demand. Unless an aircraft has the same seat cost as the B737-800, the demand will not be the same with a simple switch of aircraft type.
It goes to show how the market is HUY is finite with little or no inbound potential. This is sad for the airport - but makes sense. The airport is heavily dependant on outbound travel - people wishing to leave the area for whatever reason. That alone cannot justify a low-cost network. The airport did its utmost to promote the service -but that holds little power when the demand just isn't there.
People also forget that fares offered by FR on this route were at rock bottom and only managed to attract 5,000 pax per month. The average fare if Jet2 or Aer Arann came on the route will be much higher - thus restricting demand. Unless an aircraft has the same seat cost as the B737-800, the demand will not be the same with a simple switch of aircraft type.
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IF jet2 do come in, i would have thaught itd be just to sun routes only. I was going to say something simillar to BLK operation but after reading their FR figures are over 9000 (more than DSA and MME) maybe even that type of services would be overkill with the charter flights too.
Said again, FLYBe could make some regional routes work from HUY, as said i dont think they will as theyre at DSA soon.
The only real form of scheduled expansion i can now see in the future could come form Eastern airways, but even they dont seem to want to support their home airport.
It does tell you something doesnt it.
Said again, FLYBe could make some regional routes work from HUY, as said i dont think they will as theyre at DSA soon.
The only real form of scheduled expansion i can now see in the future could come form Eastern airways, but even they dont seem to want to support their home airport.
It does tell you something doesnt it.
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Flight/seat/route analysis
If Ryanair cannot make it work with 189 seats, could someone make it work with say an 80/100 seat plane, without MR O'Leary trying to bankrupt them. What seems to be forgotten is HUY is a small catchment airport and needs to concentrate on specific routes, 'out of the ordinary' flights, specialisation is the name of the game, something different to the 'bucket and spade' general tourism etc.Cheers
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I dont suppose MOL would be so bothered about HUY to be honest, not if theyve had to pull out due to crap loads.
In theory an 80-100 seat daily rotation would work, looking at the FR stats, but as has been mentioned that figure is at FR's rock bottom fares, cheaper than most other potential operators.
Regarding the less common routes, i wouldnt be surprised if thats what HUY would be after if they are trying to attract Jet2, so not to compete with their charter operations. It says on their masterplan that they believe potential routes from HUY for a lo-co would be, among others, Frankfurt and Paris but i suspect they may try for places like Barcelona and Nice so to compliment the existing route 'network'.
Im starting to think that none of this will ever happen though, maybe at best we will see something from EZE like LCY or BRU at a push in the next few years.
In theory an 80-100 seat daily rotation would work, looking at the FR stats, but as has been mentioned that figure is at FR's rock bottom fares, cheaper than most other potential operators.
Regarding the less common routes, i wouldnt be surprised if thats what HUY would be after if they are trying to attract Jet2, so not to compete with their charter operations. It says on their masterplan that they believe potential routes from HUY for a lo-co would be, among others, Frankfurt and Paris but i suspect they may try for places like Barcelona and Nice so to compliment the existing route 'network'.
Im starting to think that none of this will ever happen though, maybe at best we will see something from EZE like LCY or BRU at a push in the next few years.
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Can anyone tell me what going on Excel's plans for HUY next summer?
XLA had intended to base an aircraft at HUY all week and put the full schedule on sale a few months ago. Now only Paphos and Heraklion are bookable
XLA have done very well at HUY this summer and if the plan to have a based aircraft next summer has been scrapped it seems a very shock move, especially as flights had already been put on sale for this summer
XLA had intended to base an aircraft at HUY all week and put the full schedule on sale a few months ago. Now only Paphos and Heraklion are bookable
XLA have done very well at HUY this summer and if the plan to have a based aircraft next summer has been scrapped it seems a very shock move, especially as flights had already been put on sale for this summer
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Another nail in the coffin, charter flights do exceptionaly well at HUY, it seems like its one step forward two steps back all the time