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Old 12th Jun 2013, 18:10
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One regarding a new development by the looks of it. A business route has been rumoured, but it could be anything.

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Old 12th Jun 2013, 19:08
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SAS to CPH from W13/14 operated by Cimber Crj 200
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Sas ?. Is there a link to this ?.
Its funny but id read that Dsa was going for a similar route.
Sadly during my late night ( embarrassing) posts My point got a bit lost.
But I thought Cph might appear what with it being a hub. Great news for the area if it was true
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Old 12th Jun 2013, 21:34
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Didn't Cimber used to do this route many years ago with a Nord 262?
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Cimber are indeed still flying . There was a oage saying theyd gone bust

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If this is indeed true I'm guessing it might have something to do with offshore wind? I've heard there are many Danes working down this way on the East Anglian developments.
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BBC Look North have just confirmed the news. SAS are to commence a new 5 times weekly service from October 27th linking Humbersde to Copenhagen. Great news for the airport and the region..

SAS Launches direct Humberside - Copenhagen Route - Humberside Airport

Timetable
Humberside – Copenhagen: departure 19:15 –arrival 21:50
Copenhagen – Humberside: departure 18:10 –arrival 18:45

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Old 13th Jun 2013, 08:47
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Fantastic news, but I don't hold out much hope.

I think an earlier flight to tie in with SK longhaul connections would have been more suitable.

We can only hope they have done their research, and that the flight is a success!

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Grrr

Small airliner, high operating costs, so tickets will be expensive.
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Old 13th Jun 2013, 13:17
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A lot of CPH routes are not necessarily low cost and do ok even on small expensive "jets". GLA and EDI on BM are a good example. Tiny load figures yet been about for years.
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Old 13th Jun 2013, 15:48
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This is very clearly a niche, point to point specialised business route rather than one aimed at the general public.

I don't have any insight into the economics, but I think it's fair to say that the prices of tickets will be set high in the knowledge that it will be the businesses rather than the individuals picking up the tab.
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Old 13th Jun 2013, 16:09
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This is very clearly a niche, point to point specialised business route rather than one aimed at the general public.
Really? You mean as opposed to KLM or is that a specialised niche route also?
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I don't understand the sarcasm. The services offered on the two routes are not comparable.
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Old 13th Jun 2013, 16:21
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I cant see any evidence that this route is aimed at one particular client, and it will infact be serving a wide range of industries in the Humber region and further afield due to the various synergies with Scandanavia.

Of course the ticket costs will be increased to justify it, and the route will be subject to the startup fund being offered by CPH at the moment, but T3 to ABZ it is not.
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pug - the Amsterdam route is flown 20x per week including 5 round trips at the weekend. Copenhagen will fly 5x per week with nothing at the weekend suggesting SAS has no intention of catering to leisure passengers.
Amsterdam is much better placed physically for passengers connecting from Humberside to Europe. A flight from Humberside into Copenhagen arriving at 2150 rules out a connecting flight from Copenhagen before about 2230 - which leaves very few viable onward connections without an overnight hotel stay.
Furthermore people travelling to Amsterdam can look at Leeds or East Midlands for competitor airlines - for Copenhagen competition is much weaker meaning higher fares can be charged.

As others have said, this route is targetted at people flying on business between Humberside and the Nordic countries. Leisure passengers or those travelling outside the Nordic countries need not apply. This is a niche route for niche passengers. There may not be oil money like Aberdeen but SAS will be charging a full price for this route.
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Like I say, it will serve the wide range of industries for which there are synergies between Humberside and Scandanavia. Depends on your definition of niche. There may be a small niche leisure market. The vast majority of passengers using the KLM service are business passengers, is that a niche?

What I'm getting at is that the whole business community will need to support this, therefore it will be interesting to see how this route performs (or how long it lasts), it hasn't been set up to emulate the success of the niche industry which makes HUY-ABZ viable. Had that been the case T3 would have found reason to serve the route by now.
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A different view

Do forgive me, but after reading some of the more negative commentary relating to the impending SAS service, please allow me to put another point of view.
Its clear that if SAS follow the program at Newcastle, there will be a range of prices for a range of customers. It is certainly not a niche service for business pax only, but its also clear that its focussing on Scandinavia as a whole. The only onward intercontinental service Copenhagen could offer at the arrival time shown is Bangkok.

I understand that they have timed this service not to conflict with the KLM connectivity. SAS believe that there is substantial Scandinavian traffic available for both operators. I also know, personally, that SAS have been in contact with a number of travel agents to explore cruise opportunities and we will see a focus on tourism from both ends. I've been watching the airport twitter feed and responses today from tourists is pretty positive.

Lets be clear, it won't dramatically effect KLM, but it may push them to wake up a little and adjust their pricing methodology which had become premium in my view.

Let's also take note of the fact that charter looks great for pax numbers, but scheduled pays the wages..buys the fuel, pays on time etc, etc...

With SARH due in just over a year, helicopter traffic increasing etc, lets be positive rather than taking, it seems, a negative view from some of the contributors.

Two flag carriers ........! I bet Doncaster turned green...!
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Old 13th Jun 2013, 19:44
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SAS

Just checked and there is no Sunday and no Tuesday to start with, but does operate Saturday.
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Old 13th Jun 2013, 22:01
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....the wide range of industries for which there are synergies between Humberside and Scandanavia.....
That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.........

Somebody mentioned the wind farm industry. That seems a sensible suggestion since Denmark is a world leader in the technology, but I really can't see an 'across the board' demand.
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Old 13th Jun 2013, 22:16
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Funny how?

If they were relying solely on offshore wind technology then I would give the route 6 months.

Like Latituded alluded to, there is far more behind this than purely the offshore renewable sector. It is increadibly naive to believe that SAS would invest in this route without thorough market analysis by both themselves and Humberside Airport, and make their decision based solely on a 'burgeoning' sector which is far from set in stone at the moment. If we are to go by that theory, then will we be seeing Lufthansa at HUY if the Siemens plant comes to fruition?

Clearly, the renewable sector has played it's part in this venture, perhaps it was the deal clincher, but the case for this route has been made by key local stakeholders well before the offshore windfarm industry reared it's head.

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