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Now that THomson/Aerarran Jersey route stoped as of the first of October the1st and the only connection to Jersey is the Saturday BMI Baby flight till the end of the month is there any signs of an operation for the winter??
With the possibilty of Flybe not operating out of Bristol to Jersey is this not a case for a least a connection to Jersey to carry on???
With the possibilty of Flybe not operating out of Bristol to Jersey is this not a case for a least a connection to Jersey to carry on???
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i see planeman is back on the now closed new york thread, it appears that delta are now going to operate the CWL-EWR route next summer !!!!, is this from another reliable inside source,what happened to the previous adament reliable insider who last informed him that CO going to pull out of BRS and move to CWL ? or is it the same one !!!!!
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i see planeman is back on the now closed new york thread, it appears that delta are now going to operate the CWL-EWR route next summer !!!!, is this from another reliable inside source,what happened to the previous adament reliable insider who last informed him that CO going to pull out of BRS and move to CWL ? or is it the same one !!!!!
CWL can’t support basic bread and butter routes to business destinations in Europe. What no Brussels? Shed loads on the SNB at BRS.
What is going on at CWL? XL, Eastern, Air Southwest are all doing a runner! How many other regional airports have news like CWL have airlines starting and dropping? Is it just that CWL will never be a BRS or BHX?
BRS are struggling to cope with the demand. Ok, Flybe are pulling the plug and look like they are centralising in the Southwest at EXT. Competition is a lot more heavier at BRS. No way on this planet will BEE base at CWL. Umm..? But then again, I loved the way they put up a bloody great sail thing on a roundabout at BRS. Spent loads on it with: ‘the southwest’s best low cost carrier blah, blah (or something dull). Then about a week later it was all removed!
How about CWL develops its advantages it has over BRS? Maintenance, freight, and more long-hauls? It will never now match BRS for general pax figs. It missed its chance years ago.
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Airvanman sad to say but i think its true!You look at other airports and CWL just is`nt going anywhere fast.If Air Southwest pull out just after Eastern just after Air Wales and Ryanair not to forget British regional......what does it say CWL is a risky airport.pitty
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I wouldn't see the place all doom and gloom, what you are looking at are routes that have always been difficult to run, how many times have airlines pulled out of Brussels?
The Dublin flights are handled by Aer Arran and Ryanair moving out is I'm quite sure no great loss to the airport, having promised the earth and doing the square root of diddly squat once they arrived.
Passenger figures are well up on last year, yes they need to do a lot more work but maybe we should stop trying to compare ourselves with other airports nearby, we have a very different catchment.
The Dublin flights are handled by Aer Arran and Ryanair moving out is I'm quite sure no great loss to the airport, having promised the earth and doing the square root of diddly squat once they arrived.
Passenger figures are well up on last year, yes they need to do a lot more work but maybe we should stop trying to compare ourselves with other airports nearby, we have a very different catchment.
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Got to say, I think the "Cardiff has had it" theory is rot.
Let's look at the "leavers" and the "rumoured leavers"....
XL - my guess is that they managed to get some more slots out of the South East for the Cardiff aircraft. So they did what any airline would do from any non-South East airport. Absquatulated.
Eastern - NCL seems to work well, as it did with Air Wales. BRU - well, the fares were crazy, seemed to have no revenue manager on them, and the advertising? I didn't see any, and I fly through, or have a meeting at the airport pretty much weekly.
ASW - give me strength. They may advertise well, but NQY? Why would anyone go to NQY in the winter? And if you live in Cardiff, getting to the centre of Manchester is quicker on the train. Daft route.
CWL suffers from not getting the Go base, years back. That was a pretty close call by all accounts, and the situation could easily have been reversed. What CWL needs is a decent "proper" low cost, serving some of the underserved destinations that baby do, and introducing others that easy do out of BRS. And offering real low cost fares... I get bored with the leakage figures from the S Wales area to BRS....
New York? All things are possible. Have I heard anything? No. BUT remember that long haul tends to have a larger catchment area. So given that CO won't do it (they are out of BHX and BRS, why would they?) and most of the US majors are looking very hard at Europe, who knows? CO are not the only player, and CWL is virgin territory for someone who wanted a slice of the CO action. Drive it on price, and watch the fur fly.
Dubai? Doubtful. But Middle East, possible. I know many people for example who are BHX regulars because of the EK service. You'd be surprised how many Skywards folks are in the CF, NP, SA postcodes. But EK won't do it since it dilutes load and yield. Etihad? Qatar? Who knows?
Don't write CWL off just yet. You heard it here first.
Let's look at the "leavers" and the "rumoured leavers"....
XL - my guess is that they managed to get some more slots out of the South East for the Cardiff aircraft. So they did what any airline would do from any non-South East airport. Absquatulated.
Eastern - NCL seems to work well, as it did with Air Wales. BRU - well, the fares were crazy, seemed to have no revenue manager on them, and the advertising? I didn't see any, and I fly through, or have a meeting at the airport pretty much weekly.
ASW - give me strength. They may advertise well, but NQY? Why would anyone go to NQY in the winter? And if you live in Cardiff, getting to the centre of Manchester is quicker on the train. Daft route.
CWL suffers from not getting the Go base, years back. That was a pretty close call by all accounts, and the situation could easily have been reversed. What CWL needs is a decent "proper" low cost, serving some of the underserved destinations that baby do, and introducing others that easy do out of BRS. And offering real low cost fares... I get bored with the leakage figures from the S Wales area to BRS....
New York? All things are possible. Have I heard anything? No. BUT remember that long haul tends to have a larger catchment area. So given that CO won't do it (they are out of BHX and BRS, why would they?) and most of the US majors are looking very hard at Europe, who knows? CO are not the only player, and CWL is virgin territory for someone who wanted a slice of the CO action. Drive it on price, and watch the fur fly.
Dubai? Doubtful. But Middle East, possible. I know many people for example who are BHX regulars because of the EK service. You'd be surprised how many Skywards folks are in the CF, NP, SA postcodes. But EK won't do it since it dilutes load and yield. Etihad? Qatar? Who knows?
Don't write CWL off just yet. You heard it here first.
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No offence but!But its always the same rumours going round and round and round.Don`t get me wrong i would love Cardiff to develop as you know.After all it pay my bills at the end of the month.But the management just can`t bring it together.As some people think Cardiff is/maybe/or not in danger of being sold off since the group purchase achieved the Golden London airport for the Spanish?Which has had no end of funds on development.Is that why Cardiff seen an added push for routes?Quick boost of pax?
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No offence taken, PT.
If only it were that easy....
What the airport needed was a bit of spring cleaning... over the last year it has had it. A little bit more to come perhaps, and then, who knows?
Is that why Cardiff seen an added push for routes?Quick boost of pax?
What the airport needed was a bit of spring cleaning... over the last year it has had it. A little bit more to come perhaps, and then, who knows?
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re xl its not beacause the a/c is better else where for example majority of flights full,passengers pleased there was another airline rather than the usual to choose from,tfly are going half full on some of there flights but the airport are too scared to give there slots to another carrier,airport didnt fight enough to keep them,but it wont be the last we see xl based at cwl.
re xl its not beacause the a/c is better else where for example majority of flights full,passengers pleased there was another airline rather than the usual to choose from,tfly are going half full on some of there flights but the airport are too scared to give there slots to another carrier,airport didnt fight enough to keep them,but it wont be the last we see xl based at cwl.
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I may have worded my point in very simple terms.But the point i mean,is if there is a driving force all the better.A driving force for routes or a boot up the A
Anyway better get on got Air Law to get stuck into, thought it was dry enough during PPL Warsaw convention,annex 1,2,3...........
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I may have worded my point in very simple terms.But the point i mean,is if there is a driving force all the better.A driving force for routes or a boot up the A Anyway better get on got Air Law to get stuck into, thought it was dry enough during PPL Warsaw convention,annex 1,2,3........... bla
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The thing with new routes, is that you need an airport that can accommodate the pax and provide the facilities they need to travel.
Simple things like seating, toilets and access to information...
Building new stands to accommodate a/c, then worrying about pax after, isn't the way to go!!! Get it right from the start and you've got a nice experience at the airport from which you travel. Otherwise, you may not use it again....
This new walkway, I'm told, has no seating at gates and no toilets!!!! WHY OH WHY??? Word is that it's to encourage pax to spend at departures BEFORE they are to board... So how are pax to know what is beyond the departure lounge??? Are they told?? Yeah right!!!
CWL should have gone straight into the build of a walkway shadowing the old domestic pier with air bridges.. As is in the 2015 paper I think??? Simple things like an air bridge can reduce turnaround times and staffing levels.. No need for steps, or at least one set.... No pax waiting when boarding till steps are clear so as not to get too wet in bad weather... Quicker offload and loading... Nicer for pax not to get wet!!! Less staff required to 'watch' pax on the apron as they board... and them get wet too, causing some sickness I'm sure!!etc...
More stands and a/c, yet little thought put into equipment parking.... So it's now further away and takes longer to fetch!! If not left in the way of a stand.. like the First Choice incident!!!
So many reasons yet so little thought!!
I'm all for expansion, but PLEASE PLEASE give it some thought.....
It's difficult to determine staffing levels when you need three people to turn an a/c on one stand and five or six on another!!
Abertis, take note, and good luck!!!! I look forward to a better CARDIFF!!!!!!
Rant over... Back to the way it is!!!
Simple things like seating, toilets and access to information...
Building new stands to accommodate a/c, then worrying about pax after, isn't the way to go!!! Get it right from the start and you've got a nice experience at the airport from which you travel. Otherwise, you may not use it again....
This new walkway, I'm told, has no seating at gates and no toilets!!!! WHY OH WHY??? Word is that it's to encourage pax to spend at departures BEFORE they are to board... So how are pax to know what is beyond the departure lounge??? Are they told?? Yeah right!!!
CWL should have gone straight into the build of a walkway shadowing the old domestic pier with air bridges.. As is in the 2015 paper I think??? Simple things like an air bridge can reduce turnaround times and staffing levels.. No need for steps, or at least one set.... No pax waiting when boarding till steps are clear so as not to get too wet in bad weather... Quicker offload and loading... Nicer for pax not to get wet!!! Less staff required to 'watch' pax on the apron as they board... and them get wet too, causing some sickness I'm sure!!etc...
More stands and a/c, yet little thought put into equipment parking.... So it's now further away and takes longer to fetch!! If not left in the way of a stand.. like the First Choice incident!!!
So many reasons yet so little thought!!
I'm all for expansion, but PLEASE PLEASE give it some thought.....
It's difficult to determine staffing levels when you need three people to turn an a/c on one stand and five or six on another!!
Abertis, take note, and good luck!!!! I look forward to a better CARDIFF!!!!!!
Rant over... Back to the way it is!!!
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Well some good news, so many bookings have been taken on the Florida flights with FCA that they are starting in February apparently now not May.
I wouldn't see the place all doom and gloom, what you are looking at are routes that have always been difficult to run, how many times have airlines pulled out of Brussels?
The Dublin flights are handled by Aer Arran and Ryanair moving out is I'm quite sure no great loss to the airport, having promised the earth and doing the square root of diddly squat once they arrived.
Passenger figures are well up on last year, yes they need to do a lot more work but maybe we should stop trying to compare ourselves with other airports nearby, we have a very different catchment.
I wouldn't see the place all doom and gloom, what you are looking at are routes that have always been difficult to run, how many times have airlines pulled out of Brussels?
The Dublin flights are handled by Aer Arran and Ryanair moving out is I'm quite sure no great loss to the airport, having promised the earth and doing the square root of diddly squat once they arrived.
Passenger figures are well up on last year, yes they need to do a lot more work but maybe we should stop trying to compare ourselves with other airports nearby, we have a very different catchment.
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Aircraft slots in the southeast tosh! XL - doing what others have done cut and run!
Eastern (the award winning regional) They obviously don’t think it’s worth it!
Air Southwest. Daft routes not! see Air Wales
Air Wales. Another Welsh airline gone! Why did they not do a CWL-North Wales –CWL 2-3 daily? A rich mans plaything. Swansea what was all that about? Indecisive route planning. Had ambitions for 747s to NYC. Now that one made me laugh!
Blame GO? BMIBaby (a proper lo-cost) have dragged their feet and just ticked over. Never mind they will be ‘kin off to BHX soon and doing an XL.
Middle east etc. This is what CWL want to chase. BRS can’t cope with lack of space inside and out! Get in there quick CWL and you could steal BRS’s thunder!
I will write CWL off! Until they one day have good management in place.
Crackling Jet. Get on with your work! The ex Count?
Aircraft slots in the southeast tosh! XL - doing what others have done cut and run!
Eastern (the award winning regional) They obviously don’t think it’s worth it!
Air Southwest. Daft routes not! see Air Wales
Air Wales. Another Welsh airline gone! Why did they not do a CWL-North Wales –CWL 2-3 daily? A rich mans plaything. Swansea what was all that about? Indecisive route planning. Had ambitions for 747s to NYC. Now that one made me laugh!
Blame GO? BMIBaby (a proper lo-cost) have dragged their feet and just ticked over. Never mind they will be ‘kin off to BHX soon and doing an XL.
Middle east etc. This is what CWL want to chase. BRS can’t cope with lack of space inside and out! Get in there quick CWL and you could steal BRS’s thunder!
I will write CWL off! Until they one day have good management in place.
Crackling Jet. Get on with your work! The ex Count?
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Interesting point you make about the current situation on Severnside had Go (what a superb airline - I used them several times) gone to CWL instead of BRS.
I have Barbara Cassani's excellent book on Go and she devotes a chapter to the Bristol set-up. Forgive me if you have read it.
In brief summary, when they decided they wanted a second base to complement Stansted (in fact, they were going to open a new base every year) they cast their net all over Europe. The short list for the first new base became BRS, EMA, NCL and EDI/GLA.
The main points that swung the decision in BRS's favour were the perceived quality of its top management and the fact that the catchment area was "along the wealthy and populous Thames valley corridor and the West Country was full of well-off older people with time to spare."
She went on to say that "the perfectly formed airport was a joy to deal with ..........because John (Parkin, the then MD) and his management had grasped the potential for this prosperous segment of Britain."
This confirms, although being in the business you will know far better than me, what a top-quality senior management can bring to an airport.
Once BRS got the base there was no way such a close neighbour as CWL would get one too, and the situation would have applied in reverse.
BTW, to me your full post concerning CWL's future makes absolute common sense.