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I do have the same memory as you that some of the BA routes went earlier in 2002 but that BRU and probably CDG lingered on to the end of the year.
It will be very interesting to see what routes the fourth baby 737 brings. Has the extra aircraft definitely been confirmed?
I see there is also speculation about an extra Thomsonfly 737 next summer as well.
If these aircraft do commence operations the airport should see well over 2 million pax next year. Even if they don't the 2 million should be comfortably exceeded.
August took the running 12-month total to 1,913,967 (up 7.6% on the figure a year ago), with 256,000 passing through last month (up 16.2% on August 2005).
From comments you have made in the past I believe you will thoroughly enjoy the extra work.
I do have the same memory as you that some of the BA routes went earlier in 2002 but that BRU and probably CDG lingered on to the end of the year.
It will be very interesting to see what routes the fourth baby 737 brings. Has the extra aircraft definitely been confirmed?
I see there is also speculation about an extra Thomsonfly 737 next summer as well.
If these aircraft do commence operations the airport should see well over 2 million pax next year. Even if they don't the 2 million should be comfortably exceeded.
August took the running 12-month total to 1,913,967 (up 7.6% on the figure a year ago), with 256,000 passing through last month (up 16.2% on August 2005).
From comments you have made in the past I believe you will thoroughly enjoy the extra work.
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To settle this once and for all:
bmibaby starts CWL ops - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2366103.stm
BA withdraws from CWL - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2582763.stm
bmibaby announces CDG - Edited for advertisement. Follow TwinAisle's suggestion below.
As I said, Google is your friend, and soooo much more reliable than memory...
Whoops - apologies, forgot the rule on airline press releases!
bmibaby starts CWL ops - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2366103.stm
BA withdraws from CWL - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2582763.stm
bmibaby announces CDG - Edited for advertisement. Follow TwinAisle's suggestion below.
As I said, Google is your friend, and soooo much more reliable than memory...
Whoops - apologies, forgot the rule on airline press releases!
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It will be very interesting to see what routes the fourth baby 737 brings. Has the extra aircraft definitely been confirmed?
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who cares if bmi bring in 4th aircraft what we need is a good standard airline at cardiff rather than a low cost mickey mouse airline all crew are fed up with the long days and no support from management,bring back airwales - and excel why are you not coming back next year?
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BA Forever - BABY announcement...
Baby website....
News Section....
'Release date : 2006-09-13'
'bmibaby announces fleet expansion plans for Summer 2007'
Just to clarify what baby have said - though could change their minds!!!!
News Section....
'Release date : 2006-09-13'
'bmibaby announces fleet expansion plans for Summer 2007'
Just to clarify what baby have said - though could change their minds!!!!
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Twin....
Just for the record, bmibaby started CWL ops in October 2002 (hard though it may be to believe that).
BA announced the closure of their Cardiff base - including the CDG and BRU services - on 17 December 2002. All flights ended within weeks of that date.
BA announced the closure of their Cardiff base - including the CDG and BRU services - on 17 December 2002. All flights ended within weeks of that date.
I was involved in the redundancy and re-hiring at the time... And the news was public knowledge...... CDG and BRU did run longer as the J-41s went first, then the EMB-145s....
GOOGLE ain't pefect!!!!
According to the BBC, it was late MAY that Aviance announced closeure of it's Cardiff base due to BA pulling out, only to be 'saved' by BABY stepping in and choosing Aviance late in negotiations, ready for it's winter operation to commence....
---Just felt it needed to be said---
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Just for the record, the announcement of the closure of the BA Cardiff base was many months before December 17th.....
secured almost 50 jobs and ensured that handling agent, aviance now has a future at the Airport.
...delighted to welcome bmibaby to our operation at Cardiff Airport. Before securing the contract, it was our intention to withdraw operations at Cardiff and close the station, due to a severe downturn in business as a result of our main Customer, British Airways moving a large number of it's routes. This agreement now means that all 47 employees' jobs have been protected, and the future now looks bright, which is wonderful news for all concerned.
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AvianceUKs post is how I almost remember it myself but memories can be fooled. I do remember so well how it was imperative for us to woo Baby when they visited as we knew BA were leaving, that of course doesn't tie in with the news articles but then news articles are not renowned for their accuracy.
Anyhow that is the past and the future is more important.
Thomson does seem to be working well from an outsiders point of view but then again the fares are reasonable, I'm not saying we Welsh are cheapskates but we are more of a low cost type airport and with Bristol only an hours drive away offering many more cheap flights then the only way we can compete is to offer the same. Time and time again people say I would have liked to have flown from Cardiff but I got a cheaper flight from Bristol, that to me shows how an upmarket service is not what is required from CWL, but a greater range of flights at low fares. Business is tight this way and nobody in the accounts department will be able to justify the huge fares to Brussels when a cheaper alternative is just a short drive from here.
Anyhow that is the past and the future is more important.
Thomson does seem to be working well from an outsiders point of view but then again the fares are reasonable, I'm not saying we Welsh are cheapskates but we are more of a low cost type airport and with Bristol only an hours drive away offering many more cheap flights then the only way we can compete is to offer the same. Time and time again people say I would have liked to have flown from Cardiff but I got a cheaper flight from Bristol, that to me shows how an upmarket service is not what is required from CWL, but a greater range of flights at low fares. Business is tight this way and nobody in the accounts department will be able to justify the huge fares to Brussels when a cheaper alternative is just a short drive from here.
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but then news articles are not renowned for their accuracy
Be careful of assuming that Thomsonfly from CWL is a low cost airline. The Cardiff operation relies on selling off rump seats after the charter requirements have been met, so their pricing model tells us very little about the dynamics of the Cardiff market. Also, when you see their 767 departing for PMI, don't assume that aboard are 300 happy punters who would have flown baby/easyJet/A N Other Jet - most of them have bought Tui packages, and had no choice of carrier.
an upmarket service is not what is required from CWL
Cardiff does need more routes, and many of those routes need to be operated by low fares airlines. However, there is certainly room for premium carriers at Cardiff as well, provided that they are advertised properly and have sensible fare structures, and are run on the right size aircraft. IMHO, Eastern only got the last of these three things correct.
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Not wanting to harp on...... I was portraying the knowledge of all staff involved, not press releases. Common, therefore 'public' knowledge...
Anyway....
Question..
XL to SSH.. Why is it that they consistently have to leave bags behind on both the outbound and inbound??? 737 - 800... It's weight I take it, but due to a/c type? runway length ( SSH )? Why run a route when you must know this is going to happen??
There must be MANY unhappy pax due to this as it's every week!
Another note...
Heard that the new walkway to stands 12,13,14,15 will be open today???? Though heard of many opening dates!! Is it open yet??? I say 15... It will still need to be bussed, and yet it seems to be the freighters home, so no pax!!!
Anyway....
Question..
XL to SSH.. Why is it that they consistently have to leave bags behind on both the outbound and inbound??? 737 - 800... It's weight I take it, but due to a/c type? runway length ( SSH )? Why run a route when you must know this is going to happen??
There must be MANY unhappy pax due to this as it's every week!
Another note...
Heard that the new walkway to stands 12,13,14,15 will be open today???? Though heard of many opening dates!! Is it open yet??? I say 15... It will still need to be bussed, and yet it seems to be the freighters home, so no pax!!!
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Heard that the new walkway to stands 12,13,14,15 will be open today???? Though heard of many opening dates!! Is it open yet??? I say 15... It will still need to be bussed, and yet it seems to be the freighters home, so no pax!!!30th September 2006 22:40
Finnaly. Been opening for ages
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XL to SSH..
TOM through the winter have the wise idea of limiting the number of passengers they accept on the flight, XL it seems just wants their money anyway!
Pax certainl not happy when its the same ones who didnt get their bags on the way out, only to find they dont get them on the way back either! Less pushing of trollies i suppose
Heard that the new walkway to stands 12,13,14,15 will be open today???? Though heard of many opening dates!! Is it open yet??? I say 15... It will still need to be bussed, and yet it seems to be the freighters home, so no pax!!!
Moans and groan from inbound pax already, but boarding seemed to go ok, its hardly Heathrow after all! Will take the pressure of the bus guys too!
Cant imagine 350+ pax there if all 3 stands are in use early morning though!
Overall the Jury's still out on its success......
The next jobs seem to be starting, toilets in international pier have been covered and are to be moved to open out the pier, talk of the extension of check-in hall to start alot sooner than 2015, and extension of baggage/departures by stand 1 to hopefully start this winter!
Maybe soon it will be Heathrow!!
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Would be as VERY good addition,like you say fingers crossed.Is there news on any others.Such as turbo-prop operator for the domestic shorter routes?
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Where to start .... (on the rumours that is)
Air Southwest pulling out...
Air Southwest expanding...
Aer Arann basing A/c...
MyTravel basing x2 A320 and eventually winter base...
MyTravel basing A321...
Zoom long haul routes...
Sky Europe operating to Poland/eastern europe
Some more solid (but still) rumours...
Eastern pulling BRU
Baby's 4th a/c
TOM's 3rd
XL using 767 rather than 747 next summer
...Wonder if anything will actually happen with these...
Air Southwest pulling out...
Air Southwest expanding...
Aer Arann basing A/c...
MyTravel basing x2 A320 and eventually winter base...
MyTravel basing A321...
Zoom long haul routes...
Sky Europe operating to Poland/eastern europe
Some more solid (but still) rumours...
Eastern pulling BRU
Baby's 4th a/c
TOM's 3rd
XL using 767 rather than 747 next summer
...Wonder if anything will actually happen with these...
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Evening Flower 
Ah thats right theplanemanuk was on here before convinced about Continental.Thanks Caaardiff just seems to be a few smaller routes up for grabs but nothing solid happening.Usual story
Ah thats right theplanemanuk was on here before convinced about Continental.Thanks Caaardiff just seems to be a few smaller routes up for grabs but nothing solid happening.Usual story