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Looking at Ryanair's website they seem to have dropped the MME-DUB route to only 5x a week for the winter, running Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri, Sun at various times. Hope it's only for the winter and not a pointer towards what might happen 
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It does seem very odd to me to drop a Wednesday, i can understand a Saturday possibly being dropped (look at BMI and heathrow only having one rotation per sat compared to three the rest of the week and Eastern not flying to ABZ on a Sat) but i cant understand the Wednesday? Do North-easterners not go to the Emerald Isle on a Wed and vice versa?
I know there has been some discussion on threads about what Ryanair is going to do in the North-East and how them being at Ncl plus Aer Lingus also there affects MME's DUB route.
If you believe the Northern Echo article earlier this week (which i think some put down as spin and hype on those who support MME) you would think Ryanair are pointing towards an MME expansion - and it did come from the horses mouth so to speak (well someone in the know at Ryanair)
I know there has been some discussion on threads about what Ryanair is going to do in the North-East and how them being at Ncl plus Aer Lingus also there affects MME's DUB route.
If you believe the Northern Echo article earlier this week (which i think some put down as spin and hype on those who support MME) you would think Ryanair are pointing towards an MME expansion - and it did come from the horses mouth so to speak (well someone in the know at Ryanair)
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Yes, finally, took them a while to catch on! Seems the airport were in the lead this time, usually the other way around 
Nice to see Excel back yet again this week with a different B743, more £££ coming in
Nice to see Excel back yet again this week with a different B743, more £££ coming in
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To answer your question about the Alitalia MD11, it was an Italian military charter picking up troops who'd been on exercises in Northumberland. I believe that this is the one and only MD11 to have visited MME, unless someone can tell me differently. If I remember rightly there was also an Iberia A320 and a German Airforce A310 to pick up their troops from the same exercises.
To answer your question about the Alitalia MD11, it was an Italian military charter picking up troops who'd been on exercises in Northumberland. I believe that this is the one and only MD11 to have visited MME, unless someone can tell me differently. If I remember rightly there was also an Iberia A320 and a German Airforce A310 to pick up their troops from the same exercises.
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The Alitalia MD11 was indeed a troop charter, the other leg was done by a 767. The other aircraft that came were Iberia A320, Belgian AF A310, German AF (Luftwaffe) B707 + A310 along with some C130's and C160's
This is from the photographer of that particular photo!
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This is from the photographer of that particular photo!
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Shamrock there isn't a particularly big troop presence around Northumberland but there is the Otterburn ranges. Where most of the live firing of the AS90's and MLRS's takes place. The large concentration of troops in the North East is at Catterick where the majority if not all the infantry training takes place now, not only that but there are active units based there as well. It was and I think still maybe the largest army base in Europe, definatley the largest in the UK.
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Looks like a spot of good and bad news for the winter, bmi are doing 3x daily A319's, but KLM are sticking with 3x daily too, with F70's still rather than the 4x they were originally looking to go with.
The Excel B743 must be busy this week with the evacuations from Cyprus (ex Beirut) so Omni covered the troop run from Brize Norton - DTV - Gulf with DC10 N720AX
Should return tomorrow morning on the return 
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The Excel B743 must be busy this week with the evacuations from Cyprus (ex Beirut) so Omni covered the troop run from Brize Norton - DTV - Gulf with DC10 N720AX
Should return tomorrow morning on the return mmeteesside
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Thanks for that mmeteesside,.....
With the kids breaking up this week,will there be an increase in the charter programme?,.......is it me or are there a lot more flights to turkey this summer?...thanks in advance
holgate
With the kids breaking up this week,will there be an increase in the charter programme?,.......is it me or are there a lot more flights to turkey this summer?...thanks in advance
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Yes there is 2 new charter flights starting this week, the first Holidays4u flight to Dalaman departed this morning, yet another Onur A321, 3 of them on a Thursday now!
Goldtrail's Palma flight starts tomorrow morning, departing at 0225
I certainly wouldn't want to be on that, especially when it arrives back at 0125, using Air Europa, I imagine a B738
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Goldtrail's Palma flight starts tomorrow morning, departing at 0225
I certainly wouldn't want to be on that, especially when it arrives back at 0125, using Air Europa, I imagine a B738mmeteesside
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Well, looking through the Netherlands Slot Coordination site tonight, I found these beauties for the winter!!
MME-AMS
WW4423 a1330 -----6- B733
WW4423 a1755 ------7 B733
WW4424 d1355 -----6- B733
WW4424 d1835 ------7 B733
Could it expand in the summer?
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MME-AMS
WW4423 a1330 -----6- B733
WW4423 a1755 ------7 B733
WW4424 d1355 -----6- B733
WW4424 d1835 ------7 B733
Could it expand in the summer?
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good news as its more business for DTV but bad news on two fronts.
1) the effect it will have on KLM
2) the fact that it would be much better if they had tried another market/routing rather than going after one already established at DTV!!
1) the effect it will have on KLM
2) the fact that it would be much better if they had tried another market/routing rather than going after one already established at DTV!!
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I fear this has the potential to leave MME with NO weekend Amsterdam flights whatsoever:
KLM will loose non-business class pax to bmibaby, yet even with this bmibaby won't be able to fill a plane as there is not enough demand for 4x daily Amsterdam rotations from MME, if there was, KLM would have upgraded equipment on the route or launched the fourth daily flight themselves sooner than now. So, bmibaby cannot fill a plane and neither can KLM due to the loss of non-business class pax to bmibaby, therefore both bmibaby and KLM could cull their weekend Amsterdam rotations leaving MME with just weekday flights. If this did happen KLM would not be able to get the lost pax back either because the passengers they'd lost to bmibaby and the business passengers they lost themselves would be enjoying a too good experience up the road at NCL.
Perhaps I'm looking at the situation from the worst possible angle though?
KLM will loose non-business class pax to bmibaby, yet even with this bmibaby won't be able to fill a plane as there is not enough demand for 4x daily Amsterdam rotations from MME, if there was, KLM would have upgraded equipment on the route or launched the fourth daily flight themselves sooner than now. So, bmibaby cannot fill a plane and neither can KLM due to the loss of non-business class pax to bmibaby, therefore both bmibaby and KLM could cull their weekend Amsterdam rotations leaving MME with just weekday flights. If this did happen KLM would not be able to get the lost pax back either because the passengers they'd lost to bmibaby and the business passengers they lost themselves would be enjoying a too good experience up the road at NCL.
Perhaps I'm looking at the situation from the worst possible angle though?
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I agree with UKlad007...why can't WW have the guts to try a new but safe option out of MME?
For example:
PRG-already tried and apparently popular
Faro-according to DTV airport website there are no flights going there this summer which i find hard to believe given its popularity amongst golfers, families and second home owners
basically any typical stag weekend/bucket and spade destination that they already serve from another of their bases!
why oh why are WW insistant on trying routes such as Knock-it seems a waste of a slot and aircraft to me!!
For example:
PRG-already tried and apparently popular
Faro-according to DTV airport website there are no flights going there this summer which i find hard to believe given its popularity amongst golfers, families and second home owners
basically any typical stag weekend/bucket and spade destination that they already serve from another of their bases!
why oh why are WW insistant on trying routes such as Knock-it seems a waste of a slot and aircraft to me!!
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Which is exactly what they have found out, it was a complete waste, and the last Knock flight is 5th August. They surely could have worked out that with already 2 destinations in Ireland, why oh why did we need a 3rd one?? Cork wasn't too popular, but enough to keep going a few times a week, but to go and add Knock too was just plain stupid IMO 
Why could they not have added somewhere sensible, like split the Knock rotations between extra JER + a new destination such as BGO (popular out of NCL)
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Why could they not have added somewhere sensible, like split the Knock rotations between extra JER + a new destination such as BGO (popular out of NCL)
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what the bigwigs at WW need to realise fast is that only routes not served by either NCL or LBA but which have proved popular at other regional airports will prove popular!
im sorry but anyone could have realised that a daily to Knock would not attract 149 durham tees vallers every day!
on another note i must express my doubt with regards to the BRU route...if the BRS route proved unpopular on a 18 J32 why do eastern seem to think a 29 seater J41 will prove popular?surely theres not that many people in the Tees Valley area that wish to or need to travel to BRU (despite the chamber of commerce's optimistic soundbites!!!)
on a lighter note has anyone got any positive news with regards to any exisiting or possible new routes?
im sorry but anyone could have realised that a daily to Knock would not attract 149 durham tees vallers every day!
on another note i must express my doubt with regards to the BRU route...if the BRS route proved unpopular on a 18 J32 why do eastern seem to think a 29 seater J41 will prove popular?surely theres not that many people in the Tees Valley area that wish to or need to travel to BRU (despite the chamber of commerce's optimistic soundbites!!!)
on a lighter note has anyone got any positive news with regards to any exisiting or possible new routes?