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Old 8th Dec 2009, 17:30
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Carlisle and Southend (a match made ??????????)

Seasons greetings to all! Once again another decade end is in sight and little has happened at either end of the Stobbart Dream Machine. 'Express' before you have a go, at SEN indeed the station is making a late run progress and will provide another joining halt for locals who should have no fear of ever been outed by airline pax, not in the next ten years anyway?

I am sure we will be able to exchange the same greetin gs this time in 2010.
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Old 8th Dec 2009, 19:05
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Coventry, Carlisle

If coventry can't support an airport with their catchment area, how the hell can the stobart empire hope to make carlisle work. How many managers have tried in the last 10 years? the place has gone backwards.
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Old 9th Dec 2009, 07:47
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there's nothing stopping the runway going down is there ? if the stobart group are intent on making the airport work surely a runway is of most importance regardless of the warehouse . you need a surface to land planes on . Gordon browns decision to appeal has no direct effect on the development of the airport , it just effects the development of the warehouse . they are all sorts of things that could be set in place and improved airport side of the field in question . is it a case that the airport will be run down and delicence or a case that the stobart group has spread them selves a little thinly and have insufficient funds for the project ? or both ? as it sounds very suspicious to me .
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wildbillkelso

The point that you are missing is that the airfield on its own could not possibly be commercially viable.

It has to have an 'industrial' element to its activities and the new Stobart warehouse and HQ will form a vital element of that. No commercially savvy company is going to carry out the airfield improvements in isolation as the result of those improvements, on their own, would not produce sufficient financial returns.

I repeat my view that it is Mr Brown who is the sole cause of the delay in progress being made on the ground - although under UK planning law he obviously has the legal right to take the action that he has.
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Old 10th Dec 2009, 07:28
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well mr gordon ( i presume your mr gordon ) im aware that the airport needs the development to to sustain revenue and and subsidise the running of the airport side of business . it appears to me that mr gordon browns lease is up at the end of next year any way , so the development will be able to move forward regardless . its just a small time factor stalling the building development . my argument was why haven't they started other things air side of the proposed development field as its inevitable the warehouse development will go ahead or can go ahead as soon as gordon browns lease is up . 12 months isn't a long time and the runway could have been done thus not holding up the development any further . as the runway is part of the agreed planing consent . it would make good business sense to start the runway now while the airport is into its quiet period during the winter months and will have less of a negative impact on the running of the business . common sense really . regards wild bill .
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Old 10th Dec 2009, 09:13
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Wildbillkelso

With respect, you obviously have no idea how planning law works. The length of Mr Brown's lease has nothing whatever to do with his Court challenge. If he were to win a Judicial Review it would delay the project for as long as the Review took and the Court decision would then decide whether the scheme went ahead at all.

"i presume your mr gordon (sic)" What are you on about?
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i thought you may have been mr r gordon the former licence holder of the airport seen as you know so much about it . so would you say they would be a possibility that once the warehouse is up and the airport wasn't still breaking even or still losing money , that the shareholders could demand the airport be sold or gotten rid of wound up or what ever . and would you agree if that were the case that mr tinkler would be totally innocent from such a decision as the share holders would have demanded it and not tinkler privately . making the case the share holders could do the dirty work for andrew and his good reputable name wouldn't be soiled and no portion of blame put on the man at the top .

Andrew himself might not be to bothered now as he already made his personal fortune out the airport selling it in effect back to him self where he is the largest share holder . so a good profit made there . anything else is a bonus . its the share holders who will lose out know if the development doesn't go through . job done . i do apologize if i got your identity wrong you don't seem arrogant and rude enough to be the current airport manager by all accounts . regards wildbillkelso . still think there's a hidden agenda .
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well i can tell you mr andrew judge is as well liked and loved by the good people of cumbria as he was from his previous employees , if not more , the man has made such an impresion in only six weeks and is evident from the moment you first step through the ops room . GOD BLESS HIM
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Appeal court gives farmer consent to continue Carlisle airport legal fight

From the News & Star:

News & Star | News | Appeal court gives farmer consent to continue Carlisle airport legal fight
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Old 31st Jan 2010, 11:16
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carlisle airport

carlisle airport has just made 7 employees redundant , this doesn't sound like a business moving forwards . it sounds like a death by 1000 cuts for the place and clarifies that the warehouse is the only concern regarding the airport . the excuse given for the redundancies was the recession , i find this extremely hard to believe and just an excuse as the stobart group bought southend airport at the height of the recession . also according to the news we are now officially out of recession and the stobart group plans to start digging their warehouse project in march this year . so why would anyone lay off valuable needed staff other than to slowly kill the airport side of things . mr judge seems to have been put in place to finish the airport and wind it up as a business although he appears to take all of his orders from southend airport wome do want rid of carlisle as it is financially run from southend thus costing southend money .
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Redundencies

I heard it was 9?
1 ATC
Chief Fire Officer
2 Refuellers
2 Admin and 3 ops?

Kelso..you are right doesnt ring true..airport expanding?? Not like this its not.Hope all those locals who voted for an airport are ready for 24hr trucking!!
Similar happening at Teesside I think??
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Old 31st Jan 2010, 17:04
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Over here at Teesside whats happening is :
4 ATC to go as the Nightwatch is ending,
Fire Section outsourced
Opening hours changing from H24 to 0400-2200 (with flexibility)
Terminal Upgrading/Dividing

However Summer 10 and Winter 10/11 look a lot better than the previous year with newflights routes and operators

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Old 9th Feb 2010, 17:15
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Carlisle future

anyone got any updates??? its gone very quiet??
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 07:44
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I believe the two day Judicial Review of the planning consent takes place at the High Court on 20 April 2010, so I doubt that anything will happen until that is settled.
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Old 28th Feb 2010, 00:06
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Redundancy consultation ended yesterday allegedly and 6 positions (operations manager, chief fire officer, 2 firemen, 1 ops and 1 refueller - other people at risk were relocated within the business apparently) were told to go with immediate effect.... Fire category 1 in force from Monday, no more corporate movements by the looks of it.

Seems to be like a winding down of everyhting in either of 2 outcomes

1) work to start on the development as of 1st of march including runway by the summer allegedly, meaning they are restructuring with the pretense they will employ following the runway upgrade

or 2) this is the death knell for EGNC as an airport and the new structure have been taken in with another Stobart story.

Southend want rid simple as...

We shall see seeing as though the lease runs out 15 months from now for it to be an actual airport.... here comes the industrial estate the farmers expect.

On an additional note, apparently Mr Judge has past experience of 'restructuring' and getting rid of staff who are not 'yes men/women'

Professional henchman do you think?
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Old 1st Mar 2010, 08:00
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Stobarts Sells Inland Ports assets

Stobart Group announced this morning that they have sold part of their Inland Ports assets to Legal & General Assurance Pension Fund for 61m, giving a 20% return on their investment in those assets.
Importantly, they say that this will reduce their net debt to 45m thus making financing easier (i.e. cheaper) for the their planned SEN expansion.
It must also increase the likelihood of them going ahead with the CAX improvements I would have thought, although I haven't seen any specific reference to that so far.
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well the 1st march has come and gone, was there not supposed to be some work stared by that date?
I hear there is a new security requirement from later this year that requires high fences and patrols etc, might that make small airfields like Carlisle uneconomic?
A previous poster suggested no more corporate movements, did that happen or can we still hope to see the odd bizz jet?
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Old 17th Apr 2010, 13:18
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I remember Dan Air operating out of Carlisle ( Crosby on Eden).

I was there for a month in July / August 1970 doing my flying scholarship.
The Dan Air flights were such a low key affair that through much of the day there was nobody manning their offices.

I can remember that when their 'one' phone used to ring it would often be us air cadets that would answer it and we would do our best to assist with any enquiries.
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Old 17th Apr 2010, 17:16
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I remember Dan Air operating out of Carlisle
Yes, Wind Sock, I remember in the mid-1970s weekend flights by HS 748s from the Isle of Man. Scheduled for 40 minutes. Halcyon days.

What is the largest type of aircraft that could use Carlisle in its current circumstances? J41? ATR? Let 410?...
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Old 17th Apr 2010, 17:46
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If for examle EI regional wanted to operate a flight to Carlisle, could they? or is the airport closed to passenger traffic?
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